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Old 09-02-2007, 05:44 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I just shared this elsewhere...

Great link with mouse-over drawings of human embryo development:
Child Physiology: How the body works: Development
To get started, click on "Genitals".

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A Shared Start:
  • Until the 7th week of development, the genitals of boys and girls look the same.
  • The "indifferent genitals" have a phallus, labioscrotal swellings, urogenital folds, and a urogenital membrane.

Genital Formation:
  • Androgens (hormones) from the testes make the genitals look like a boy's.
  • Without androgens, the indifferent genitals turn into those of a girl.

Move the buttons along the slider bars under each set of genitals to compare male and female genital development.

Shared Parts:
  • Because they start out the same, boys' and girls' genitals have related parts including:
penis (glans)...clitoris (glans)
scrotum...labia majora
penis around urethra...labia minora

Roll the mouse over the picture to see the names of these other parts.
Note: One of the shared parts is a structure called the "prepuce".

Male prepuce=Foreskin.
Female prepuce=Clitoral hood.


The foreskin protects the glans penis, the clitoral hood protects the glans clitoris.

Thus, the male and female prepuce are analogous structures.

What does this mean?

It means that the most common form of female genital mutilation/cutting, sunna circumcision, which removes the clitoral hood is the same as male foreskin amputation.

What does this mean?

It means that it's illogical support routine infant circumcision as a parental choice if you condemn all forms of FGM.

Either genital integrity is a birthright, or it's not. Either parental rights supercede the rights of children to whole, healthy, fully functioning bodies or they don't. This is the crux of the issue. It's what makes circumcision is a human rights issue.

Does culture really justify irreversibly harming non-consenting children? Where should the line be drawn, if not at a practice which, quite literally, skins genitals?

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Old 09-02-2007, 06:12 PM
 
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I completely agree. It makes no sense at all.
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This is great information.

I'm sending it to my Congressman.
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I first saw that page a few years ago. Still good info!

http://www.sickkids.ca/childphysiolo...ypospadias.htm

This is another section on hypospadias.

Noah (almost 6) was just looking at this page with me- on the male genital development- drawings inside the body. He says "I have that..." and then retracts his foreskin about half way (as far as it will go), then imitates the Yahoo Messenger Audible "Gimme Some Skin!" (under the "Hellos" section) where this guy has no skin on his body.
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then imitates the Yahoo Messenger Audible "Gimme Some Skin!" (under the "Hellos" section) where this guy has no skin on his body.
That is so FUNNY!!!
My kids love that emoticon when I IM!

Okay, I shouldn't say I'm going to send this to my Congressman. Instead, I should DO IT first. Then I'll come back to say, "Just sent it to my Congressman!". That way I don't jinks myself and not ever do it. This is one of my pet peeves.

I need to understand something first:

I thought the scrotum is the same thing as the ovaries. Am I right about this or what?
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Pro-circ advocates hate when this argument is made. It's really no-brainer but they twist themselves to make the two seem like "apples" and "oranges" when really, they're "oranges" and "tangerines".
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The testes andthe ovaires are both gonads, and derive from the same structures in the fetus.

The scrotum (the sack) and the labia majoria both derive from the same structure in the fetus.

Then the testes decend into the scrotum (usually).

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gotcha!

Thanks.
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I first saw that page a few years ago. Still good info!

http://www.sickkids.ca/childphysiolo...ypospadias.htm

This is another section on hypospadias.

Noah (almost 6) was just looking at this page with me- on the male genital development- drawings inside the body. He says "I have that..." and then retracts his foreskin about half way (as far as it will go), then imitates the Yahoo Messenger Audible "Gimme Some Skin!" (under the "Hellos" section) where this guy has no skin on his body.
I wish the first link would show the foreskin just like this one does.
When I first looked at it (first link) I thought, "The penis looks circumcised."
Its still good information tho.
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Definately a good link... but people are brainwashed in to thinking it is healthier, so to them it doesn't matter because they are helping their baby. They dont connect emotional, psychological, or pleasure/functional problems because they didn't have them. They dont connect rights violations because they are doing what is "best" for their kid... and if he gets circed later, he would remember the pain, so experiencing it as a baby isn't as important (and since they didnt have emotional problems, dont think the pain from not having a choice is that bad). Them doing what they think the child would want is tainted by their personal experience and insecurities.

Arguing the developmental similarities can be helpful, but should just be added to the list of arguments to use. I would think for most people, clearing up the medical benefits is the first step, then you can go in to the rest.

All that said though, thanks for the link, im sure it will be helpful.
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Another useful resource:

http://noharmm.org/femcirctech.htm
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Must sent this to a friend who tried to tell me that circing there son was no where near as bad as ' what they do to those girls in Africa' :irk

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That site is so cool!
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