Alright, enough of my blabbering. I would appreciate any help with this project. It's due in 3 weeks.
P.S. i really look up to you guys(Frank) and you girls because without this forum and other ones, I don't know what i'd do about this circumcision thing.
I hope it's okay that I'm a teenager, and not a mom.
we moms bid you welcome (and i know frank does too!)
links everybody? i usually just come here when i need one- i always know y'all can hook me up.
good luck with your paper, suse
I think this site ,if I remember correctly, has anti-and pro.
http://mothersagainstcirc.org/ for more info you can go to links at the bottom of the homepage.
I hope these links help and way to go!!!
Heather proud mama to an INTACT daughter and son!!
And everyone is welcome...I'm not a mom either, (but I'm hopeful). YOu'll find this particular group to be very helpful for all things circ and intact related. Since you're intact, you'll need to know how to protect your penis from those evil doctors who will only want to cut part of it off. : We can help with that, too, if the time ever comes!
back on topic:
National Organization of Restoring Men...these are men trying to re-grow their foreskins, (sort-of), and who feel that they were violated/robbed/cheated...they have an interesting perspective about circ that most circ'd men just don't seem to have:
OH and you can ask frank about that, too...I think we all know the journey his penis has taken over the years LOL! He's very, uh, "frank" about his own experiences and his restoration journey. Also, my boyfriend is a restorer, so i could get you some info from him as well. He's willing to share and educate others.
this one www.circumstitions.com has all sorts of info, pictures, diagrams, etc....medical diagrams you could print and show to the class about anatomy/functions of the prepuce/foreskin/penis.
Free Circumcision Video From Intact of Canada
I would show this to the class if it were me presenting the paper...however you might want to ask your teacher in advance. I don't want you to get suspended or expelled for showing everyone such a graphic video. Although I think the abortion video they showed us in high school was way more graphic...I almost hurled when they took a close-up of the vacuum tube and you could see the baby's arm in it. You might want to just Download it, burn it to cd if you can, and show it to people...I guarantee that it will freak them out and they won't ever want to do that to their kids...
That's about all I have for now...PM me if you need/want any restoration info or if you need any help with your paper (like proof-reading, verb conjugation, etc...I'm an english freak!)
This is how i see you presenting your paper to the class:
That's how I am, anyway!:LOL
~Christy , mom to DD Sage (12-2003) and DS Isaac (04-2012) , wife to Josh .
I applaud you for what you are doing. I also want to warn you that you may be walking through a mine field. There are some very strong opinions on this subject and otherwise sane and rational people seem to lose it over this issue. If this paper is not critical, it may be O.K. If it is, you may want to reconsider. There is a very real possibility that it could affect your grades for the rest of the year. At the very least, I would feel the teacher out about how he/she feels about the issue. If the teacher feels the same as you do, it could be a home run for you or it could be a disaster.
That being said, your best source of information will be The Circumcision Information Resource Pages (www.cirp.org) where you will find a library of information. Be sure to stay away from any religious discussion. Be careful not to use any arguments that would be offensive or any words like "mutilation," etc. Carefully construct an outline to get your thoughts in order and to give equal weight to each area before you start to write the actual paper.
While I won't write the paper for you, I'll be happy to assist in the format, research and construction. Feel free to private message me here at Mothering.com for any assistance.
I also hope you will consider posting your paper here in the forum so we can all see the result.
Anyway, Eric, your parents should be proud of how they have raised you! Not only for keeping you intact, but for educating you on the issue, as well.
I would love to read the paper, too! I think we all would! Please post it, and let us know what grade you get on it!
And frank, since it's due in 3 weeks, I'm guessing he's only gonna have another month or so of school left after that...As long as Mr Eric has done well this far into the year, and he does well on his exams, he should be ok, even if she hates the paper...Most final exams now are given on anonymous, multi-choice bubble sheets. They don't associate an exam with a student, but with his/her SSN. Neat, huh? I think they do it that way in most schools now to eliminate the whole "my teacher failed me cuz she doesn't like me" argument/lawsuits.
~Christy , mom to DD Sage (12-2003) and DS Isaac (04-2012) , wife to Josh .
I post on some other boards and see otherwise sane people go absolutely nutz over this. There is the perception that it is a personal attack and that the reader intentionally harmed their own flesh and blood. You never know how it's going to be taken.
I'm glad it's done that way now. I had a problem like that. I have a very high IQ (That doesn't mean much) and my teachers knew it. They knew I also didn't apply myself to do my best and some didn't like that. I had one that really didn't like it. There was a serious blow-up in the principals office with me, my parents, the teacher and the principal. I won!
since everyone here likes to be well-educated i'll throw y'all a title to check out on the subject at the library, if you are interested:
'what happened to recess and why are our children struggling in kindergarten?' susan ohanian (i find it ironically amusing that it is published by mcgraw-hill, test-writers extrordinaire)
off my soapbox, suse (happy unschooling mom)
If you only have two pages, my recomendation is to not get sidetracked by all the tiny details about the arguments for and against and the history with anti - masturbation or the religious ritual... stay away from all of that stuff and instead choose a very narrow stance on a specific aspect that is not about parental choice. Totally bypass the information that parents use to make the decision because in two pages you can not present the full picture and you only further the concept that this decision belongs to parents.
