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#1 of 7 Old 01-08-2009, 12:34 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Hello all you wonderful mommies out there!!
I need your reassurance if possible and most definitely all your opinions and critisism.

I have always been a very "natural" person, studying homeopathic medicine, living an organic lifestyle and raising my daughter in a manner that i would consider natural.

My daughter had her first 2 vaccinations, at birth and at 2 months...i fell under pressure and i deeply regret it, from that point on i made the bold decision not vaccinate any further (she is now 16 months) and to not vaccinate any future children. My mother is supportive of my decision, my husband isnt saying very much and of course all of my mommy friends, health nurses and doctors are giving me the in and outs and evil glares...

Basically i have spent hours, days pouring over information on the internet, and i find myself questioning my choices and and unable to make a decision. I come from a small town and i dont know a single person who lives the naturopathic lifestyle i have chosen and i dont know a single person who has decided not to vaccinate!
Do you think im doing the right thing? and if you do can you tell me why!? Does anyone have any good resources on why we shouldnt vaccinate our beautiful children!?

Also, my wee one wasnt sick a day until the last 2 months, she has had 3 very bad viruses in 2 months, they all happened coincedently after a play visit with her friends! I have her on vitamin c, multi vitamin, probiotics, omega and salba supplement, she is still breastfeeding almost every 3hrs and when she does eat table food its always vegetables, fuit and proteins and gluten free grains.
I feel like im doing things right but when she gets sick like this i question how strong her immune system is...maybe she has a weak immune system and maybe i should vaccinate for this reason? BLAH im so confused, this is definitely the hardest thing about parenting and when you have no one really on your side and every pointing their fingers it makes things so much harder.

Ok, well thanks mommies, i hope to hear that im doing the right thing, but if you dont think i am please do tell, and if you have any suggestions as to why she keeps getting sick please do tell!

i dont want to take her to the doctors because he keeps wanting her on antibiotics, so far i have her on the above, along with electrolytes, green food ecchinacea and GSE!

thanks! and happy holidays
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Basically i have spent hours, days pouring over information on the internet, and i find myself questioning my choices and and unable to make a decision.
I know how you feel. It is hard to make a decision when there is so much conflicting information. Also keep in mind that days of pouring over info won't cut it. I have been pouring over info for almost 4 years and learn new things every day. Keep at the research because there is SOOOO much out there that is not mainstream knowledge.

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Do you think im doing the right thing? and if you do can you tell me why!? Does anyone have any good resources on why we shouldnt vaccinate our beautiful children!?
IMO yes I think you are absolutley doing the right thing!! Here is a list of sites I found helpful in my vaccine research

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccines.htm
http://www.*********/vaccines/n.html
http://thinktwice.com/Dutch.pdf
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/
http://poisonevercure.150m.com/aluminum_hydroxide.htm
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20050717.htm
http://www.novaccine.com
http://www.sayingnotovaccines.com
http://www.vaclib.org/indexdoc.htm#legal
http://www.nvic.org
http://www.nmaseminars.com/AboutDrT.html
http://thinktwice.com/
http://www.chetday.com/vaccinationmyths.htm
http://insidevaccines.com/
http://www.vaccinenation.net/
http://www.knowvaccines.com/
http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/flu.html
http://vaccinationnews.com/
http://www.vaccinerights.com/
http://www.vierascheibner.com/
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/..._pink_full.htm
http://clinicaltrials.gov/
http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/
http://idontvaccinate.com/

There are also many good books out there with lots of great info. I highly reccomend "Saying no to vaccines" Dr. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. Her website is above. (also check out the stickies for more titles)

For any concerned person that can resist the fear mongering, lies and misinformation that are shoved down our throats by ill informed docottor and greedy phamaceutical companies and corrupt governenment agencies, there is plenty of scientific support out there documenting the harmful effects of vaccines. Hundreds of articles and opinions of respected MD's. It's all there, one just needs to dig beneath the surface

