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#121 of 175 Old 11-11-2006, 04:53 PM
 
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Wow!
All I want to say is that I have a huge amount of respect for the person who started this thread and to all the responders who are helping her with this information. It just makes my day when intelligent informative debates take place that help the 'helpless' i.e. newborn baby boys. I just wish more expecting moms would consider this kind of research. It is so incredible.

Thanks for sharing this with me.. You ladies Rock!
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im just so scared that it will have to be done later in life. like when he is a teen or something and that will be very embarassing for him. or that we won't know how to care for it. i saw a picture of a intact penis that had the foreskin fused to the head of a adult with text from the owner of the penis saying how horrible sex was, and how he wished he was circed when he was little. it's stuff like that that worries me.
I hope you can take all the time and energy you could spend worrying about something that has less than 1% chance of happening and use this as a valuable learning lesson.

Like anything in parenting, if you don't know....you can learn. You can easily get information to help you teach your son how maintain a healthy penis for life.

But more than all of this...I hope you have realized that just because something is culturally acceptable, doesn't mean it is okay. It is good to question things that are done in our culture. Afterall, if a doctor suggested that because the rates of breast cancer are so high, you might want to remove your daughters breasts....you would likely get another opinion, do your own research, find some answers that make sense to you and your child. It's good to seek more information on any topic....especially ones that have such long lasting effects.

Just because it is accepted in our culture, doesn't make it okay. IT'S NOT OKAY....and the only way we are going to change this thinking is for more people to stand up and say we aren't going to tolerate this kind of mutilation anymore. We do not accept it and want it to stop.

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I just want to commend all the posters in this thread for being respectful and giving the OP some fantastic info without being mean about it. Awesome!
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im just so scared that it will have to be done later in life. like when he is a teen or something and that will be very embarassing for him.
You really shouldn't let this scare you. As many others have pointed out, the chances are equal that a circ will cause a second circ later on. I know, mine was re-done at age 6.

Sure it wasn't fun, but it wasn't the exquisite torture many men make it out to be. I swear, men are really the biggest drama queens, lol. The memory of the temporary pain didn't stay with me, but the effects of the circ. did. Twice cut = twice the complications. Furthermore, I later learned that the re-circ was the cause of yet another "procedure" I had to go through for meatol stenosis.

Being immersed in the backward thinking of the pro-circ culture of the midwest, I believed for the longest time it was all necessary because I had a defective penis. It wasn't until I was in my 30's that I put the pieces of my medical history together and realized what a bunch of bunk it all was. There was nothng wrong with my penis at all until they started messing with it.
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Op, if you are worried about leaving ds intact, and him "needing" a circ later in life, try to think about it vice versa.

I circ'ed ds, which I said earlier in the thread. I worry ALL THE TIME that it was botched and we won't know until ds is much older. I look at his penis, and I notice a large area of scar tissue (which looks "normal" for a circ). Who knows what problems that will cause when he is older? I worry that he'll be educated on the benefits of a foreskin, and be angry that I took away a healthy body part. And my reasoning? Um, just because. There MUST be a benefit to it, if doctors offer it, right? :
If I have another boy, he will not be circ'ed. I won't have those worries. I won't worry that he'll be angry at me for NOT having cosmetic surgery on him. A man can always get circ'ed later, if he hates his foreskin enough. AND they'd get major pain pills for a week to help them deal with it.
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JuJuBees said in her original question that
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from what i understand they don't feel much
It was 'believed' my much of the US medical industry for about 100 years that babies cannot feel. Hence as late as the late 1980s operations such as open heart surgery was done on infants without anaesthesia.

This was from David Chamberlain, http://primal-page.com/babies.htm
http://www.birthpsychology.com/viole...mberlain1.html

In fact, babies feel more pain than adults
http://www.circumstitions.com/News19.html#pain

The pain of infant circumcision is excruciating and its remembered unconsciously.
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According to some things I have read, approximately 5-10 percent of males who are not circumcised have to be circumcised later in life due to problems with the foreskin. Advocates of circumsision point this out and say it's better to avoid these problems; critics say "why fix what isn't broken yet?"

