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This is from my blog, but I'm not supposed to link directly to it (oops).  I hope the links within the post are okay, if not please let me know and I will remove them, but they are valuable.  I have also removed a few reasons because they may also violate MDC's policies (they're hard to keep track of).

 

 

 

50 Reasons to Leave It Alone

 

Your son's penis, that is.

 

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I know, talking about baby penises seems like a strange choice for a blog post.  I used to think that penises came in two varieties, circumcised and uncircumcised....but education is a powerful thing.  Now, I know that they only come in one style - Natural - and we, as parents, choose to alter what God or Nature or Evolution or The Great Spaghetti Monster created.


Why am I calling "uncircumcised" penises "natural"?  Most of the "intactivist" culture uses the word "Intact", which is also accurate, but really, an uncircumcised penis is exactly that - natural.  Just like women without breast implants have "natural" boobs, or a person has their "natural" nose before a nose job.   It's the way nature made it - therefore, a natural penis.  Does that mean a circumcised penis is unnatural?  Yep, it does.  

I do want to note that I'm not anti-circumcision.  If an adult man wants to modify his body, that is his choice and I support it - just as I would support a woman who wanted labiaplasty, or anyone who wanted to stretch their earlobes or tattoo their body.  I am opposed to the routine circumcision of infants for non-medical reasons.


So, here are 50 reasons to leave your son's penis alone and not let a doctor cut it up.


1.) It's his.

2.) I've never met a man who wanted "less" penis when he was old enough to care.  Men tend to like their penises just the way they are.

3.) You can change your mind.  It's not possible to "un-circumcise", although there are men who have chosen to restore their foreskin later in life.  If you're not sure, don't decide at all.   It's a non-decision.  smile.gif

4.) There is no medical reason to do it routinely.

5.) Circumcision isn't the majority for newborns anymore.  According to the New York Times, the infant circumcision rate is down to 32%.  That means 68% of your son's locker room will likely have natural penises.  If you circumcise, he will probably ask you why he's different from his buddies.

6.) Natural penises are easier to take care of during the diaper-changing years.  Just wipe it like a finger.  No retracting, no mess or fuss.

7.) You wouldn't cut your baby girl's genitals.  In fact, it's illegal - even a "nick" is illegal.  Male circumcision is a lot more involved than a nick!

8.) Many doctors and nurses refuse to perform the procedure because it violates the Hippocratic Oath - First, Do No Harm.

9.) It hurts.  A lot.  Really.  Don't believe me?  Watch a video.  With the sound up, please.  If you can't watch the whole thing, can you really ask your newborn to go through it?

10.) Babies can't be properly anesthetized.  An older child or adult would be given anesthesia and strong pain medication after any kind of operation, especially one on their genitals.  Babies can't have proper pain medication.

11.) Did you know?  Infant circumcision rates are less than 10% in the following counties: England, France, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Canada, Mexico, all of South and Central America, Japan, China, Russia, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Greece, Taiwan, Vietnam, India, Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Australia and more.

Infant circumcision rates are higher than 10% in the following countries: USA, Israel, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon,  Yemen, Qatar, Turkey, Jordan, Philippines, Indonesia, Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad, Republic of Congo, Eritrea, and Kenya. 

12.) Men with natural penises are less likely to experience Erectile Dysfunction as they age.  Translation - your son will be less likely to need Viagra when he's 55.

13.) Female sexual partners of men with natural penises are more likely to achieve orgasm during sexual intercourse.  They are also less likely to need lubricant.

14.) There are over 20,000 nerve endings in the foreskin.  That's more than in the female clitoris.

15.) The foreskin protects the head of the penis.


16.) The foreskin provides lubrication during sexual intercourse.  Men with natural penises are less likely to use lubrication during sex or masturbation (hey, THAT's why my brothers were always stealing my conditioner!!)

17.) No major medical organization on earth recommends routine circumcision of infants.

18.) It's easy to clean when he's older.  Shower.   Besides, by the time his foreskin is retractable, (average age, 10.4 years old), you will no longer be cleaning his penis.  I hope.

19.) Circumcision does not prevent AIDS, or any other STD. Condoms do.  Having sex with one, monogamous partner and avoiding IV drug use prevents AIDS.  Why would you assume your baby's going to be a man-whore anyway?

20.) We don't chop off ears to prevent ear infections.  We don't remove baby toenails to prevent fungal infections.  We don't cut off legs anymore when a wound becomes infected.  In the very unlikely event your son does develop an infection, we have antibiotics. 

21.) Circumcision in the US began as a method to discourage masturbation, advocated by Kellogg, the cereal magnate, who also believed in the importance of daily cold enemas.  Really - true story!! He stressed that circumcision should be done without anesthesia so boys would remember the pain every time they wanted to masturbate.   How'd that work out?

22.)  Natural penises only "look funny" to you if they are unfamiliar to you.  Your son's generation will see them as normal.

