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Old 04-02-2007, 03:22 AM - Thread Starter
 
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I am not talking about us. I'm talking about a society (American society, regretfully) that wants to cut on innocent boys. Whether they are newborn and can't consent or 7 years old and actually beg not to get circ'd and yet parents still do it. Seriously...no one should be looking at a boy's genitals in a sexual way until he is old enough to decide for himself whether he wants his penis cut. Why do parents feel a responsibility to make him "pretty down there"? Who the heck cares?

THat being said...why not leave the darn thing alone? Why cause an innocent person pain for something that doesn't really matter for at least 15 or so years (more or less, but I'm taking a stab at an average age of onset for sexual activity). Why not let HIM decide for himself?

I am convinced that the only reason any American boy is circ'd (other than religious) is cosmetic. Health/cleanliness are b.s. excuses that parents have to believe in order to validate their desire to change the appearance of their sons' penis. If it didn't cause a cosmetic change, parents wouldn't be so quick to do it. Appendectomy reduces the chance of death from appendicitis, but parents aren't (and can't) getting elective appendectomies on newborns.

I'm sorry to vent, but I am tired of it all. I wish these people would just leave their children's genitals alone!
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I know. I don't get it. I just don't get it.
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I don't think most parents do it for cosmetic reasons. I think that is just as much of an excuse as hygene or health. I think it has much more to do with huge needs to go along with the status quo. Men are in denial that their penises might not be "all that." Mothers and GMs can't admit that they had their babies tortured for no good reason. I think there is even a touch of victorian/puritanical need to reduce/punish sexuallity. If it were really being done for cosmetic reasons 10 minutes looking at classical sculpture would have ended the practice.

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I have an acquaintance that had a girl last year. Good thing, because if the baby was male they were going to circ. The thing is, the mother was againest it. The father said he was putting his foot down on this on because he did not want his boy to be ridiculed in school when it would be discovered he was different. When the reasons for why to not circ were pointed out, the dad's response was a scoffingly; "it didn't cause me any damage". This seems to be a blanket response for carrying on bad practices in the face of reason regardless of what the practice is. How to change this mind set seems to be the real mystery.
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I had never even realized that circumcision was an issue until a few years ago when it came up several times.. one was my aunts and their friends (all nurses) bitching about it, saying how they refused to attend one, how barbaric it was and how parents should be attending it with their child if they're going to be awful enough to have it done. This was in Canada.. and in the US some classmates were going on and on about how ugly and gross uncirc'd men were.
I had never actually had any experience with uncircumcised men and until then had thought that it was only a religious thing for certain cultures :

My one friend who isvery passionate ABOUT circumcision is sold on the cleanliness issue. She thinks that if you don't circumcise then you're stuck with a disgusting penis that has to be cleaned up with qtips every day. Her husband is all about the cosmetics and makes fun of other family members (yes, little boys) mercilessly... and proudly declares how his son would never be made fun of in a locker room for having foreskin. WTF? This is so so so so messed up to me I can't believe it!
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They sound like one very sick, child-genitalia-obsessed family. I pity their children, especially if the kid's mother is manipulating his penis and rubbing it hard enough whilst cleaning to give him erections (or imagining that others do that - that is a disturbed mind at work) If the father makes fun of other family members about their genitals he's very quickly going to get a reputation as being weird and not-very-nice.

Well he would over here anyway. I can't imagine an adult making fun of a child's genitals, cut or not, it's just creepy and sick.

If I were you, I'd keep your little boy well away from such a perverted bunch for his own safety and self esteem.
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I can't imagine an adult making fun of a child's genitals, cut or not, it's just creepy and sick.

If I were you, I'd keep your little boy well away from such a perverted bunch for his own safety and self esteem.
ITA. It leads me to suspect that man suffered his own ridicule/abuse and is continuing the cycle based on his own lack of self-worth.


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Men are in denial that their penises might not be "all that." Mothers and GMs can't admit that they had their babies tortured for no good reason. I think there is even a touch of victorian/puritanical need to reduce/punish sexuallity.
I think you are right. I was a bit narrowly focused when I wrote the OP last night. If society was less "penis obsessed", then men might be more willing to admit that something was taken from them and perhaps less children would be similarly robbed.

I am sorry that I don't have any solutions. RIC just angers me to no end.
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I bet in non circumcising countries penis are only a subject for intimacy purposes!

In USA, when we don't circumcise our son's we go we have to tell right away we did not circumcise to prevent doctors & family members to retract. We have to tell them the type of penis our kids have then it's like when ppl circ we are fighting to stop them from circing their kids because kids get raped , sexually assaulted as a baby! It's not fair for them.

I had told my cousin I hate this one parentall right that i can surgical modified my son penis when there is nothing wrong with it at anytime I wanted too. If I had made my statement like that oh maybe she would have saved her 2nd son.

It's quite frustrating indeed that circumcised boys get sexually assaulted & disassembled -short circuit #five when he had disassembled 3 robots cooger made to make them sound like three stooges -now that was a better part of disassembly but the #5 robot how crazy of common stuff of how a robot wasn't supposed to have feelings , was not alive and was just a machine . They were thinking it was going to go crazy & attack so they decided to go & explode it up! Damage it good! So for in ways #5 could be consider foreskin hypothetically because he was being something that was 'assumed not right because ppl could not understand a robot really having feelings then we could make the same comparsion of robot not beliving of having feelings to ppl beliving that babies don't have feelings during circumcision etc that doctors do things with no care of what others really think because cooger didn't care what the robot thought , one of the other guy(can't remember his name) had to be taught to belive that it was possible that robot could have feelings especially when the robot laughed he had to continously be taught ), one lady belived right away that #5 had feelings . So lets say Cooger & his gang cheered after they blew up #5! It's like how doctors are cheering for getting extra money because boys foreskins are on the market always in usa .
I found the term in my mom anti-aging wrinkle cream that she's wearing foreskin on her face I told her that melanocyte is foreskin she was no way no way ! I go research it ! I wonder why ppl are afraid to learn to protect integrity of men!
Poor boys get variation of damage from circumcision anyone know if their is any impotency drug in non-circing countries ? Poor women get to suffer in pain depending on the type of their partner circumcision and poor women get to feel at the blame when it's their circumcision that is making it painful .

Poor intact boys end up get sexually assaulted by doctors forcibly retracting the foreskin some obsession of need to see the glan's! Sad Sad.
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Actually it's rather amusing, they've had to make Viagra an over the counter medicine over here (or at least they were talking about it) because they aren't getting enough sales..... LOL.
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