Some studies also show that circ'ed men have less of a chance of catching STDs, including AIDS, although critics have pointed out flaws in those studies (sorry I don't know the details.)
I find this doubtful. I would suspect that less than 1% of men actually need to be circumcised. the only conditions that actually require circumcision are penile cancer, gangrene, and frostbite, and these are pretty rare on the foreskin. Penile cancer tends to occur mostly in elderly men, and the rate of that is something like 0.1%.

As for the STDs, amputating a part of a childs body for diseases which are not currently present is severely unethical. It is simply amazing how people can be driven to toss the most basic morals and sense of human rights into the trash based on these flawed rationales. AIDS is so easy to prevent anyway, this is not an easy disease to pass around. Simply dont have sex with people you dont know. this is what you should be telling your teens, not cutting off the most sensitive and pleasurable parts of their bodies.
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I find it very doubtful as well. Just look at other countries who do not circ, 5-10% of the males do not get circed as adults.

But even if a high percentage of males really, truly needed a circumcision later in life (which they will not), I would still not circumcize my baby.

Babies cannot rationalize the pain. Doing surgery on a smaller body part is more difficult than on a larger part. Adults can make sure they have adequate pain relief. An adult's wounded penis is not sitting in urine and feces in a diaper. etc.

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There is no valid or ethical reason to circumcise children, removing a normal body part that the child is born with. Everyone has a right to a whole body, and no body part should be removed for conditions that are not currently present, are minor, or which can be treated with less invasive methods. the fact, is, the conditions that circumcision is claimed to prevent are very rare already, and removing healthy body parts from a child to prevent a disease that does not actually exist at present is deeply wrong. if we were to use this logic, we could remove every body part, since every part can have something go wrong with it. I would say well less than 1% of men will ever need to be circumcised, much less than that probably moe like 0.1%. And then it can be done safely and with full general anesthetics, and the person can make sure they get enough pain relief, and it is far less traumatic, since the adult knows why its being done and is able to cope with it, an infant, cannot cope, all it is to the infant is a brutal assault and attack on it little body. And it truly is, since there is no reason to do it to infants pretty much at all. Nearl y every circumcision of an infant is done to treat no condition whatsoever. There truly is no more need to circumcise boys than there is to do the same to girls.

Despite common belief it is much more painful and hard on the infant to have circumcision done than rather than as an adult. At least an adult can be given general anesthetic more safely and is able to work to assure that they receive sufficient painkillers and to vocalise their needs. An infant is a fully aware and conscious being, and must not be subject to extremely painful practices, and circumcision, even with local anesthetic is extremely painful.

It is very unlikely that a person will ever need circumcision. Again, conditions of the penis are rare,a nd when they usually do occur, can be treated usually without circumcision. UTIs are 5 to 50 times more common in girls than boys, but does anyone propose strapping down girls and slicing of their most sensitive sexual organs? No, we use antibiotics to treat them, The same should be done for boys. UTIs in boys are in fact very rare and are never a good reason to circumcise. The only conditions that may actually require circumcision is penile cancer, frostbite and gangrene, and these are very rare conditions on the foreskin. Circumcised men can still get penile cancer. Penile cancer can much more easily prevented through other lifestyle habits, and usually occurs in elderly men. It has a rate of about 0.1%. Not a good reason to mutilate millions of helpless little children and deprive them of normal sexuality for the rest of their lives. By comparison, 20% of females get beast cancer, do we removed the breasts of every female at birth? It would reduce breast cancer rates by 100%. Again, it is wrong and unethical to remove body parts from children for diseases that dont even exist. Our body is our most sacred posession, and everyone has a right to all of it. Removing parts can seriously effect a person for the rest of their lives. Due to the extreme sensitivity of the foreskin to pleasure sensation, removing the foreskin is like removing a persons taste buds, it deprives them of normal sensations and a part of life they will never be able to appreciate and experience. Needless to say, it can have major and life long effects on a person and even the psychological states they can experience. messing with peoples bodies is literally messing with their minds, you are altering the way they experience life and this is deeply wrong, even sinister and evil. Cirucmcision removes the most densely innervated part of the body, which like taste buds, produce experiences provided by no other part of the body, the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the body, and removing it permenantly and drastically narrow the range of pleasure sensations a man is able to enjoy, denying to them a whole range of beauty, pleasure and enjoyment for the rest of their lives. it isa life long sentance to sensory deprivation. Circumcision removes around 20,000 highly sensitive touch pleasure nerve endings, the most sensitive part of the body.