23.) Women produce far more smegma than men, but we don't cut off their baby girl labia to keep things "clean."

24.) Your son will respect you for leaving the decision up to him, and for respecting his right to genital integrity.

25.) Complications of circumcision are NOT rare. Check out this thread on Babycenter.com (a mommy board, not a circumcision website) to read their stories.  LINK REMOVED PER MDC GUIDELINES

26.) Most hospital circumcisions are performed by Obstetricians and Gynecologists, whose specialty is female reproduction, not male.

27.) Circumcision is not usually performed in a sterile operating room, but in a dirty nursery, a doctor's office, or a side room in hospitals without nurseries.

28.) Circumcision makes money for doctors.  A doctor who performs circumcisions makes an extra $20,000-160,000 per year on the operations.  That's why they offer circumcision at hospitals - for cash.  They'll ask you if you want your son circumcised multiple times at the hospital: they want the money.

29.) Less than 1% of intact men will never "need" to be circumcised, just as the vast majority of women will never need a hysterectomy or mastectomy.

30.) Penile cancer causes 300 deaths a year, almost exclusively in men over the age of 70.  Infant circumcision causes over 500 deaths a year worldwide.  Circumcision does not prevent penile cancer.

31.) Babies with natural penises are more likely to breastfeed successfully.  Infant circumcision interferes with breastfeeding and hinders breastfeeding success.  Isn't breastfeeding hard enough?

32.) Fathers don't spend time comparing penises with their sons.  If your son does notice that his penis is different from Dad's (other than size and hair), you can simply explain that Daddy had an operation when he was a baby.  My dad lost half of his ring finger in an accident, but I was never bothered by having all of my fingers.

33.) Your grandfather (or great-grandfather) probably wasn't circumcised, unless you are of ******* descent.  It's a relatively new thing in the USA.

34.) Most circumcised penises have scars.  If you've ever seen a circumcised penis, you have probably seen circumcision scars and didn't know what they were.  Curious?  Click here for pictures (adult eyes please).

35.) When erect, natural penises don't look very different from circumcised ones (LINK REMOVED PER MDC GUIDELINES)

36.) Babies have died following complications of circumcision.

37.) Babies have had the glans (head) of their penis accidentally amputated during circumcision.

38.) Female circumcision was legal in the United States until 1985.  It was practiced in the USA as recently as the 1979 to prevent masturbation.

39.) Your health insurance may not cover the procedure.  Medicaid does not cover it in 16 states, and many major insurance companies also do not reimburse for the surgery, since it is cosmetic.  If your insurance doesn't cover it, it probably also does not cover any complications.

40.) Babies are strapped down on a circumstraint to have the procedure done.  That is the most unnatural, terrifying position for a baby, who previously was all curled up and safe inside Mama's body.

41.)  If you believe in evolution, why are men born with foreskins?  If you believe in God, why did he give men foreskins?  Did they screw up?

42.) ABOUT RELIGION, REMOVED PER MDC GUIDELINES

43.) ABOUT RELIGION, REMOVED PER MDC GUIDELINES

44.) ABOUT RELIGION, REMOVED PER MDC GUIDELINES

45.) The foreskin is fused to the head of an infant's penis, just like your fingernail is fused to your finger.  Have you ever pulled back your fingernail all the way?  Owwwwwwwwwwwww.

46.) Circumcision makes penises smaller.  Who wants a smaller penis?

47.) "My partner should make the decision, he has a penis/she looks at penises" is a dumb reason to abdicate responsibility for a decision.  You are your baby's parent, penis or not, and you have a responsibility to protect your child from harm.  Victims of FGM (aka female circumcision) are the most vocal supporters and perpetrators of the abuse.  Call on your inner Mama or Papa-bear and stand up for your baby's rights.  Make your partner watch a video with the sound on and convince YOU why they want this done to their precious child.

48.) You have seen an uncircumcised penis, and you probably didn't even notice.  Take a look at these (safe for kids) pictures!


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49.) He'll be in good company.  Check out this (in my opinion, mouth-watering) gallery of famous intact men!  From Elvis, James Dean, Will Smith, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jude Law and sooo many others.


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 Jensen Ackles, my personal favorite.



50.) It's his.  I know, I said it already. but it's really the first and last reason - and perhaps the only one you really need.  It's his body, and unless medically necessary, it should be his choice.  You wouldn't give him a nose job without his permission, you wouldn't tattoo your infant.  This is the same thing.  If you really look at your motives, why would you want to take the risks?  Leave the decision where it belongs - in your son's hands.

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This is GREAT!  Can you pm me a link to your blog?  I'd like to link to it on facebook...


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This is fantastic! Could you please PM me the link too. smile.gif


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Likewise, I would love the link! Thank you!!

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me five! pm me the link please!

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I think I can post it in response to a question, so here it is!

