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Old 10-24-2008, 04:53 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I know GBS isn't a big deal in the big scheme of things, but I was crushed when I found out I was pos again. The hospital I'm delivering at requires antibiotics, just like the one I delivered DD at. It's not that an IV is horrible, it's just that I was hoping to only have the stupid hep-loc. I think the IV caused me to get a little anxious last time, and I got a little convulsive-y the last five hours with non-stop shaking. They said it was my hormones that caused it, mostly anxiety or whatever it is that causes women to shake AFTER labor. (I didn't shake then b/c I was SO exhausted.)

Anyway, I'm just disappointed. I'll get over it. Maybe I'll get lucky and arrive at the hospital when it's too late for the antibiotics or anything AND the babe will be unharmed.
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It's always disappointing when things don't go like we want them to. But you will have a lovely snuggly little baby to hold!

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I'm not sure what it is called, but it was just a temporary thing that a midwife used to give me the antibiotics. You might want to ask for that instead. I don't like being hooked up to stuff either.

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i'm from the oct ddc

i too was GBS+ at 38wks. i am very opposed to IV abx during labor and have spent the past 2 weeks doing everything natural (and some not quite natural) i can to eradicate the infection. i just had my retest today at term, and am cautiously optimistic.

you dont have to consent to the abx. search the web, theres a ton of useful info out there. hibiclens rinses during labor have been found to be just as effective at reducing vertical transmission as abx. i posted my protocol from the last 2 weeks on another thread a few days ago, i can dig it up if you like
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It's my understanding that no matter what the hospital says they "require" or is "mandatory," you can always refuse. They write it down and are covered. They'll make it sound like you have no choice, but noone can force anything on you. If you don't get the IV, I would also absolutely make sure that they don't give your newborn antibiotics instead. I'd have your partner insist on staying with the baby **at all times** to ensure the newborn care you want is what you get.
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Thank you. I'm not really anti-antibiotics, but I am anti-annoying needles in my arm for hours on end. *sigh*
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Ambotchka -- I'm there! I was GBS+ with my first. I'm not even getting tested this time. Just be prepared, though... they'll likely make it sound like your baby will be facing impending death if you don't.... I don't say that to sound horrible, just to be realistic. Very VERY few hospital workers actually even know the GBS stats and how the IV can potentially even be harmful... Mothering had a good article on it; here's the link: http://www.mothering.com/articles/pr...n/group-b.html

A Midwifery Today article I read recommended Vitamin C daily (1000 mg a day - if nothing else, it can't hurt and will help fight off colds!), to wipe front to back and even do a water-type wash after bowel movements (apparantly GBS comes from the colon if I recall reading right...), and if you are a candidate for Candida, to treat for that. My midwife is absolutely adamant about taking Probiotics, too (which actually go a long way against the Candida). I decided to go all out and for the last month through the pregnancy have been taking the needs-to-be-refrigerated 50 billion count.

Anyway, good luck! BTW -- we have the same due date!!

Ferretfan - I'd be interested in your protocol especially for the labor rinse....
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Pax3--that's a great article. I plan on having a chat with my OB at my next appt.
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I'm doing about the same stuff as Pax3. I tested + last time and I'm not getting tested this time. Doing probiotics and vitamin C and having hibiclens on the backburner in case I don't end up with a water birth.
Good luck! Laboring with an IV in your arm is not fun (been there, done that!)
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i took echinacea tincture (but then they sold out), 2ml x2 day. now i take capsules. then 1 garlic capsule x3 day, and 500mg vit C x2 or x3 a day, depending on how bad my memory was! a vaginal probiotic; i take one orally in the am, and one vaginally at night. mine are enterically coated so i switch the powder for the vaginal one into a regular capsule. if you don't have another capsule to replace the enteric one, i imagine you could mix it with a little plain yogurt and insert via syringe.
when i first got the diagnosis, i did 3 nights of vaginal garlic (i peeled a clove and threaded string through it for easy retrieval) i could still taste it! it was a little yucky but ok.
every other night i did a hydrogen peroxide rinse in a 30 cc syringe and inserted the nightly probiotic after; this was after the garlic tampon phase.

before my test this morning i washed my anal area thoroughly with hibiclens. i'm pretty sure my vagina is clear of GBS and didnt want to be sabotaged by my wayward digestive tract!

if i'm **** GBS+ i'm going to do the standard hibiclens rinse (2% - 1oz of the standard 4% in 20oz of water - every 6 hours) during labor. i'm hoping that it wont come to that though. i'm delivering in the hospital and i'm not sure what they'll think of that, so i'll probably keep it under wraps

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Well, the every 6 hours has me beat... My first delivered in 4 1/2 from when I woke up and I have a gut feeling this one will be even faster... I'll ask my midwife about the hibiclens, though. I always get curious about alternatives.

Interesting discussion! I swear, I often do wish all you gals I meet on here lived closer so we could get together!!