Cirucmcision truly has serious and life long implications for the persons whose body it is. Circumcision, a of a body part, can deprive a person of normal sensitivity and pleasure for the rest of their life, it is a body part that they will never know and never be able to enjoy. i feel this loss deeply, when I found out that someone had cut off a part of my penis, i was cried and depressed about it for weeks. I was very upset at my parents for letting them do this to me. Even before I learned what had happened, I had a deep sense that I had been mutilated and tortured somehow when I was small infant. I had memories of being strapped down to a plastic board, naked, in a hospital, on by back, as an infant, since my early childhood, long before I knew was circumcision was. I have had deep feelings of betrayal, i knew that something awful had been done to me as an infant.

Circumcision reduces the skin surface area of the penis by 50%, and since pleasure is created by nerve endings, and nerve endings are in skin, this results in a devastating sensory loss. Its very obvious to men who are honest about their loss that they have less sensitivity that they should have. Even a 5% loss of sensitivity is criminal. it is truly wrong and abhorrent to deprive people of pleasure and sensitivity for life.

I know to the permenant sexual damage that is caused by male genital mutilation. I have almost no sensitivity at all, and very little pleasure or joy comes from surface touch sensations. Long before I even knew what circumcision was, I had a very unpleasant experiences, of extreme frustration and confusion, as a result of this. I knew I should be able to experience intense pleasures and joy, their is a very real psychological need for this pleasure and joy. But, in my self pleasure attempts, despite a deep knowing that I should be able to reach some intense high of pleasure, I originally was not able to masturbate at all. I was attempting to do it the way I suppose an intact person would, but of course, by attempting to roll or massage the foreskin, but there was no foreskin left to roll or massage at all. There was an instictive need to do this, and when I couldnt do it, It was very confusing and bewildering psychologically. I really cannot describe the confusion. I do believe males know instinctively when it is right to retract and clean themselves, as well. I remember, as a child, trying to retract a foreskin that wasnt there. Circumcision makes masturbation without an orgasm much more difficult and far less pleasurable. At least for me, an unintact, mutilated man, what little pleasure there is seems to come at the time of orgasm, there is little, at least for me, pleasure coming from surface pleasure. For me it is very difficult to get much of any pleasure at all without an orgasm. The pleasure that comes the entire experience is inadequate, dull and unsatisfying.

What I have left has hardly any erogenous sensitivity at all. I, from the amount of erogenous skin surface I have remaining, and from an understanding of which parts of the intact anatomy are the most sensitive, I have approximately less than 1% of my highly erogenous and heavily nerve laden skin surface remaining. What I have left is not very sensitive and not very much more sensitive than any other part of the body. It is a virtually complete erasure of a mans erogenous specialised touch sensitivity. To say that this is a nearly total sensory castration and loss, that is nearly complete erasure, descruction, and annihilation of specialised touch pleasure sensations and sensitivity of male sexuality, a whole world of intense pleasures, beauty and sensations, even induced emotional and psychological states from this, that I will never know and never be able to enjoy, is an understatement. This is as bad or worse than removing a persons taste buds or sense of smell. Just as removing a sense of smell would completely alter a persons life, really steal a part of their life from them, forever denying to them normal sensations and experience, literally cutting a part of themselves off from being able to experience pleasurable aspects of the world and life, Circumcision removes from men the most pleasurable and enjoyable aspects of life, a very significant part of their life and their pleasure has been stolen from from. It is so awfully sad and tragic. It has caused in me feelings of severe deprivation and loss, and I have often cried about it. Ive had feelings betrayal and hurt from this. The deeply buried trauma that were created from the circumcision event itself, and the shock and emotional trauma that I experienced when i found out that a part of my body had been butchered and destroyed when I was a helpless infant, is very real. I cried and was depressed for some time when I found out what they had done to me when I was too helpless and defenceless to protect and defend myself from this henious and brutal mutilation and torture.

Body parts cannot be amputate simply because they seem non essential. The entire body is an important part of a persons life, since the body parts do not only have a function for maintanence and systemic function of the body, but also, especially with the foreskin, serve a function of providing for sensory input, which is a big part of life as well. It is sensory input which connects us to this world.

