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DS in 2.5 and I'm thinking we might do preschool a few mornings a week in the fall. We do not have a medical or religious exemption (NJ allows those 2). Do I just call and ask?

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Likely you will have to file a religious exemption if you want to use a licensed daycare. Even if the teachers and staff are cool with not vaxing, they do have paperwork requirements (either vax record or exemption).

If you do not want to file an exemtion, you will likely need an unregistered childcare situation--something in home (although many in home daycare are also licensed), or a nanny/babysitter.

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NO.

if the preschool gets any kind of public funds, they have to accept your religious exemption. do not call around and ask, do not bring attention to the issue. no preschool is going to advertise that they are "okay" with non vaxers attending their school.

when you are asked for your sons shot records, you type up a religious exemption yourself. that is what i did. you hand that in, act like it is nothing, like it is as normal as a shot record. i found some sample religious exemptions online, i googled a lot. this was a year ago, i dont remember the site i got it off of.

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My reasons aren't religious so I don't feel comfortable using that as an exemption... sigh.

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You have to sign a religious exemption. That's your only option. All schools require signed exemptions if your child attends and doesn't have a vax record.

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My reasons aren't religious so I don't feel comfortable using that as an exemption... sigh.

neither are mine. but its either that, or inject your child with a bunch of toxins. which do you prefer?

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neither are mine. but its either that, or inject your child with a bunch of toxins. which do you prefer?
Or home school I suppose. We go to free library programs now, maybe we'll do gymnastics or something like that in addition. Its just that we *are* religious and I can't use that with a clear conscious at this time.

Anyone have a good link to a religious exemption letter? Or a thread that talks about it? (We're Christian, Catholic, so from that angle would be best).

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Some states, like NY(contact Gary Krasner for help -- On the NYS form they request that your letter:

-explains why are you are requesting the exemption
-describes the religious principles that guide your objection to vaxes
-indicates whether you are opposed to all vaxes, and if not, why you are opposed to some vaxes but not others

As long as your letter covered those 3 points then they shouldn't ask for any "supporting evidence".)


and NJ allow the state to question the sincerity of your beliefs; the following is VERY important.



-For a religious exemption you need to be "against the practice of vaccination". If you give your reasons to be against vaccinations as:

"I'm against vaccination because they use aborted fetal cells" - This is a philosophical reason.

"I'm against pre-marital sex and some vaxes are for sexually transmitted diseases." This is a philosophical reason.

Again, you have to be against the the practice of vaccination. For a more through explanation of why this is read the Wexler decision below.

-Also, you DO NOT have to be a member of a religion doctrinally opposed to vaccination. You can be Wiccan, Lutheran, Catholic, Jewish, church of the flip flops, and still claim a religious exemption do to your personal religious beliefs against the practice of vaccination. Dr. Mercola does a good job of explaining this in my Religious Exemptions link below (you may have to register to read it).

-One more thing, you do not want to include specific biblical verses as your interpretation could be challenged. You need to describe your personal religious beliefs.



-Require that all questions regarding your exemption be in writing and give answers in writing. Do not give verbal responses.

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Religious Exemptions

The Wexler Decision

To find out what exemptions are offered by your state (for school and such) check here:
http://www.nvic.org/state-site/state-exemptions.htm

http://www.novaccine.com/law-exemptions/



All states except West Virginia and Mississippi offer religious and/or philosophical exemptions, and the supreme court ruled that you do not have to belong to a non-vaxing religion or have clergy sign your religious exemption. Exemptions can be submitted in lieu of vaccination records (I would do it this way).



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State mandatory vaccination laws have their roots in the 1905 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Jacobsen v Massachusetts. A Swedish Lutheran pastor, Reverend Henning Jacobsen and his son objected to a law requiring revaccination with smallpox vaccine because they had suffered severe reactions to the first vaccination. The nine Supreme Court justices at the turn of the century denied Jacobsen and his lawyers the right to present scientific evidence for harm caused by the smallpox vaccine, preferring to believe the lawyers representing public health officials who convinced them that doctors could predict ahead of time who would be injured by vaccination.
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A US Federal Court ruling (binding on NY only) that determined that you do not have to belong to a particular religion to use a religious exemption is:
Sherr v. Northport-East Northport Union Free Sch. Dist., 672 F. Supp. 81, 89-90 (E.D. N.Y. 1987)
http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/consent.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/...es_chptr13.htm


Sample Religious Exemption Letter

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To whom it may concern;



(We / I) {First and Last name(s)}, as the {(parent (s) / guardian(s)} of ______________________(name of newborn child) are exercising (our/my) rights under the US Constitution, PUBLIC HEALTH LAW, ARTICLE 21. CONTROL OF ACUTE COMMUNICABLE DISEASES,TITLE VI. POLIOMYELITIS AND OTHER DISEASES, NY CLS Pub Health § 2164 (2002), to receive Religious Exemption from Vaccination, ALL injections, prophylaxis, & testing due to our genuine and sincere religious beliefs which are contrary to the practices herein required.

The U.S. Supreme Court held in Frazee V. Illinois Dept. of Security, 489 U.S. 829, that a religious belief is subject to protection even though no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not advocate or require such belief. This ruling is also reflected in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as amended Nov. 1, 1980; Part 1605.1-Guidelines on Discrimination Because of Religion.



Sincerely,

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