I think your best bet is to chose an ethical question and simply point it out. You don't even really have to make a persuasive argument, you simply have to state the facts which already exist.
One example would be that the current laws in the USA which outlaw FGM are unconstitutional because they fail to provide equal protection for males. It is illegal to make laws which only protect or apply to certain people. There is no arguing this, it's simply a given and you just need to point it out. You don't need to try to disprove a UTI study and persuade anyone of anything, you can just state the constitutional facts and then you have made a persuasive argument for why male circumcision should be outlawed or the anti FGM laws need to be done away with.
Another example is that Doctors are acting outside their jurisdiction when they circumcise infants. The AAP encourages parents to take cultural and religious factors into consideration... what authority do they have to suggest that? Do they give us recomendations on Baptism and the prom? They are a governing board of physicians and they are acting as much outside their professional guidelines as a policeman who would offer a massage. Once again, you can make a persuasive argument by simply stating the situation as it stands and drawing the obvious conclusion.
I am not implying that you lack the ability to make a real argumet at other levels, I just think it is really elegant if you can make a case that is so perfectly wrapped up that you don't even need to make any argument.
Here is an example, and this is written as a report, not an essay- of another ethical issue: http://www.annals.org/issues/v135n10...200-00004.html
I think looking at this might inspire you to see how it can be done.
It presents the problem of physician's willingness to assist in executions (the death penalty). The problem is presented and perfectly resolved without ever questioning if there should be a death penalty at all. (usually people would get sidetracked into that argument) The author recognises that the death penalty is not the question, the author simply states how physicians and their clearly outlines rules, can not ethicly assist the state in this matter.
Just as medical ethics should exclude them from doing a lethal injection on behalf of the wishes of the state, they also are excluded from doing a unnecissary circumcision on behalf of the culture of the parents.
Doctors Opposing Circumcision has info on medical ethics:
The Sascatchewan memo has some potent ethical statemenets:
Margaret Sommerville has also made some great ethical points:
I would also like to see what you write when you are all done.
I also thought that you might like to read this little article about what parents should teach their children about intactivism. I am very proud of you for your desire to take a stand, but I am a bit confused about why you would feel embarassed to let your parents know. I think they would be very happy to know that you were so happy that they had protected you from that.
There is also a group called Students for Genital Integrity, I think it's aimed more towards college students, but maybe you would like to contact them, they might have some support for your more within your own peer group.
The more I read about this subject the more angry I get.I really do not understand WHY female genitalia is protected,and the male one is not.I know all *parts* have there purpose,but it seems to me that the foreskin has more importance than a females labia. I have read of that labia removal cosmetic surgery(labia getting in the way during intercourse for some),so when are we going to start cutting little girls(like boys) to prevent possible future labia-largeness problems?
I am taking an ethic class this summer(required for nursing pre-req).I have considered discussing genital mutilation of the sexes.
The type of bill you would most have a chance getting passed would be one to stop Medicaid funding. This is because there have already been bills passed in 11 state legislatures. I haven't heard of any outcry in any of those states so the chances of getting something passed are good.
You will need to identify the legislative committee in your state legislature that would orignate such a bill. You may be able to get the information from the state's website or it may take a few phone calls.
State legislatures only meet a few months each year. You need to time your campaign to start just a few weeks before the legislative session starts. There's power in numbers so get as many people as possible to help you. You can start with e-mails and letters and move on to phone calls and personal visits. You need to contact all of the committee members and the representatives who represent your district. Have the people helping you do the same.
When crafting written corespondence, make it short but concise. Long letters don't get read. You can help those who are helping you by providing an outline of the message to be communicated. Don't write a letter that they can sign their names to and send as is. Form letters don't get much attention after the first one.
You will need to keep up with the bill while it is in committee and support it through out it's journey from the committee to the govenor's desk.
You may want to contact organizations such as NOCIRC, NORM and NOHARRM to see if they have anyone in your area doing the same thing or you may be able to recruit from their membership to help with your effort.
RIC. You may wonder what that is. It’s what happens to a baby boy every 26 seconds in the U.S. It’s cruel, unnecessary, and damaging not only to one’s physical, but also emotional and mental feelings. It only occurs routinely in the U.S., and 3500 baby boys are subjected to it every day. It’s called Routine Infant Circumcision, or RIC for short.
I’m very against RIC, because it’s unnecessary and harmful and there is no medically necessary reason to do it. Facts from NOHARMM, NOCIRC, and other organizations will be presented later on in this report. I believe you should agree with me and the mom’s and dad’s out there who are choosing not to circumcise their baby boys, because it is not medically justified, the infant has no say in the matter, sensitive tissue is cut away, and great amounts of sexual pleasure both for the woman and the man are cut away.
