Frank- put away your violin... I said nothing of the sort! I agree that losing your sex organ is a tragedy... if it was necessary... and if it was not- then it was criminal assault. I never once made light of what happened to that man (at that point I had not even read the story) my post was ONLY directed toward the very callous and disrespectful remarks you had made about the sex organs of women.
In fact, you seemed hesitant to even recognize the uterus as the sex organ of a woman, and seened to have a very vagina-centric idea of what makes a woman an woman.
I said there is no need to make comparitve judgements of people's body parts or the assumed value those parts have to the owner or loser of said parts.
You asserted that the fact that past lovers had experienced multiple orgasms after having lost their uterus was proof that the loss of a uterus was not something that should be considered as a grave loss.
You reduced the femenine sexuality and self worth and physical integrity to A: the ability to have orgasms and B. "Satisfy" (whatever THAT means) a man.
You seem to have taken a stance that HUMAN loss at the handsof an arrogant medical system could not be a shared appreciation for those of us reading this thread, but that any mention of losses that women suffer at a greater and DELIBERATE frequency was an attempt to undermine the loss of the man, or to undermine the effect you had desired to produce in the idea that the only callous disregard of the medical world is directed at MEN, when the truth is, women ALSO suffer and acknowlidging this does noot diminish your point one bit.
But apparently this is a battle of the boys against the girls? I woud prefer it to be a battle of the people who value physical integrity against the people who disrespect it.
You statements about women's sex organs were disrespectful.
I told you that I found that attitude toward my body to be highly offensive. My sexuality is much more than orgasms or a wet hole. Even the fact that I have a scar on my uterus which was made by the LIFESAVING knife of a surgeon bothers me... I have never seen my uterus, I have never seen the scar... and without the surgery I would have bled to death and my child would have starved of oxygen deprivation trapped inside my uterus by our placenta which was blocking the exit... even having had that experience and knowing it was necessary and absolutely appropriate surgery- I still am not happy about having my body cut into with a knife, or the idea of the scars inside me and on the outside as well. I could not lose my uterus without experiencing a profound loss. Both physical and emotional.
Who are you to say whose loss is worse?
That man- he lost his penis is a terrible medical mistake. He had cancer, the doctor thought he was dying. the doctor was wrong, he made a mistake, he also made a really really horrible criminal call to go ahead and do the extensive surgery on the patient without doing the testing or the counselling. it was a HORRID violation of that man's body... but when the doctor cut off his penis, I am sure the doctor KNEW that he was cutting off a treasured, valueable, important to that man's body and self esteem. I am sure the doctor felt positivly sick over "having" to do it... and only did do it because of the belief that the man would otherwise DIE.
On the other hand- millions of women lose their uterus every year because people *like you* do not think it is really a part of a woman's sexuality, or an important part of her body. They think like you do, that her uterus represents only a bloody inconvience of contraception, or some post menaupasal baggage, and that without it, both she and her now childfearfree f-mate can have all the hormone replacement pregnant horse urine farm sex they want... multiple orgasms and all.
What you said was insulting. I told you why.
That tragedy happened to ONE sixty eight year old man... ONE THIRD of his female peers are without their UTERUS... not because they had cancer... not because their doctor thought that they were in a life or death situation, not because of a failure to communicate the possibility of what might happen in surgery... but because the vast majority of those doctors, like you, do not value that part of a woman's body.
What happened to that man was a horrible tragedy... but it is not a HABIT. Routine hysterectomies on women is a HABIT, and disrespecting the wholeness of a woman, just as disrespecting the wholness of an infant boy, is wrong. The difference is that the adult women SHOULD have the ability to protect themselves... but they put faith in doctors who do not respect them or know better.
Your point was that we should not place all our faith unquestioning in our doctors was it not? How does the scandal of the millions of unnecessary hysterectomies cancel your point?
One third of sixty year old women are not missing their uterus because someone goofed... and they are not missing their uterus because someone believed they had terminal cancer. And their loss is not for you to place on a value scale.http://www.circle-of-life.net/unnece...rectomies.html
I'm just saying that you might want to re-evaluate your opinions about women's sex organs if you want to truly grasp the spirit of what genital integrity is all about.