People have always asked what function do the male nipples serve. Simply because something doesn't have an apparent function, does this mean we can cut it off. I say the only person who can judge its usefulness and value is the persons whose body it is. They should make all such choices. Has anyone considered that perhaps the male nipples have an pleasure purpose? people assume that certain parts of the body have no function, since they play no systems function for the body. But the sole purpose of all body parts is not only upkeep, but also sensory and pleasurable, and in fact, the body is our basic interface to this world. It is basically like a software program that connects you to the internet. If you delete a part of the program, lets say the part that displays images, you will not be able in that case to see any images. just text.A body part may of a purpose for its owner even for the reason that the owner simply like how it looks. They are the only ones who have the right to decide if a body part is important to them, and no one has a right to take away parts of their body without their consent as an adult, such as when they are a child.

An important part of life is being able to interact with the world, and to feel and sense pleasurures, to see, and to enjoy it. Without eyes you cannot see. Without skin you do not have nerves, and without nerves you cannot feel.It seems odd that there is such an obsessive focus on deleting and removing the erogenous and pleasure parts of the interface program from the childrens bodies. The body is what connects a persons consciousness to this world, deleting a part of it, disconnects a person from this world. It essentially deletes, steals and deprives, a person from a part of their life. It seems like this are trying to mess around with peoples minds, to artificially manipulate people, the experiences they can appreciate, and intrude on the most basic aspects of their lives through removing their bodies most sensitive and pleasurable, intensely erogenous part.

CIrcumcision has other possible harmful effects. The infliction of the severe trauma on the child could disrupt normal neurological and psychological development. Different parts of the body are said to be mapped to different areas of the brain, when one part of the body is removed, the part of the brain that corresponds to it may not be activated or utilised in the same manner. Especially with the foreskin, which is heavily loaded with nerve endings of a sort found nowhere else on the body, removing this permentantly deprives and eliminates certian signals being delivered to the brain and may inhibit or eliminate certian physiological or neurological, and psychological reactions and states. Some have suggested that the removal of the foreskin may remove triggers for certian hormone releases and neurological triggers.


i always say, if an adult wants to have circumcision done, they can always choose to do so as an adult. But it should not tbe done to children who may be easily coerced or may not be able to make a fully informed decision. People always say it is a personal decision, it is, it is only the persons whose body it is to be able to decide to keep this body part, not the parents, not anyone else. its his body, his choice, his rights. I always tell people, I would not circumcise my children not because it is my choice, but because it is not my choice.

Circumcision is a barbaric practice, which steals a persons most sacred birthright and posession, a part of their body, which can never be replaced. It deserves to be safely confined to the history books where it cannot torture, maim, inflict injury and suffering on, and traumatise any more children.
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I'm glad to have read this thread. I'm pregnant with #3 right now and already have 2 boys. They are circ'd. If I have another boy I am debating about circumsizing him. I wish I was a bit more informed before I circ'd my other 2 boys but I wanted them to look like their daddy, right? However I go back and forth re: the idea of not circ. #3. Won't he wonder why he doesn't look like his brothers and his dad when he gets older?
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I'm glad to have read this thread. I'm pregnant with #3 right now and already have 2 boys. They are circ'd. If I have another boy I am debating about circumsizing him. I wish I was a bit more informed before I circ'd my other 2 boys but I wanted them to look like their daddy, right? However I go back and forth re: the idea of not circ. #3. Won't he wonder why he doesn't look like his brothers and his dad when he gets older?
mama. Yes, he might wonder. And ask. And you should answer him. Just as your older sons might ask you someday why you had them circumcised.

When you know better, you do better.

That's the answer I would give them. Parenting has a steep learning curve in all aspects, and you get better as you learn and practice. There are a number of parents here who have circ'd their eldest and not their youngest. I know many of them have had in-depth conversations with their children about this as they got older, with apologies to the older boys and information about circumcision and being intact for all of them. Personally, if I were a boy, I'd MUCH rather hear "I learned more about it and chose not to do it to you" than "sorry, but I didn't want you to look different than your brothers."
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I'm glad to have read this thread. I'm pregnant with #3 right now and already have 2 boys. They are circ'd. If I have another boy I am debating about circumsizing him. I wish I was a bit more informed before I circ'd my other 2 boys but I wanted them to look like their daddy, right? However I go back and forth re: the idea of not circ. #3. Won't he wonder why he doesn't look like his brothers and his dad when he gets older?
You might want to check out the regret sticky at the top of this forum. You would npt be the lone mama who has a combination of circumcised and intact sons. You just tell the older ones, that at the time of thier births, you thought it was the right thing to do and with the newest, you had more information and realized that it didn't need to be done...simple...as you will hear alot here in the CAC forum and all over MDC...When you know better, you do better.

