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Like the title says... and we were chatting about life and her due date (Jan 25). So I asked her about breastfeeding( shes going to give it a shot, but if it doesnt happen oh well), and birthing metheod (drugs as soon as she arrives at the hospital, cause she aint nobodys hero, and doesnt need to prove anything to anyone! )
And then I took a deep breath and asked about circumsicion and she is planning to circ . When I asked her reasons it was because it was cleaner. So I asked if she was open to changing her mind because I had some info I would like to send her. And she said yes (phew!) So I got her address and my sister is going to find some articles and print them for me because my printer is out of ink. So Im hoping my cousin really does look into the issue. Im going to send her some links to this board as well. And Im going to look into getting a book from Chapters. Ill have to use my daughters gift cetificate, but Im sure she wont mind .
I figure Circumsicion first.
Then hopefully I can convince her to stick with breastfeeding, and gentle discipline and hopefully vaccination(but that would probally be pushing my luck) Im soo worked up over this. Im really surprised at her outlook. She is such a nice person, and is such a lover of animals I thought this wouldnt be an issue.

Please keep your fingers crossed for this baby!
If your still reading..THANKS I needed to let it out
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The fact that your cousin has an open mind is a good start.
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That's great that she's willing to view the information. Maybe you could include a CD with some of the circ videos on it?

Here are a few good things to print:
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/intro/mgmfgm.html

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9712/23/ci...on.anesthetic/

http://www.mothering.com/10-0-0/html...cision85.shtml

http://www.infocirc.org/MensHlth.htm

http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/

Good luck!
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I don't know whether this would backfire or not, but if she's an animal lover, ask her whether she would circ a dog or a cat. If it's normal on animals, it's normal on people (because we too are animals after all).

Maybe she would have a Of course, now I get it! moment, or maybe not....

Anyway, for books I definitely recommend the Paul Fleiss What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Circumcision and the Fleiss article, which you can get a good printout of here . The Mothering website version doesn't print up well.

Although there is so much out there I guess I'm of the mind that if you send her too much stuff she may get overwhelmed, shut down, and not read it.

Good luck, and good for you for trying to help her baby!

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Yes its really great that she is open to hearing the other side
I would never have thought of burning a CD AnneMarie, thats brilliant!
Thanks Jane, Iam going to mention that pespective to her. I bet any money it will help since she can relate to that sheaths are for protection. Thank you soo much!

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Mention tail docking, ear cropping, and declawing too.

You could also put some websites on CD so you don't have to have them all printed.

Here are some good videos:

http://www.intact.ca/video.html

http://circumcisionquotes.com/video.html

If you don't have a high speed connection and it would take too long to download them send me a PM.

Here are a lot of great links you might want to pick from to save to CD:



Procedure,
http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/methods.html
http://www.intact.ca/video.html

General info,
http://www.mothering.com/10-0-0/html...cision85.shtml
http://www.circumcision.org/info.htm
http://www.noharmm.org/separated.htm
http://www.mensjournal.com/healthFit...cumcision.html
http://www.udonet.com/circumcision/ilearned.html

MGM vs FGM,
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/intro/mgmfgm.html
http://www.noharmm.org/comparison.htm
http://www.circumstitions.com/FGMvsMGM.html
http://www.circumstitions.com/Develop.html

Rates,
http://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/bollinger2001/
http://www.courtchallenge.com/refs/rate1m.html
http://www.icgi.org/Downloads/normal...ircumcised.htm

Medical communities,
http://www.nocircnc/medicalstatements.htm
http://www.circumcision.org/studies.htm
http://www.intact.ca/saskmemo.html
http://www.icigi.org/Downloads/FullDisclosure.pdf

Risks and Complications,
http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/complications.html
http://www.nocirc.org/consent/form.html
http://www.infocirc.org/uti2.htm

Breastfeeding,
http://www.nocirc.org/statements/bre...ement2002.html

Cancer,
http://www.cirp.org/library/statemen...s/1996-02_ACS/

Personal experiences,
http://circumcisionquotes.com/menumen.html
http://www.circumcision.org/mothers.htm

Intact vs Circed penis care,
http://www.nocirc.org/publish/4pam.pdf
http://www.nocirc.org/publish/5pam.pdf
http://www.tornwing.com/peacefulbegi...ysgenitals.htm

Hygiene & problems
http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/vanhowe/

News articles,
http://www.cirp.org/news/

Pain,
http://www.circumcison.org/response.htm
http://www.infocirc.org/babypain.htm

Sexual side effects,
http://www.boystoo.com/medical/conversion.htm
http://www.reserach/cirp.org/
http://www.noem.org/lost.html

The Royal Australasian College of Physicians 2002 Position Statement. Routine Circumcision of Normal Male Infants and Boys - Summary Statement.
http://199.88.87.143/position/racp2002.htm

The American Academy of Family Physicians 2002 Statement. Position Statement on Neonatal Circumcision.
http://www.nocirc.org/position/aafp2002.html

The American Academy of Pediatrics states: "Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/aap1999.htm

The American Cancer Society, states in a letter to the AAP: "We would like to discourage the American Academy of Pediatrics from promoting routine circumcision as a preventive measure for penile or cervical cancer... Perpetuating the mistaken belief that circumcision prevents cancer is inappropriate."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/acs.html

The American Medical Association:
http://www.nocirc.org/position/ama2000.html

The Australasian Association of Paediatric Surgeons states, "It is considered to be inappropriate and unnecessary as a routine to remove the prepuce, based on the current evidence available."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/aaps.html

The Australian College of Paediatrics, citing the Australasian Association of Paediatric Surgeons, states: "Routine male circumcision should not be performed prior to 6 months of age." In addition, it considers that, "neonatal male circumcision has no medical indication. It is a traumatic procedure, performed without anaesthesia to remove a normal functional and protective prepuce."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/acp.html


The British Medical Association Guidelines advise "The BMA opposes unnecessarily invasive procedures being used where alternative, less invasive techniques, are equally efficient and available."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/bma.html

The Canadian Paediatric Society recommends: "Circumcision of newborns should not be routinely performed."
http://www.nocirc.org/position/cps.html


For more go to: http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/
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Originally posted by AnnMarie Mention tail docking, ear cropping, and declawing too.
Excellent point! And the thing they all have in common with circ is that these are strictly aesthetic procedures that take away functional parts the animals need so that the animals conform to some artificial human standard of beauty.....usually done without anesthesia.

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Even With Anesthesia, how does the subject relate if it isn't adequate?

And do we administer anesthetic AFTERWards?
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Annemarie- that is one honkin huge list! .
Ill be using my sisters computer. Im pretty sure its got enough guts.
Thanks.
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She had him circ'ed
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