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Anybody else get "Cookie" magazine? Article in the Oct/Nov issue titled "getting the shaft" talks about an increase in "half-done jobs" and the trend to do looser circs. They quote a mother off a online parenting network who says her son's circ wasn't done correctly and "I don't want him to have that ugly worm-in-a-turtleneck look". Although this article is overall very, very pro-circ, they at least quote docs who say there is no need to surgically correct a partial-circ and that you should never, ever pull back on adhesions. They suggest talking with your doc about how much skin to take off prior to the procedure...: (hmm... how about... none???)

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boy sheesh we need to fill up the words of how postive intact penises are so we don't have this racisim
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I have run into many, many mothers on mainstream chat boards who pull back their circ'ed son's adhesions and who are considering second (even third) circs purely for cosmetic reasons. Some complain that their circ'ed sons look too much like intact boys : There definitely needs to be proper education for parents of circ'ed boys because some of them just seem to keep on putting their poor sons through even more pain!!
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That's sick! Ick, ick, ick! :Puke:

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no words.

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Umm... what is an article about penises doing in "Cookie" magazine?
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Cookie magazine is a newer mainstream parenting mag out on the shelves now.

That article makes me sick. Ewwww Ewww Ewww

(Dripping sarcasm here) I guess I should just go sign my poor son up for another horrific and unnecessary cosmetic procedure. I mean wow they might not have taken all of the most sensitive parts of his penis the first time around. :
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I never subscribed to them but they're sending me their mags anyways. Guess its a promotional thing. Anyways I never read it because the kids are way too dolled up. Almost makes me ill. Some fashions are cute, others have no business on a child! Aside from my overly opinionated remark, I'm reading that article. Before I finish (Its making me SICK!) I wanted to comment.

WHY are pro-circ parents so fixated on their child's genitals? Come on, wake up and smell the freakn' coffee! STAY OUT OF THEIR SEX LIFE!!! JEEEZZ

Back to reading... If I can get through this in one piece.
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I just looked the article up on-line: getting the shaft (what a *fabulous title, btw) for those who haven't read the whole hideous thing.

I'd heard of the magazine but never run across a copy before today, when I picked it up while waiting for DD's gym class to end. I kept having to re-read passages because I could just *not* process the absolute superficiality with which they were addressing the mutilation of a child's genitals. I just ... no ... could not process the idea of *recircumcising* a child because your original mutilation didn't look "right".

I'm going to write to them, I think. If I can ever get past the complete disconnect I've got going on in my brain right now. :

Oh, and to add insult to injury, this article appeared in their so-called "green" issue, encouraging environmental mindfulness. PEOPLE, LEAVE THE PENII ALONE! How's that for mindfulness? Eesh.

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Just read it. OMG, what do I even say? No words...
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I, too, get unwanted magazines. I sometimes flip through it to see fun clothing sites I might want to window-shop at, but every article I've ever read in this magazine just makes me want to vomit. Seriously.

This particular article was purely revolting. I just *love* ( the last paragraph in particular:

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Socarides says her pregnant friends now discuss with their obstetricians how much foreskin they want taken off beforehand. Timothy Johnson, M.D., chair of the University of Michigan department of obstetrics and gynecology, applauds them. "Parents should ask, "Do you believe in taking a lot of a little off?" he says. "It truly should be informed consent." In the whirl of nursery decorating and name picking, it's easy to back-burner a frank talk about foreskin. But if you've decided to circumcise, this is one area where you probably shouldn't play it loose."
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The *entire* article focuses on how nobody likes a loose circ, it just doesn't look good, those horrible docs are probably just doing it like that these days to avoid malpractice suits, and for heaven's sake, don't forget to talk to your doc to make sure your innocent little son gets his most sensitive area carved perfectly to your liking, because if it doesn't look like YOU want it to look, he'll probably feel emotionally damaged and self-conscious his entire life, starting as soon as he can notice.

And what is with this bit?
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Jay E. Berkelhamer, M.D., the president of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), recommends that circumcision be done when a baby is first born; as babies get older but are still unable to express themselves, they may have difficulty processing what is happening. "I would hesitate to do a routine cosmetic procedure until the child understands what is going on and why," he says.
Doesn't that strike anyone else as the least bit contradictory? Sure...go ahead and do it while they're babies, but if they're older and still can't understand what's going on, don't do it then.

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I wrote:

I'd heard of your magazine, but never come across a copy before today, when I picked it up in a waiting room. Seemed harmless enough, maybe even interesting enough to pick up a subscription.

