Penn & Teller debunking circ -- anyone got any info on this? (Update: it's true!) - Mothering Forums
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I have just heard a rumor that among the topics Penn & Teller will be covering in the next season of their "Bullsh*t!" program is CIRCUMCISION

This is a popular mainstream program on Showtime. Big exposure here.

I'm searching for more information on it but haven't found any yet, if you have something more concrete than this, please do share!
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I found two things:

Here is a link to the schedule. It’s showing starting April 25, 26, 29 and May 6. NOI

http://www.sho.com/site/schedules/pr...6&seriesid=134


http://mrkurlychek.blogspot.com/2004...k_archive.html

“After the show was over I congratulated Penn on his recent wedding and asked him about the subjects for the forthcoming season of Bullshit. He told me that a circumcision show was going to be one of the highlights.”


Do we have any idea of what Penn's stance is? This could be a feather in our cap or it could be just a bunch of junk.




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I *think* Penn Jillette is intact. I could be pulling that out of my butt though.
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I've watched several of the shows, and from what I've seen, I highly doubt it will be pro-circ I hope I'm right. This could be a very good thing.
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They are skeptical libertarian atheists. There's no way they'll be pro-circ. I just don't see how. Please somebody tape it pleeeeeeease please PLEASE because I don't have cable!
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I don't have Showtime, either. But season 1 and 2 of P and T are for sale, so apparently season 3 (which this is) will be for sale at a later date, as well. If it's good, we could buy copies!

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I have never seen that show, but I like them.

I could totally see them using comedy to show the stupidity of circumcision.
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Quoting the Showtime website:

"No matter how popular a form of bullsh*t is - and regardless of what deep pockets or beloved figures support it - Penn & Teller are pit bulls for the truth, poised to tear down these myths in the most jaw-dropping fashion possible with their trademark wit and off-center comic sensibilities."


Sounds like this could be really good!

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I can't believe that I just cancelled Showtime!
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They are intactivists, according to their webmistress:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...&lp=1112406984
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Well aren't you clever just to go ask!

YAY!
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This is such great news. They have such wide exposure. I go to another site, a place where self proclaimed "skeptics" reside, and several months ago there was a thread where the same old myths kept getting brought up. You'd think skeptics would actually DO research. Hopefully, with Penn and Teller doing a show on it, it will open their eyes.
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OO, I want to see it!

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I used to really enjoy that show when we had Showtime. I'm sad I won't be able to see it, but I will certainly be getting the DVD when it comes out. This should be good.
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Originally Posted by girlndocs
They are intactivists, according to their webmistress:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...&lp=1112406984
I'm so glad you asked (and can't WAIT to see that episode-especially with DH who loves P&T but isn's so supportive of our/my decision to not circ our baby)

ANYWAY-the last post on that thread is this:

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I hope P&T read this before deciding to "debunk" the idea that male circumcision has no real health benefits. Male circumcision substantially decreases the chances of infecting female partners with HPV (by about 60%), which is responsible for the majority of cervical cancer cases. It saves women's lives, as well as decreases the male's chances of becoming infected.


http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/journals/3421602b.html

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...ct/346/15/1105

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...54/ai_n8705007

The fact that this study was published in the New England Journal of Medicine means it has passed peer review.

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Can someone "debunk" that post please???
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milk-fairy--i was just thinking the same thing.

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I posted but it hasn't shown up yet. I debunked.
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I look forward to this new season. Although I didn't agree with everything they talked about in the last season it's an interesting show. I'm very interested to see what they say about this too.

I never really did like them in the past, however, this show is very good sometimes, and crappy other times. Laugh.
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I wrote one of my "books" and posted it. It didn't show up yet because it has to go through the moderator first. We'll see if it shows up.



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Well someone else already posted a nice, concise rebuttal I hope you guys' posts show up.
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I saw the posts on penn and tellers site from users here and they are great
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I just got finished reading the whole thread at
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thre...5&lp=1112406984
I must respond to the comment that activists against circumcision are using unfounded arguements, specifically concerning sexual damage.
I think I read a statement that Marilyn Milos wrote about this. Can anyone help me find it?
I don't have TV but would love to see this episode. Hope I can get it.
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Ann:

The poster you are talking about, Jake WW, is Jake Waskett. He is a gay English man who is a circumcision fetishist. He is a member and leader in all of the circumcision fetish groups such as The Acorn Society, The Gilgal Society and Circlist. He is very well versed and well known on most of the circumcision debate boards for the troubles he causes. The best case scenario is that that will be his only post there. The worst case is that he tries to destroy the thread. If you have to ask for help, you are going to a gunfight with a water pistol. The only way to defeat him is to verbally tie him in knots.




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Jake?



*sigh*

S'funny how deeply in denial he is. Also interesting that he persists in mentioning the Bleustein study which didn't test the foreskin!!!

I haven't posted on the Penn & Teller thread, but if anyone feels like taking him on, PM me - I'll send you what you need.

Really, it doesn't get much simpler than this though:


LOST NERVES = LOST SENSATION


(which he's unable to refute)



Of all the circum-fetishists I know of, he is possibly the most obsessed with convincing parents to cut on their babies. Sick sick sick..... :Puke
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That is awesome!
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Jake?
Also interesting that he persists in mentioning the Bleustein study which didn't test the foreskin!!!
Hmmm

Anyway, looks like someone else stepped up to the plate to respond to Jake.

I'm not up for a long debate here. I'll stick to talking to pregnant friends for a while.

I brought up my thoughts about keeping boys intact with a gay man I know well and the subject was dropped faster than a hot potato. What's with that? I guess I'll have to ask him.
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Looks like Circ is going to be on on April 25th. (Double check...that's from memory.) There is a blurb in the newest TV Guide re: the episode, too.
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who can I convince to tape this for me? I have a pg client who may actually watch this but not sure I can wait till it comes out on DVD.
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I can not wait to see this!
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I'll Tivo it & if I can figure out how to copy it I'll gladly send it out for cost to anyone who "needs" it. I absolutley love this show, even though I've disagreed with them on occasion. It's so funny. I just can't wait!!!!! Can't wait!!!!!
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