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Yes. I dont think that the children will care much or mind that they are different, it is likely .. In fact, it is a very strong possibility that your newest son will be very glad and happy that you let him keep all of his penis. I think it is more likely that your sons who are unintact may be upset that you allowed them to cut off parts of their penises. I know, that when i was 11, and i found out that much of my penis was destroyed, I wished, I wished i had never been circumcised. I was crying and i was SHOCKED that we would do something like this to children. Please, please, please do not let this terrible thing be done to your newest son. Spare him this wrong and tragic act. He should be allowed to keep all of his body until he is able to make his own choices as an adult. Respect his right to a whole body.
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mama. Personally, if I were a boy, I'd MUCH rather hear "I learned more about it and chose not to do it to you" than "sorry, but I didn't want you to look different than your brothers."
Thank you for the response. I have learned alot since the birth of my first and as I mentioned before I wish I had been more informed about circumcision. I didn't hesitate to do it to my first 2 boys. I only looked into not circumcisizing after I heard the horrible cries of DS #2 while they were doing the procedure in the Dr's office. It broke my heart. I'm just glad I was breastfeeding so I could soothe his pain.
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I'm glad to have read this thread. I'm pregnant with #3 right now and already have 2 boys. They are circ'd. If I have another boy I am debating about circumsizing him. I wish I was a bit more informed before I circ'd my other 2 boys but I wanted them to look like their daddy, right? However I go back and forth re: the idea of not circ. #3. Won't he wonder why he doesn't look like his brothers and his dad when he gets older?
I recently read "Circumcision : The Hidden Trauma" by Ronald Goldman, Ph.D. there was a quote in there that said a little boy who was intact and retractable, would retract his foreskin and say "look like daddy!" (who was circumcised) and then push his foreskin back down and say "look like me!" i thought that was cute.

children are able to understand that no two bodies look exactly alike. and i don't think most boys see their fathers naked at an age where they are old enough to notice that there is a difference in their penises.

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Trust me, my kids don't wonder why they weren't cut like daddy; they wonder why poor daddy was cut in the first place.
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For anyone deciding to get their 'facts' from circumcisioninfo.com, look into what a 'circumfetishist' is.

One thing they get off on is going to less 'enlightened' forums & talking mommies into getting this done, then asking a lot of details to masturbate to.

Kind of like when adult diaper guys go to the diapering forum, or guys with lactation fetishes pretend to be a mom whose 10 yr old wants to nurse. Except those just give some people the willies when they figure it out, while THESE people get pieces of babies cut off.

Listen to those screams on the video, & recall that there are men who climax to that sound. Then decide if 'circumcisioninfo' is really where you want to get the information to make an informed decision.
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Baby was crying, but a little less than in this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmX6RdRNoqk
That poor, poor little guy. How can they just ignore that tiny baby screaming himself raw? It just goes on and on.
Sorry, I know I'm not adding much to the thread. This thread came up on new posts and I saw the link to this video. It disturbed me so much I just had to talk about it somewhere.
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My intact dh's father is circumcised and he's so thankful that he DOESN'T look like his father. He would feel the same if he had any circumcised brothers (he's an only child). I have a friend who circumcised her first four boys and not the fifth and none of them even noticed!

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if it is less than 1% how come i hear about it so frequently happening? i have heard of several cases, and i dont know many intact men.
I just typed out a long post which disappeared into cyberspace, so I'm going to write you the short version.
1. Urban legend. The "friend of a friend stories" which everyone believes. The next time someone gives you one of these stories, ask them for more details. If it didn't happen to them personally, it might be an urban legend.
2. Elderly men. Nurses have to take care of them, and sometimes complain about how "gross" their penises are. Most old men were born at a time and place when circumcision was not universal, and neither was good hygiene. Also, they're in a nursing home because they can't take care of themselves. Old men who previously had good hygiene no longer do.
3. Ignorance of the foreskin and intact penis by doctors. Circumcision is recommended for all sorts of issues, like a UTI or a yeast infection, when a circ'ed man or a woman would get antibiotics or Motrin.
Good for you for informing yourself!
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Oh my goodness!