Until I reached the article titled "getting the shaft". I kept having to re-read passages because I could just *not* process the absolute superficiality with which the writer was addressing the mutilation of a child's genitals. And to even entertain a discussion of putting a boy through further surgeries because his penis didn't "look right" ... honestly, that is one of the most perverse and revolting things I have ever read in a mainstream publication.

I have an 11-month-old son. My husband and I recognize that our only interest in his body is keeping him safe and WHOLE until he is old enough to make decisions about any part of it for himself. What his penis looks like is, truthfully, not up to us, and to suggest that it is - and that it should be surgically altered to meet our expectations - is so counter to the idea of protecting and nurturing our children that it is almost impossible for me to even process the concept.

He may be *our* child, but it is *his* penis. And we have no more right to remove part of his perfectly healthy and normal penis than we do to remove any other perfectly healthy and normally functioning part of his body. Especially for what many of the parents in the article admit are cosmetic reasons!

Needless to say, your publication won't be coming into my home any time soon. I hope that you will revisit this issue and offer your readers the truth about the harm caused by circumcision and why there is no reason to put any child through such pointless and deforming elective cosmetic surgery.

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Wonderful letter LAdy Madonna.

We need more. Please write!!

Did you send your letter via email, Lady Madonna? If so, can you post the email address you sent it to so we can all write. I can only find an email for their subscription customer service.

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I can only imagine what these "mothers" look and act like. It must be like a bad episode of Dr. 90210! :LOL

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i did, however, like THIS part:

"when a new pediatrician admonished her for having let the extra skin adhere. The doctor yanked it free and, as her baby howled, instructed Avery to pull it back and apply antibiotic ointment at each diaper change to keep it from readhering.

This is dead wrong, according to the AAP (which is neutral about circumcision itself). Separating skin is a developmental process, and yanking can cause both scarring and tissue damage; if you notice signs of infection, call your pediatrician, but don't retract the skin. "Don't force it back!" says Berkelhamer. "As the penis grows and the child has erections, the foreskin will normally retract."
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But if you've decided to circumcise, this is one area where you probably shouldn't play it loose.
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High and tight circs, here we come.
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Doesn't that strike anyone else as the least bit contradictory? Sure...go ahead and do it while they're babies, but if they're older and still can't understand what's going on, don't do it then.
Berkelheimer's quote confused me too. I couldn't figure out where he stood on what a child's understanding of circumcision "should" be. It seems like he is just talking in circles.

I feel bad for the sons of the parents interviewed in the article.

The only (small) redeeming quality of the article was the bit on not retracting the (remaining) foreskin to break up adhesions. Thank heaven the author got at least one thing right!!

I had never heard of cookie magazine previous to this post but I definitely won't be buying or subscribing after reading this train wreck.
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Instinctually, Avery, a New York City–based labor-and-delivery nurse, left her son alone. And she and her husband don't intend to do anything about baby Patrick's "scarf." "He seems to be growing into it," she says. "I'm not worried about it."
WTF?

How ironic.

"Instinctively" she "left her son alone" because she didn't opt for a *second* cosmetic genital cutting operation.

Terrible article except for that little bit about not lysing adhesions.

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I'm just very shocked about how many women I have talked to that had their son's circ. redone!! Most would of never had it done in the first place, if they knew they would of had to have it redone.
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THIS could be your son, folks!!!

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New to this board and I am so glad I found it! What a place to vent, cause if you haven?t figured it out yet by the title of my post, I hate circumcision. I am a circumcised 25 year old and if you?ll bear with me, I?ll explain why I hate it so much.

I was born in small economically and sexually repressed town of about 800 people in the ?Great? state of West Virginia. The only medical facilities that the town had were two clinics, one for 0-18 and the other for anyone older which was shared with another town. Each was staffed by a doctor and two nurses, but the two doctors were often at odds with each other, and so neither poached on the others turf. The pediatics clinic had a birthing facility, and so unless you wanted to give birth at home (no one did that, we were not that redneck!) or you wanted to drive 80 miles to the next hospital, you gave birth at that clinic.

