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Old 03-27-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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While I think it is cooincidental. It is NOT an off the wall thought at all.
I agree. I think vaccines cause mild injury to many children, but I think the alertness, or lack of alertness, has to do with a combination of vaccination status, genes, stimulation, and breast vs. bottle.

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Ds is 8 months old and ever since he was born, we have been getting the same remark over and over about him from different folks here and there that we come in contact with. (Especially random strangers at stores and such) They comment on how 'alert' he is and how strong his eye contact and focus is.... like he is really studying their faces. At first I thought, that's odd, what are most babies, unresponsive? ds is the only baby I have really ever been around so I have nothing to compare him to. We got the comment again yesterday from a neighbor and it got me wondering if it has anything to do with the fact that he has never received any vaccines? Am I really off the wall here, or is it possible that the majority of babies out there are not so 'alert' because most of them have been vaxed over and over again? Has anyone had any experience in this area or witnessed what I am describing?

No, you are not off the wall. Think about it. Either a baby can be sitting there observing the world around him, or he can be sitting there processing tons of chemicals and toxic ingredients through his brain. Add some formula to the mix, and that baby has to exert all available mental energy to digesting foreign proteins and processing chemicals.

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No, you are not off the wall. Think about it. Either a baby can be sitting there observing the world around him, or he can be sitting there processing tons of chemicals and toxic ingredients through his brain. Add some formula to the mix, and that baby has to exert all available mental energy to digesting foreign proteins and processing chemicals.
Don't forget about TV!! I have met many a dazed baby that sits in front of the TV starting at a week old, for hours at a time...

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I usually try to not to greatly attribute individual temperament characteristics to something I've done either well or not well from a parenting standpoint, because when I think it's because of something I did well, it usually comes back to bite me in the butt at some point. I have two very different children parented in the same home environment - actually, my more intense, less social baby is the one who was raised "more AP/NFL" on paper than her brother....just something to chew on. I parent the way I do because I value the relationship it creates and maintains between me and my kids...not because I think it's going to make them turn out "better" than kids who aren't parented similarly.

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DD unvaxed has gotten the alert comment since she was about 10 minutes old. a few cousins got the same exact comment, and they are vaxed. i dont think your post was off the wall either.
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Am I really off the wall here, or is it possible that the majority of babies out there are not so 'alert' because most of them have been vaxed over and over again? Has anyone had any experience in this area or witnessed what I am describing?
In my experience, the alert baby compliment is a fairly typical one. I got that a lot with my first who was vaxed and with whom I had an epidural. I always assumed the alertness early on was related to medicated births and the effect of the epidural drugs in the systems of the babies. But my second daughter was birthed and home and not vaxed, so she didn't get the alert comment much. She was a really sleepy, lazy baby, and big for her age, which was what people usually mentioned (or, conversely, people with large babies would comment she seemed small).

I honestly think that babies have different personalities and temperaments right from the beginning. My first daughter was kind of hypertonic, and then later on was the kind of child who really liked to observe without getting involved. I always had to be out with her in the sling so she could see new things. My second daughter was this lazy little slug, and once she learned to walk, she went off and did her own thing wherever she was, and seemed content. But the older she got, the more and more into things and deconstructive she became, and she's kind of a wild child now.
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No, you are not off the wall. Think about it. Either a baby can be sitting there observing the world around him, or he can be sitting there processing tons of chemicals and toxic ingredients through his brain.
When I had a bad vaccine reaction as an adult, I understood what it was like to have to deal with the injury. It is very distracting to say the least and the body pulls it's resources together to ward of the injury. The energy needed to do so does take away from the overall functioning. Therefore I think this is a valid point.

Certainly, there are vaccinated children who have fought off the toxins from the vaccines well and are doing well. Of course one will never know what the child would have been like otherwise because once the vaccines and all their foreign substances enter the body, they don't like to leave.

There is a huge range of vaccine injury and much of that goes unnoticed because it is chalked up to other conditions. If vaccines can have a strong influence on the development of autism, then there must be a wide range of potiential damage some of which would not be recognized by a vast majority of people on a surface level.

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