The opposing view is the pro-circs. They believe it is necessary to circumcise because of medical reasons. The UTI report was dismissed as a myth, and so were the other STD reports that intact men have a greater risk of contracting STD’s than circumcised men. All of them are simply not true. I don’t believe you should take this point of view because it is sick, mean, painful, irreversible, and just plain wrong. Would you circumcise your daughter? Absolutely not! So why should anyone circumcise their sons? The answer is they shouldn’t.
A lot of Americans believe circumcision is necessary for medical or hygienic reasons. That is simply not true. No medical agencies like the AAP, recommend RIC. There is no medically justified reason for RIC. None. The common myth is that a cut penis is easier to clean but that is not the case. All you have to do to clean an intact penis is just like washing your arms or face, just run water over it, you don’t even need soap. It’s basically self-cleaning. The circumcised penis for up to three weeks following the procedure requires constant attention, and the open wound can burn the boy every time he urinates, especially when he’s in a diaper. Some parents choose to circumcise so that it won’t be required when their son is older. But, that’s a contradiction in terms. Circumcise so you don’t have to circumcise when you’re older. 1 in 500 circumcisions result in a serious complication. 1 in 7,000 babies die from RIC. Un-reported numbers of babies have actually had their entire penises removed. It’s more common than you think.
Some parents think that circumcision would be in the best interest of their sons. Yes parents are supposed to do what they believe is right, but not when it involves one of the most personal and private parts of a human’s body. This is one of the main reasons I’m against RIC. The little baby is being strapped down to a circumstraint, and all he can do is cry and scream in terror, and more often than not, the baby goes into shock. That’s why people say, “well he won’t feel any pain, he has antiseptic, babies don’t feel pain,” and they are far from the truth. Babies feel more pain. The antiseptic usually takes an hour or longer to kick in and by then the doctor has already started slicing part of him off. I believe that RIC should not be performed on helpless babies because they have no say in the matter, and I can guarantee you that they wouldn’t want a very pleasurable part of them cut away.
This last paragraph is for female circumcision and male circumcision. Why does everyone freak when they’ve heard that a girl has been circumcised. Why don’t you freak when you subject your baby boys to a barbaric and un-needed procedure. I agree with most everyone that female circumcision is wrong. Very wrong. So is male circumcision. A man was recently arrested for circumcising his daughter a couple weeks ago in Atlanta, Georgia . His wife reported him to police and now he’s currently in jail. But why aren’t the doctors who are doing this to little boys every day, locked up? Female circumcision is against the law in the United States, but male isn’t. Something’s wrong here, and that’s that our baby boys are being tortured every day, while a lot of people think that it’s okay, but they think female circumcision is horrifying. Like I said earlier, if you won’t circumcise your daughter, then why circumcise your son.
It's not totally finished and i need help correcting it before she reads the final draft, and last night on instant messenger, my ex-girlfriend form 8th grade, asked me what my project was and i told her. she thought circumcision was necessary to allow boys to pee. i gave her some quick info and i'm 100% sure i can make her anti-circ. i feel that this will be the first person i convince.
Thanx very much,
1) second to last para. you mean anesthetic not antiseptic
2) try to avoid slang like "freak" - try to use more formal English like "Why is it so disturbing for people to hear about female circumcision"
3) spell out any abbreviations the first time you use them - don't assume your reader knows what AAP, STD, etc. mean.
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"The Case Against Circumcision."
Mothering explores why circumcision is hardly ever necessary, and how parents can empower themselves to avoid ceding to the "claims" of the billion-dollar-a-year circumcision industry.
"America" is not the only place where infants are routinely circumcised. South Korea is actually the circumcision capital of the world. The procedure was unheard of in South Korea before the Korean War (thanks "America").
I don't know if you've already done your paper or not, but you could mention that the 1960's in "America" was the first time the western world had ever seen a majority population of circumcised men. Politically, America changed into something drastically different than what it had been.
Also, the modern world is a cauldron of war. And, in all of the wars, at least one of the warring populations is circumcised (usually, they both are). It's no coincidence.
Circumcision amputates the male G-Spot. This results in profound psychological issues for the man.
Good luck and you should be worshiping the ground you parents walk on for not doing you.
It's long but you may find an idea or two there. Summing up your points may be difficult and I hope you are making progress with the paper.
My teacher for no apparent reason decided to cancel the project for all the classes and we had to write about school lunches for our WASL tests, which counted as our persuasive paper. I'm pissed, but i think i'll still write the paper cuz a girl in my class wants to read it. Hopefully next year i'll get an oppurtunity to write about ric. This really sucks.
I want to thank everyone for helping me though, I really appreciate it. Everyone keep up the good work, and together eventually we can bring an end to this barbaric practice.
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