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Meanwhile, the modern anti-vaccination movement, which has become a hobby of upper-middle-class activists and Hollywood celebrities with no time to learn the basic tenets of epidemiologic methods (or even of the scientific process), has used pseudoscience and misinformation to gain far too much influence on our public discourse on child health.
Oh yes...we are all a bunch of bored upper middle class housewives who sit and watch TV celebs all day and listen to only them when it comes to making important medical desicions for our children.

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The MMR vaccine doesn’t hurt kids. Letting them go without it will.
Tell that the the parents of the thousands of parents whose children slipped away or suffered brain damage and death after getting this vaccine...anecdotal or not.

I want to smack this guy......

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What a load of garbage!

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I wish I was upper middle class, sorry I couldn't resist.
Really that is just such BS. :

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Why is it that the opinion of someone who got measles 50 years ago (and survived with no lasting ill effects) is more valid than parents of children with vaccine injury?

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That column has all the trimmings, doesn't it? Anecdotal evidence, the fallacious assertion that anyone who doesn't vaccinate is only scared of autism, dubious safety statistics from the usual sources, etc.

I wonder which pharmaceutical company has this guy on payroll?

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John Kiely, a retired research epidemiologist for the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics,


Oh hey, what do you know?

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36,003 contacts at Glaxo Wellcome Americas Inc


Greg Vydra
Manger, Sales Force Strategy

David Pernock
Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing-Gener

David Stout
President and COO, Pharmaceutical Operations
Looks like he works for Parke-Davis, too.

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There aren't enough angry emoticons for how I feel about this! It is so condescending. I haven't met anyone on this board who isn't/hasn't taken the "time to learn the basic tenets of epidemiologic methods.

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peainthepod, WOW that's some impressive digging up of info

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Actually, sorry to post twice, but let him ask the government to step forward and say everything is safe. Because THEY CAN'T. If they strongly came forward with MMR IS COMPLETELY SAFE they would be accepting RESPONSIBILITY. Never gonna happen. Because they know it isn't safe.
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peainthepod, WOW that's some good digging you did there
Google is awesome sometimes.

My new thing is searching for pharmaceutical company affiliations whenever I read pro-vax pieces like the above. And guess what? With enough digging I almost always find them.

It's pathetic that a person can spend so much money, time, and effort shaping his brain into a keenly powerful machine, capable of doing so much good for the advancement of science...and then advocate something that harms children, all for a few bucks and a pat on the head from some pharmaceutical corporation.

Disgusting.

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Before I met my fiance, I dated a sales rep for GSK. He and I talked about vaccinations and what I thought about them, the research I have done and all that. Needless to say, it was very short lived, he couldn't cope with the fact that I knew more about the products he sold and what adverse effects they had. I also couldn't continue to be taken out on dates with his dirty vaccination GSK paychecks. I felt dirty. LOL

He too, was convinced. He was extremely intelligent, too. Good mind went to waste...
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I wish I was upper middle class, sorry I couldn't resist.
Really that is just such BS. :
Ditto.

I just don't appreciate being thought of as "stupid" because I disagree with the norm

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Looks like he works for Parke-Davis, too.
That's John S. Kiely, probably the son of the guy who wrote the article ( John L. Kiely).

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Oh, my mistake. I guess the whole family is in on the action.

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When the fear-mongering has stopped working, then emotionally manipulate parents by calling them self-indulgent and stupid.

When that fails, it'll be interesting to see what their next tactic will be.

And, as always...follow the money trail. Good sleuthing, peainthepod!
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"I wish I was upper middle class, sorry I couldn't resist."

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I am sure I could write some similar sob-story about my husbands trips to the ER and seizures as a child. Only they would be the result of the DPT.
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I don't think anyone has brought up yet the fact that pneumonia isn't nearly the holy terror it was in the 50s. Now they don't put kids in a plastic tent in complete isolation if they get pneumonia. Even if you're one of those "take them to the doctor for a sniffle" moms, they would only put them in the hospital if breathing treatments at home weren't working. Quit the fearmongering, namecalling, and false representation of parents who are CONCERNED with the toxins put in their childrens' bodies!!!

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MMR doesn't hurt kids, huh ? My bff nearly died from the MMR at 18 months.
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I've seen this argument and the stats that the more education and income a family has, the more likely they are not to vax. Now, why would the more intelligent members of our society be coming to many of the same conclusions?

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So it's just our "HOBBY". And we follow celebrities...... boy he is so off base.

Upper middle class?? Please someone show me that paycheck.

He's calling for Washington to take a stand, well guess what the anti-vax movement is already there pushing in ever so slowly and we'll never keep our mouths shut. The more vaccines BigPharma puts out the worse it will get.

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interesting. an article with very few actual facts accusing me of not doing my research. somebody seems to have their undies in a bunch.
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if i am upper middle class this country is in serious trouble. dp and i are 21 and 24, neither of us has finished college (to be fair i am working on it though lol), i am a sahm, and dp works for verizon as an installation technician. we have an apt in northern virginia and between rent, utilities, and groceries we barely make it... and my parents help us out as long as i am in school. so um way to go on that research there buddy.
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I am totally upper-middle class!


.... Oh wait, that was a dream I had last night. Drats.


I can't let this stuff bother me too much. I'm used to the opposition. If I were to let opposition to everything I do get to me I'd be a total basket case. I have stopped caring what others think. Especially when the "information" they provide is so obviously false.

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And why is that? Because since 1998 the idea that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine causes autism has scared them away.
Yep, that's it. He has me figured out. Just that sentence alone had me stop reading. I love how he speaks for me.

And to the "upper middle class". Yeah, right, that's us. Maybe if it was 1950.

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And why is that? Because since 1998 the idea that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine causes autism has scared them away.

Yep, that's it. He has me figured out.
Considering that in 1998 I was in 10th grade and the FARTHEST thing from my mind was vaccines causing my children autism, I think he's a little off!

Ditto on "upper middle class". HA

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they are trying to manipulate people in to vaccinating - the thing they "claim" is happening is exactly what they are doing... it's the peopel who listen that garbage who aren't educating themselves
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I'll have to let dh know that we are now considered Upper Middle Class. He will feel so much better! lol

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I would like to know how you can be 'upper middle class' AND be on medicaid? Its an interesting idea, but that would imply that we have universal healthcare... and I'm PRETTY SURE that last I checked, that was definetly *NOT* the case!!

Just for the record, in 1998 I was 14... and definetly, babies and vaccines were about teh farthest thing from my mind possible!!

Ugh. What a disgusting, condescending, utterly unhelpful article. UGH!!
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i was 11 in 1998. i think all of have officially proved that whole theory totally wrong. lol
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Oh, yes, I am just so bored and into this anti-vax hobby of mine...

What a canard! I am insulted.

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I read an article by the AAP or CDC, I can't remember which, talking about the "no-vax" problem. It said that in the past under-vaxed kids came from low income, low education, minority families but this "new breed" of non-vaxers is coming from more educated, higher income families. I think it really gets their goat that our decisions are not random but informed.

I'll see if I can find that article.
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