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#61 of 67 Old 07-06-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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Interesting story, Dave! Makes one think that maybe some doctors collect foreskins in a similar manner to some tribes who (historically) collected scalps!

There is no doubt that many have an obsession about cutting foreskins off, and in cases where there is an issue (no matter how minor), they rarely offer the more benign, alternative solution that preserves the foreskin. Obviously, intact guys need to be well educated, as you proved, in order to keep that valuable organ. Bizarre !!
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There do seem to be stories out there (or maybe one story posted multiple times) about military doctors having a jar of foreskins in formaldehyde sitting on their desks. (Never been my experience, thankfully!)

In my own experiences, I'm not sure if my doctors had "an obsession about cutting foreskin off" as it was a combination of two strands of non-critical, non-skeptical thinking: 1) if there's a problem with "A", it goes away if "A" goes away and 2) there's no reason to think ahead to the step after next.

"Doc, it hurts when I move my arm like this!" "Well, then don't move your arm like this!" There is a sort of brutal simplicity to answering a complaint about the foreskin with the recommendation to remove the foreskin - after all, if your foreskin is irritated, you wouldn't have the irritation without the foreskin. You don't even need to have a particularly dim view of the foreskin to see this view as internally consistent.

Looking back at my previous comment, I think I might have oversold my story. The doctors didn't look at me and immediately demand that I let them circumcise me; circumcision was offered up an elegant solution which would obviate the need for me to even worry about my foreskin again. I think the docs got snippy (ha!) when I didn't immediately acknowledge the superior logic of their comments, regardless of whether I was up for considering circumcision. And in the second case, I think some of the doc's annoyance might have been due to a complete lack of bedside manner. I was still recovering from an infection and the side effects of the antibiotics which killed off the infection, so I wasn't exactly firing on all cylinders. I've been told I can present as a bit of a "dumb jock" in those sorts of situations, and I probably lived up to that, since most of the small talk we made was sparked by us recognizing each other from the gym and how I found lifting to be a great stress reliever. I don't think he appreciated how a quiet, amiable, not-quite-all-there guy suddenly got real focused when he started talking about circumcision.
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There do seem to be stories out there (or maybe one story posted multiple times) about military doctors having a jar of foreskins in formaldehyde sitting on their desks. (Never been my experience, thankfully!)

In my own experiences, I'm not sure if my doctors had "an obsession about cutting foreskin off" as it was a combination of two strands of non-critical, non-skeptical thinking: 1) if there's a problem with "A", it goes away if "A" goes away and 2) there's no reason to think ahead to the step after next.

"Doc, it hurts when I move my arm like this!" "Well, then don't move your arm like this!" There is a sort of brutal simplicity to answering a complaint about the foreskin with the recommendation to remove the foreskin - after all, if your foreskin is irritated, you wouldn't have the irritation without the foreskin. You don't even need to have a particularly dim view of the foreskin to see this view as internally consistent.

Looking back at my previous comment, I think I might have oversold my story. The doctors didn't look at me and immediately demand that I let them circumcise me; circumcision was offered up an elegant solution which would obviate the need for me to even worry about my foreskin again. I think the docs got snippy (ha!) when I didn't immediately acknowledge the superior logic of their comments, regardless of whether I was up for considering circumcision. And in the second case, I think some of the doc's annoyance might have been due to a complete lack of bedside manner. I was still recovering from an infection and the side effects of the antibiotics which killed off the infection, so I wasn't exactly firing on all cylinders. I've been told I can present as a bit of a "dumb jock" in those sorts of situations, and I probably lived up to that, since most of the small talk we made was sparked by us recognizing each other from the gym and how I found lifting to be a great stress reliever. I don't think he appreciated how a quiet, amiable, not-quite-all-there guy suddenly got real focused when he started talking about circumcision.
I'm wondering if mass circumcision during WWII was a way to bring penis uniformity to the world in support of Jewish men?
I was also a medic in the USAF back in day and assisted with vasectomies. I saw a mix of circled and intact men. Unfortunately I was also the one to strap the wee baby boys to the restraint and assist with circs. No boy of mine will ever be subjected to this horror.
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I'm wondering if mass circumcision during WWII was a way to bring penis uniformity to the world in support of Jewish men?
I was also a medic in the USAF back in day and assisted with vasectomies. I saw a mix of circled and intact men. Unfortunately I was also the one to strap the wee baby boys to the restraint and assist with circs. No boy of mine will ever be subjected to this horror.
I'm not sure about circumcising in support of the Jews - from what I understand, the U.S. was quite guarded and had quotas on how many jewish "refugees" they would allow in. I think it had more to do with ignorance of normal male anatomy and a carry over of the medical profession's historic insistence that foreskins put a man at risk for all kinds of issues (cancer of the penis was a big one then), so that if you rid the soldier of his foreskin you obviated one health risk that could put him out of action.

That must have been very difficult for you to have to assist with circumcising the babies. Kudos to you for never doing it to your own - I wish more people had that level of compassion and common sense.
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I think circumcision is a way for surgeon trainees to get some practice, pure and simple.
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I think circumcision is a way for surgeon trainees to get some practice, pure and simple.
I'm not sure if it's really applicable to circumcision, but this lines up with what I've been told by some special operations guys about vasectomies: they were encouraged to have it done "in the field" by their medical support staff instead of at their home post so that the medical support staff could have the experience of performing the surgery. (Of course, vasectomies were only pitched to those who already had kids were in a stable marriage, etc.)
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In the book from 1977, Labor and Delivery by Constance Bean, the author matter of factly recounts seeing all the little boys lined up on those boards that hold them down; the trainees would go in and circumcise all the little boys - most who were not even a day old. That is what the vitamin K shot is for. The mothers just hoped that they would not hear the baby scream.

Those little boys are now in their late 30s, and probably decided to circumcise their own sons.

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