Does anyone have past 1935 citations?


If this were just presented to most folks, particularly the medical community, there would not need to be even videos. This speaks volumes!

Kia, you AWESOME!


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Oh my goodness!

Does anyone have past 1935 citations?
This info can be found in many places but here it is;

A Short History of Circumcision in the U.S.
In Physicians' Own Words

http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/shorthis.htm
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You really shouldn't let this scare you. As many others have pointed out, the chances are equal that a circ will cause a second circ later on. I know, mine was re-done at age 6.

Sure it wasn't fun, but it wasn't the exquisite torture many men make it out to be. I swear, men are really the biggest drama queens, lol. The memory of the temporary pain didn't stay with me, but the effects of the circ. did. Twice cut = twice the complications. Furthermore, I later learned that the re-circ was the cause of yet another "procedure" I had to go through for meatol stenosis.

Being immersed in the backward thinking of the pro-circ culture of the midwest, I believed for the longest time it was all necessary because I had a defective penis. It wasn't until I was in my 30's that I put the pieces of my medical history together and realized what a bunch of bunk it all was. There was nothng wrong with my penis at all until they started messing with it.
thank you for your prospective of it. it's good to hear from a circ'ed man.
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Anybody have that Howard Stern video with the guys with buried penis complications? I'd play that for people concerned about 'locker room teasing'.

And the horrible infections, well, someone must have that pic of the baby with the (quite common now!) staph infection.

Play those for your mom, Jujubees. (Someone, link us please!)
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And the horrible infections, well, someone must have that pic of the baby with the (quite common now!) staph infection.

Play those for your mom, Jujubees. (Someone, link us please!)
Here is the link to the MRSA infection after circumcision article with pictures

Victim of Birth Rape & Coerced ribboncesarean.gifUnnecesareanribboncesarean.gif What makes people think they can cut up someone else's genitals? nocirc.gif
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Thank you, Fyrestorm! You rock!

And here is Howard Stern's buried penis 'Small Penis' video.
http://fadedyouth.blogspot.com/2006/...s-contest.html

Howard: "Did you get operated on?"
Bob: "No, not at all."

: Yes, you did.

This is what happens when they cut too much skin off. The penis becomes, in effect, an internal organ. All those women with chubby circ'd babies, who write to other forums worriedly, asking if this will get better, if they will have to stop popping it out to be able to clean it, & pro-circers say, "NO, it's FINE, he'll grow out of it!"- This is what is going to be their lives from now on.

You honestly think it's the guy whose parents didn't cut part of his penis off who is going to have problems in the gym?

I want to cry when I see this video, worse than all the infant mutilation videos combined. The laughter & comments, & even Howard not acknowleding (not KNOWING) that this is 100% a common circumcision complication.

I wonder if we should add these to the video page we keep bumping? I think they are eloquent in their horror & sadness.
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Thanks Kia.

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There is no way that I have the attention span to read this whole thread.

but my husband was cut at age 11 years, and to him, it was excruciatingly painful. but moreso when he peed.

To bm31, if you said you were recut at age 6, i wonder if your glans was already exposed before that, because if it was, then it would have already had 6 years worth of keratinazation (sp?) on the parts that were exposed the most, you know?

My husband's glans was not exposed before that, so, not only did he have to go through the pain of the incisions, on what is the one of the most densely nerved packed area on his body healing up, but he also had to go through all the extra sensitive glans becoming calloused from the rubbing of his penis on his underwear and such.

To this very day, if he gets an erection, sometimes his scars tear a little bit, and that is excruciating to him also, he has to abstain for a few days, and (try) not to get any erections.

He restored just a tiny teeny bit, recently and has not had any more tears in his scars, but still.
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why do people restore? and wouldnt it be differnt?
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thank you for your prospective of it. it's good to hear from a circ'ed man.

You're quite welcome.

I know most circ'd men will say they are "fine," but those of us who aren't have usually been shamed into keeping our mouths shut. It took me many years to understand what they did to me, and a few more to speak up about it, but if it saves even one child from living the life I have that really means the world to me.
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