Dr. M, the man who ran the clinic handled all the births and regular checkups. The nurses handled all walk ins. Dr. M was one of those old-curmudgeonly old-school docs, who had been doctoring in the town for almost 30 years. Anyway, as you might have imagined, he was strongly in favor of RIC and didn?t really give parents a choice. If a boy was born he would be given all the medical necessities and then whisked into the next room for a circumcision, without anesthesia, no doubt. The worst part about the doc was that he was one of those anti-pleasure sadists. When I was looking around on the internet I found that as the unofficial definition of what he was. He would remove lots of skin, completely removing the foreskin, all the inner skin, and the frenulum. In short, from my research I can tell that all I was left with was outer skin, which has far fewer sensory receptors. Looking at my mutilated penis now, I can see the result of his work. The very pale outer skin is pulled tight with no slack or wrinkles and no scar or coloration changes either, meaning that there is not inner skin left. The head, which stands completely free of skin is not the dark brown or red, but more pale, almost like the shaft skin. On the underside there is a smooth grove where the frenulum might have been, but there is not even a trace of it now. When I look down I don?t see an object of beauty, I see a dry, pale, mutilated thing. All the boys in the town were circumcised this way, because he did it the same way, every time. So for a long time I thought this was the normal way things were. My two brothers looked like that, all my friends looked like that, and so I didn?t think twice. Masturbation was always a difficult venture at best because I had next to no erotic tissue left. I would have to work furiously for a long time in order to get any reaction, and would often have to use massive amounts of spit as lube. In the few circle jerk sessions that I attended other boys had trouble as well. It would have looked comical had it not been so sad, looking at a bunch of boys trying furiously to jerk each other off, but having very little success. I gave up on masturbation very soon as did most of my friends. Dr. M had succeeded in his mission of sexually repressing us I guess.

When I later began to have sex, I would again have to work furiously to get any sort of arousal out of my deadened member, and several girls asked me to stop thrusting so hard. Even the erections themselves are not as comfortable as they should be, I think. The skin already tight when flaccid, becomes even tighter when erect. Luckily, no sack skin comes up the shaft, but there is always an uncomfortable pressure. Is that normal??? Anyway, I?ll stop rambling now, but circumcision has made my sex life horrible, and it is all because one man wanted it to be that way. DON?T CIRCUMCISE!
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Microsoap, that story is depressing.: One doctor mass mutilated a town full of boys. Tell me thats not a serial pedophile/RAPIST!
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BTW, the article is available online in its entirety. If you think you can stand the horror.
http://www.cookiemag.com/brain/kidhe...9/circumcision

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I cant even open my mouth to form words. Did they really publish this? We have a sick society here.

I wonder if these same moms are handing over their daughters to chop labia off if they protrude in the slightest.

These parents are sick. Its like they're peddling their sons out for porn.

Everytime I see my dh tight circ I am enraged...beyond enraged. This makes me so sad for these boys whos parents are asking for tight circs. Its going to screw up his sex life. Its rape. It royally sucks for me to have to have sex with a broom stick.

Oh and I am an Angelino whose had 2 breast augs, a little lipo, fillers, botox...you name it. I wear high heels to the grocery store. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand that cosmetic surgery is for the person who own the body to be operated on. I would NEVER even fathom taking a knife to my sons. Not any part of them especially their penis. Its a penis for Christs sake. Its the center of their sexuality and masculinity. Circ is just bizarre. Absolutely bizarre.
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I cant even open my mouth to form words.
Oh and I am an Angelino whose had 2 breast augs, a little lipo, fillers, botox...you name it. I wear high heels to the grocery store. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand that cosmetic surgery is for the person who own the body to be operated on. I would NEVER even fathom taking a knife to my sons. Not any part of them especially their penis. Its a penis for Christs sake. Its the center of their sexuality and masculinity. Circ is just bizarre. Absolutely bizarre.
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You go Mama! I feel the same way. Circ is bizarre and obscene.
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Wow perfect timing! I read this entire thread today with great disgust....then came home to find a letter from cookie magazine trying to get me to subscribe. YA RIGHT! HA!
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This is so freak'n gross, unlike the foreskin! Why is a magazine named "Cookie" encouraging such a cosmetic practice even more brutal and puritanical than a normal circ? Puritanical parents re-circing their sons to make them look like pop-stars is one of the many significant reasons why the USA is such a terrible place to live in: .
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Flood them with snail mail, too, folks. The more letters they get, the more likely they'll be to print one.


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I'm just very shocked about how many women I have talked to that had their son's circ. redone!! Most would of never had it done in the first place, if they knew they would of had to have it redone.
: One of DS1's 3.5yo friends got re-circ'ed this summer. Except his (teen) mom was just mad at the doc who did the first circ too loose. She angrily told me something like 'If they don't believe in circumcision, they just shouldn't do them. They leave too much skin there because of their own personal beliefs that they don't think circumcision is right.' Then I simply told her we didn't circ our son, and I sensed she felt judged by me. Then she told me that her son HAS to look like all his cousins. His penis is different, and he doesn't want to be different, plus it gets infected all the time. The conversation ended, but I'm left thinking to myself, this kid is half Mexican, how much is he ever going to look like all his blond-haired blue-eyed cousins? (small town, I know them all) :

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I read the article online.

ITA with all pp's comments. And, is it just me, or are the graphics shown online completely inappropriate?

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