Ferretfan... please do share their reaction if they find out!!
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From a Mama with a Babe who had to endure a 2 week NICU stay due to being gbs+ please reconsider the antibiotics. A couple hours of an antibiotic would have been much prefered over what we endured. (including DD having a spinal tap at a little over a day old)

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I did the GBS test last appointment and Ill find out Wednesday if Im positive or not. I was negative with DD.. If I was positive I would probably do the antibotic just to be on the safe side. Thats if I make it to the hospital on time. With DD I checked into the hospital at around 830 and had her before noon so I wouldn't have had enough time to have the antibotics even if I had been positive.

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Well, the every 6 hours has me beat... My first delivered in 4 1/2 from when I woke up and I have a gut feeling this one will be even faster... I'll ask my midwife about the hibiclens, though. I always get curious about alternatives.

Interesting discussion! I swear, I often do wish all you gals I meet on here lived closer so we could get together!!

Ferretfan... please do share their reaction if they find out!!
Pax3, where are you in colorado? I'm in the San Luis Valley in Crestone. LOTS of pregnant crunchy mamas here.
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mama kate -- so sorry! Things like that are always so incredibly difficult! That's why it's so important to read, read, read, though... There are always risks either way and a lot to consider in making our decisions. And for whichever one we do make, we just have to trust it is the right one for us. So I agree with you completely, it is absolutely important to consider both sides!

For DD1 I had a 4 1/2 hour labor so there was no choice for me. By the time I got to the birth center we had an hour. This time we're doing a home birth and expect it to be even faster, so we'll see. I honestly don't think I'd go for the antibiotics even if the situation was different, but I would hardly fault anyone who did. I just loved what the Mothering article basically said regarding -- that those who make the choice to have antibiotics or not are both quite right for themselves in doing so; it's just important that whatever choice we do make is an educated one based on our own thoughts and ideas rather than one made just because we've been told to or scared into it.

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From a Mama with a Babe who had to endure a 2 week NICU stay due to being gbs+ please reconsider the antibiotics. A couple hours of an antibiotic would have been much prefered over what we endured. (including DD having a spinal tap at a little over a day old)
i'm sorry to hear of your babes ordeal in the NICU. the reason i'm refusing the abx during labor is because my husband is allergic to the usual abx and that's too much of a risk to our unborn, also the risk of the babe developing resistant strains of bacteria, and not just GBS, following the IV abx is very real. hibiclens has been shown to be as effective, and safer, for the babe during labor. i have done everything in my power to change my vaginal flora to make it inhabitable for the alkaline loving GBS bacteria. i really tried hard to educate myself over this issue. after being GBS- with dd it's been a real challenge to find a way through this while putting my child at minimal risk.

of course, should i develop any of the other risk factors during labor, like fever or PROM, i will totally reconsider my stance. but until then, abx free is far safer for us
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From a Mama with a Babe who had to endure a 2 week NICU stay due to being gbs+ please reconsider the antibiotics. A couple hours of an antibiotic would have been much prefered over what we endured. (including DD having a spinal tap at a little over a day old)
i'm sorry to hear of your babes ordeal in the NICU. the reason i'm refusing the abx during labor is because my husband is allergic to the usual abx and that's too much of a risk to our unborn, also the risk of the babe developing resistant strains of bacteria, and not just GBS, following the IV abx is very real. hibiclens has been shown to be as effective, and safer, for the babe during labor. i have done everything in my power to change my vaginal flora to make it inhabitable for the alkaline loving GBS bacteria. i really tried hard to educate myself over this issue. after being GBS- with dd it's been a real challenge to find a way through this while putting my child at minimal risk.

of course, should i develop any of the other risk factors during labor, like fever or PROM, i will totally reconsider my stance. but until then, abx free is far safer for us

i'm originally from the uk where they dont routinely test for GBS, and only use IV abx in the event of those risk factors (preterm labor is another). they also dont use the 'scare tactics' there. it's much more laid back.
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From a Mama with a Babe who had to endure a 2 week NICU stay due to being gbs+ please reconsider the antibiotics. A couple hours of an antibiotic would have been much prefered over what we endured. (including DD having a spinal tap at a little over a day old)
Kate, I had a very similar experience, unfortunately - I posted about it in the Kitchen Table thread a while back. My DS spent 10 days in the NICU for GBS Disease & also had spinal taps, etc. It was awful. So since I have the risk factor of a prior baby with GBS, I'm not even getting tested this time, just agreeing to do the abx.

But I have to say, I was very intrigued by that study. I did have SOME abx in my labor with DS, just not the full dose - so I found it interesting that they say that can kill most of the bacteria but leave the stronger, drug-resistant ones. That's sort of what happened - in the first day or two of treatment, my DS was not responding to it and they brought in a specialist to change his abx. Thank God that worked. But I still wondered why that happened - that study explains a lot.

I just hate decisions like this - I always feel like I'm questioning myself no matter what I do!

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