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Old 10-27-2003, 05:15 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I have a dear friend who is a mother of 6 children, 3 girls, 3 boys. All of her boys are circumcised, but she is really considering leaving her next child, due in May, intact. She is the most concerned about poop getting under her son's foreskin when/if he is retractable but still wearing dipes. I told her it will most likely not retract until he is out of dipes, so this will be a non-issue. She is still concerned.

So, what is the deal? I, coming from a position of not circing no matter what, just take it as read that I will not have this problem with my boy, and if I ever did, a soak in the tub would suffice. I also told her that I didn't sew my daughter's vaginas shut so no poop would get in there, but trust that any poop that does get in will be cleansed by the nautral action of the mucous membranes inside the vagina, and the foreskin is the same in its cleansing ablities. She really wants to have this resolved. So... You guys are the intact experts, can ya help? Either agree with me, point to some links that back me up, or tell me I am all wrong : :LOL

PS She really would like to be convinced

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The only thing I can tell ya, is I have 2 boys, both intact, ages 9 and 5 and neither one has ever had any problems at all. Good Luck
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My first thought was what you said: baby girl vaginas have a much bigger opening and sit in feces in a diaper and they don't have a problem. A tight fitting foreskin will keep poop out and the natural flushing of urine will flush out anything at the tip.

Good for her though for considering leaving boy #4 intact!

What is that website for caring for the intact penis? Don't retract, no soap, when it naturally retracts, etc. I have visions of your friend washing the tip of her intact boy with antiseptic wipes......yikes!

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The tight foreskin, which is to be left alone, never to be retracted by anyone other than the child, serves the purpose to keep the head of the penis clean, free of bacteria, germs, dirt and poop. That is its main function.

Once the foreskin retracts, and I repeat, it should never be retracted by anyone other than the child, but once it does, then it can be gently retracted and cleaned underneath.
Chances are the child, if left alone, will not retract till he is about 5 or older and well out of diapers.
Even then it does not need to be retracted to clean underneath, until he is a teenager at which time he will clean it all by himself and without instructions. Trust me! LOL

Again, coming back to the child in diapers, the foreskin should be left alone. It will get very tight and the opening in front might get so small that you will only see a pin hole. It is big enough for the child to urinate, and small enough to keep everything else out.

My 6 yr. old grandson, who retracted himself by the time he was 5, never had any problems with poop under the foreskin.
If there was any at all, the sterile urine would have more than likely flushed it out.


Intact care....

http://www.cirp.org/library/normal/aap/
http://www.geocities.com/raisingintactsons

Caring for intact penis - no retraction

http://www.cirp.org/library/hygiene/camille1/
http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/care/
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No, there is no reason to worry about that. The foreskin is closed at the tip (at least for most boys) and that keeps poop and dirt out. That's one of the foreskin's functions. Here are a bunch of links to give her if she needs more of a reason to keep him intact:




Procedure,
http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/methods.html
http://www.intact.ca/video.html

General info,
http://www.mothering.com/10-0-0/html...cision85.shtml
http://www.circumcision.org/info.htm
http://www.noharmm.org/separated.htm
http://www.mensjournal.com/healthFit...cumcision.html
http://www.udonet.com/circumcision/ilearned.html

MGMvsFGM,
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/intro/mgmfgm.html
http://www.noharmm.org/comparison.htm
http://www.circumstitions.com/FGMvsMGM.html
http://www.circumstitions.com/Develop.html

Rates,
http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/bollinger2001/
http://www.courtchallenge.com/refs/rate1m.html
http://www.icgi.org/Downloads/normal...ircumcised.htm

Medical communities,
http://www.nocircnc/medicalstatements.htm
http://www.circumcision.org/studies.htm
http://www.intact.ca/saskmemo.html
http://www.icigi.org/Downloads/FullDisclosure.pdf

Risks and Complications,
http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/complications.html
http://www.nocirc.org/consent/form.html
http://www.infocirc.org/uti2.htm

Breastfeeding,
http://www.nocirc.org/statements/bre...ement2002.html

Cancer,
http://www.cirp.org/library/statemen...s/1996-02_ACS/

Personal experiences,
http://circumcisionquotes.com/menumen.html
http://www.circumcision.org/mothers.htm

IntactvsCirced penis care,
http://www.nocirc.org/publish/4pam.pdf
http://www.nocirc.org/publish/5pam.pdf
http://www.tornwing.com/peacefulbegi...ysgenitals.htm

Hygiene&problems
http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/vanhowe/

News articles,
http://www.cirp.org/news/

Pain,
http://www.circumcison.org/response.htm
http://www.infocirc.org/babypain.htm

Sexual side effects,
http://www.boystoo.com/medical/conversion.htm
http://www.reserach/cirp.org/
http://www.noem.org/lost.html

The Royal Australasian College of Physicians 2002 Position Statement. Routine Circumcision of Normal Male Infants and Boys - Summary Statement.
http://199.88.87.143/position/racp2002.htm

The American Academy of Family Physicians 2002 Statement. Position Statement on Neonatal Circumcision.
http://www.nocirc.org/position/aafp2002.html

The American Academy of Pediatrics states: "Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/aap1999.htm

The American Cancer Society, states in a letter to the AAP: "We would like to discourage the American Academy of Pediatrics from promoting routine circumcision as a preventive measure for penile or cervical cancer... Perpetuating the mistaken belief that circumcision prevents cancer is inappropriate."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/acs.html

The American Medical Association:
http://www.nocirc.org/position/ama2000.html

The Australasian Association of Paediatric Surgeons states, "It is considered to be inappropriate and unnecessary as a routine to remove the prepuce, based on the current evidence available."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/aaps.html

The Australian College of Paediatrics, citing the Australasian Association of Paediatric Surgeons, states: "Routine male circumcision should not be performed prior to 6 months of age." In addition, it considers that, "neonatal male circumcision has no medical indication. It is a traumatic procedure, performed without anaesthesia to remove a normal functional and protective prepuce."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/acp.html


The British Medical Association Guidelines advise "The BMA opposes unnecessarily invasive procedures being used where alternative, less invasive techniques, are equally efficient and available."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/bma.html

The Canadian Paediatric Society recommends: "Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/cps.html


For more go to: http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/
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Phoebe:

You are right on all counts. The foreskin is bonded to the glans just like a fingernail is bonded to the nail bed. Just like you can get dirt under the fingernail, dirt can get into the very tip of the foreskin and just like the fingernails will come clean in the bath tub, the foreskin will too. If a little poop does get into the end, he won't die and his penis won't rot and fall off. If the urine doesn't flush it out, a soak in the tub will effectively take care of it.

Think about South American Indians, North American Indians. Eskimos, African bush tribes, pacific Islanders, Aborigines and many other native populations who have no medical nowledge and no medical access and their men live to ripe old ages with their foreskin intact with no problems. How is that? It's because nature or God designed a self maintaining and trouble free organ for reporoduction. Otherwise, the human species would be extinct.




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I usually post on the vaccination forum, but I looked in here out of the interest.
I am from Europe and in Europe circumcision is only performed for medical purposes, when young boys/men have real problems.
I don't understand this routine circumcision, what the heck?

I can assure you, all European men have been in nappies at some point in their lives and I have never heard of a thing like poo getting inside penis! That's what the foreskin is for, to protect it!

Let's keep our and our children's bodies the way God designed them!
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colaga - Good Point(s) !!
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