 

http://9davids.blogspot.com/2010/11/50-reasons-to-leave-it-alone.html

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I'm very new to this whole intactivist thing (ds is just 6 months) and still generally working up the courage to say anything about circ. Had a great conversation today with a new friend who's 2 boys are also intact, which was great! It made me feel good just hearing the same things I was thinking from a friend irl. Then I came across this and LOVED how it was written. Not so much accusing, but not leaving much room for argument. It was so good that I posted a link to it in facebook. My hands are actually shaking because I am positively allergic to conflict, lol! I felt like it is not as in people's faces, but a good way to just pass along info just in case it helps someone else out. I'm still so nervous about posting such a firmly held personal belief, especially since I'm sure many of my friends (especially in the midwest) will have differing views. The nice thing is, you cover everything (love the hottie pics!), so I don't have to add anything. Thanks for sharing!!


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I was just telling my husband about some of the guys on the list of intact celebrities and he thinks we should write a funny anti-circ song like Adam Sandler's Hanukkah song! orngbiggrin.gif

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I was just telling my husband about some of the guys on the list of intact celebrities and he thinks we should write a funny anti-circ song like Adam Sandler's Hanukkah song! orngbiggrin.gif



Haha!  That would be so cool!

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Just posted on my FB. Wish I would have posted something like this before two of my friends had their baby boys. I know it isn't my fault (I sent them some info on it) but I feel like I should have done more to help those little boys.


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great blog post, I'm going to post it on my facebook as well


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This is great. I particularly like #27. I already knew this, but it is a very GOOD point. As are the rest.

 

This one: "29.) Less than 1% of intact men will never "need" to be circumcised, just as the vast majority of women will never need a hysterectomy or mastectomy." needs to be rephrased to say "Less than 1% of intact men will ever "need".....  As it is, it says that only 1% of intact men will stay that way. Not trying to be nit picky it just really changes the meaning and could sway someone......

 

 

Otherwise, this is a very very very informative piece. EVERY expectant parent should have to read this. Or at the very least be given a copy of it. Keep up the good work. :)


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This is great. I particularly like #27. I already knew this, but it is a very GOOD point. As are the rest.

 

This one: "29.) Less than 1% of intact men will never "need" to be circumcised, just as the vast majority of women will never need a hysterectomy or mastectomy." needs to be rephrased to say "Less than 1% of intact men will ever "need".....  As it is, it says that only 1% of intact men will stay that way. Not trying to be nit picky it just really changes the meaning and could sway someone......

 

 

Otherwise, this is a very very very informative piece. EVERY expectant parent should have to read this. Or at the very least be given a copy of it. Keep up the good work. :)


Yeah, I noticed the typo on #29 and fixed it on the blog.  Way to type too fast! 

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22.)  Natural penises only "look funny" to you if they are unfamiliar to you.  Your son's generation will see them as normal.

 

For a lot of people, it's totally normal ;-D Not only for the generation of my 6 yo son.

 

 

Thanx for listing this 50 reasons again circumcision. I will forward the link to my best friend and therefor awake an old strike ;-D

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Yeah, that! Plus, not everyone who sees an intact penis for the first time after a lifetime of exposure to circed ones thinks it "looks funny"...the first time I saw an intact penis I was like "Oh, that's what it's SUPPOSED to be like"...the overall "design" just made so much more sense to me than the circed penises I'd dealt with up until then!
 

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22.)  Natural penises only "look funny" to you if they are unfamiliar to you.  Your son's generation will see them as normal.

 

For a lot of people, it's totally normal ;-D Not only for the generation of my 6 yo son.

 

 

 



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I'm very new to this whole intactivist thing (ds is just 6 months) and still generally working up the courage to say anything about circ. Had a great conversation today with a new friend who's 2 boys are also intact, which was great! It made me feel good just hearing the same things I was thinking from a friend irl. Then I came across this and LOVED how it was written. Not so much accusing, but not leaving much room for argument. It was so good that I posted a link to it in facebook. My hands are actually shaking because I am positively allergic to conflict, lol! I felt like it is not as in people's faces, but a good way to just pass along info just in case it helps someone else out. I'm still so nervous about posting such a firmly held personal belief, especially since I'm sure many of my friends (especially in the midwest) will have differing views. The nice thing is, you cover everything (love the hottie pics!), so I don't have to add anything. Thanks for sharing!!

i dont even have a son but i am soooooooooo anti-circ! bes trong mama you've got a great start!

 

posted on my facebook as well! (i can imagine the hell i will get from SIL who circ'ed my nephew! and her best friend who is going to circ her 3 y/o for repeat UTIs....i dont really know her at all so not too much i can do there.."
 


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#41 is good enough for me :)

 

These boys can't ALL be defective at birth.

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Posted the link on my facebook! My friends and family already know I have "strange" strong views, so I doubt I'll get crap from anyone!



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Shared this on my fb, too - thanks for the article - fantastic reasons to go along with my own personal "Why bother with something that's natural?"


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Bumping!


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