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I feel like im doing things right but when she gets sick like this i question how strong her immune system is...maybe she has a weak immune system and maybe i should vaccinate for this reason?
Kids get sick from time to time. A healthy immune system doesn't mean a child will NEVER fall ill. What it means is that when they do fall ill they are better equipped to deal with it. Besdies there are no vaccines for random viruses and vaccinating her will only further weaken her immune system. read this article by Dr. Harold Buttram about how vaccines effect the immune system. This article specifically talks about the MMR but it does discuss vaccines in general as well

http://vacinfo.org/Buttram.pdf

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i dont want to take her to the doctors because he keeps wanting her on antibiotics
Why would they give antibiotics for a virus...they'd be useless anyway. The only reason Id take her to a MD is to have her lungs listened to if she were congested to make sure a secondary infection doesn't set in. If you have worries maybe think about finding a naturopath to look after your child.

Listen to your mommy instincts. They are there to protect your child and should never be ignored. If your feel in your heart that vaccinating is not for you than there is a reason you feel this way. I understand your concerns about your LO getting sick, but vaccinating against childhood diseases will not prevent her from getting sick sometimes. Sounds like you are doing everything right!! I hope she feels better soon. I have another sugesstion, but PM me for it

If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson.

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I think you've answered some of your own questions, mama.

Humans have to build an immune system. It's built by healthy lifestyle and it is strengthened every time we get sick. You're right for refusing abx, they won't do anything against viruses, only tax her body even more. In all actuality she might have picked something up from her recently vax'ed friends.

There are no vax's against every little virus. Whenever I have self-questioning thoughts, I think would I rather have child with cp, flu or would I rather have a child with a chronic, auto-immune condition? For me, the answer is clear.
We're really doing two of the best things for our children. Protecting them from questionable substances that are known toxins AND making sure our kids get the best start in life (bf'ing, nutrition, etc.) The majority of vax people I know, just vax. No nutrition, no healthy lifestyle, etc.

Last but not least, my favorite resource on not vaxing is VAERS. I go there, type in a vax and look through all the horrible reactions. Keep in mind only 10% or so are reported. Most are written of as coincidences.

You're doing the write thing!!!

ETA: I found Dr. Mendelsohn's book "How to raise a healthy child in spite of your doctor" a wonderful read in moments of doubt.
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marnica thank you for being such a beautiful person and taking the time to find all those resources! and thank you kiara for the reassurance, and im looking for that book!
you both have really instilled some faith, faith that i need to have in myself as a mother to know im doing the right thing! and wow you mommies know what you are talking about

here goes my studying!!:
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I can't add too many more good resources but I just like to add: I think your doing the right thing because it feels deep down to the core like right to you. That's all I really need when I start to question my decisions. Be strong mama, your instincts won't fail you.

Austin June 2006; Xander March 2008; Shay Nov 2009; 5 babies gone to heaven.
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I'm sorry you've had to deal with such stress from outside sources and from doubting yourself. I only have two things to add to PP.

1) In the vast majority of circumstances, the *last* thing you want to do to an immuno-compromised child is load them up with vaccines. Kids get sick, it's the way it is. I trust that my children who have never had their immune system *unnaturally* taxed by vaccines will be able to fight off most viruses by themselves. We live on a farm, so just the act of living builds up their immune system plenty.

2) I've taken the tack of just not telling people we don't immunize. If I was asked straight out, I'd base my answer on how things felt at the time. If it's confrontational, I'll just bow out of the convo and say I don't discuss that. If it's friendly/interested in info, I'll answer forthrightly. But I certainly don't volunteer it. I'm not as outspoken about this issue as say, bf, circing, co-sleeping, because it's an issue that is so easily 'CPS'ed'.

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Here is a link to a video that helped me feel confident in my choice to not vax. It's long, but so worth it!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...15212287981735
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