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this was in my inbox this morning and wanted to share...

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Greetings!
The article in the Los Angeles Times this morning has generated a lot of discussion and I was asked to respond.

Unvaccinated children do not pose a threat to vaccinated children or their families.

We all have a responsibility to keep each other's children safe. Choosing to not vaccinate or choosing an alternative vaccine schedule could be considered a rift in that contract. Medically, scientifically and statistically speaking, it is not. Honest people might disagree.

I have been a pediatrician for thirty years and have watched children receive all scheduled vaccines, some of the vaccines or receive no vaccines at all. I have seen every one of the illnesses against which we vaccinate. The last time I saw bacterial meningitis in a child was 1982 but the extreme rarity of this terrible disease means that it makes the news whenever a case occurs. Denying that childhood meningitis exists is dishonest. Equally dishonest is implying that it is a large threat to any of our children. I see kids with pertussis every year. I see children misdiagnosed with whooping cough far more often. Two years ago, the New York Times took note of this phenomenon:

http://tinyurl.com/dnl78m (New York Times article)

2009 marks the thirty year anniversary of the last case of "wild polio" in the United States. Subsequent cases were caused by the oral polio vaccine which is no longer used in this country.

http://www.polioeradication.org/casecount.asp (WHO/CDC supported site)

Rubella is no longer an "American" disease .

http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r050321.htm (CDC Press Conference)

I recently read an article, written in 2009 which chastised non-vaccinating parents because there had been 131 cases of measles in the U.S. in the first half of 2008 alone. And how many cases were there in the whole year? 134. The usual number? 62. Disingenuous reporting. An extra 72 cases of measles among 300,000,000 Americans made the papers every day or two for months and the LA Times writers dredge up the child who caught measles on a Swiss vacation one more time.

Yes, as mentioned, measles and other viruses can cause encephalitis. It's very, very rare. Implying otherwise could scare parents.

And, no, the law does not allow us to know which children have not received vaccines any more than it allows other invasions of privacy.

I have received hundreds of emails from people all over the country and the world reaching out to me and asking me to listen to them about vaccine issues and injuries because it seems that no one else will. I have permission from a mother to forward email she sent to me-with a picture-of her four month old daughter who received four vaccines and died shortly thereafter. I have dozens and dozens of similar emails and dozens of face-to-face encounters in my office with parents coming to me after what they considered to be vaccine damage to their children. I will not forward that email. It creates a different kind of fear that also doesn't serve the dialogue well.

I think that these possibly injured children and families represent one end of the bell shaped curve and that scary stories about meningitis in Minnesota (the first there in 18 years) represent the other end. (I do feel that the former end of the curve is far fuller than the latter but no proof exists. None.)

The LA Times stories were "fear-based" just as my forwarding these emails would have been.

The University of Michigan Law Review recently invited me to write a journal article about vaccines and tort law and you can read it here:

http://www.michiganlawreview.org/fir...07/stewart.htm

I sum up my law review presentation to parents every winter by telling them that the only way to avoid childhood illnesses is "reverse isolation" of your illness-free child. If you go to a two-year-old's birthday party during the winter months . . . You will probably get sick.

Peripherally, let's all remember that it took fifty years or more, thousands of court cases and a lot of money to finally prove the connection between cigarettes and cancer. The three court cases showing no connection between vaccines and autism should make no headlines and should be an impetus to honest investigative journalism.

We have increased the number of vaccines and the combinations of vaccines given to babies and children. Adequate testing has not been done. I have seen a huge rise in the number of children with autism. Neither I nor any other doctors are hundreds of percent better at diagnosing this spectrum of developmental delay than ten or twenty years ago. The dramatic rise in the number of cases of autism spectrum disorders is attributable to something other than "reclassification" or better diagnosis.

While waiting for scientific proof, we have to tolerate families' completely legal and scientific desire to have or not have their children given vaccines according to the current schedule.
Best,

Jay

http://www.drjaygordon.com
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Wish they were all as tolerant as he is!

If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson.

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Man, if only I could find a doctor HALF as tolerant as his is, I would be one happy mommy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks! Does he have an e-newsletter? If so, I must get me on that list.

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he does. if you go to drjaygordon.com, he has a ton of resources.
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Thank you for the post. It is great news!

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Wow. THAT is an awesome email. How cool!

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wait .. a doctor who actually speaks the truth about vaccines and VAD? Really? there's a first .. nonetheless, he sounds awesome!! Thanks for the link to his site!!

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I love Dr. Jay :

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Does anyone else think it's odd that almost everything he says sounds against vaxes, but then he recommends them? I feel like if I listened to all of his analysis, I would for sure decide not to vax, so his conclusion to vax confuses me.
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in his office, its more like you have the option to vax rather than you have the option NOT to vax.
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Does anyone else think it's odd that almost everything he says sounds against vaxes, but then he recommends them? I feel like if I listened to all of his analysis, I would for sure decide not to vax, so his conclusion to vax confuses me.
What? Have you been to his office? He says that he only gave his own children a few vax (DTP I think), but that now he doesn't even recommend that one. If you go to that group, it is like you can vaccinate if you want, but it's not what he recommends.
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Does anyone else think it's odd that almost everything he says sounds against vaxes, but then he recommends them? I feel like if I listened to all of his analysis, I would for sure decide not to vax, so his conclusion to vax confuses me.
He has posted here in the past. Reading between the lines, I think he is becoming more and more anti-vax as time goes on.

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What? Have you been to his office? He says that he only gave his own children a few vax (DTP I think), but that now he doesn't even recommend that one. If you go to that group, it is like you can vaccinate if you want, but it's not what he recommends.
I have never been to his office, but here is what he says on his website regarding his stance on vaccines:

In my office, with families I know well, I believe that the main idea I convey is that we should vaccinate later and slower. One shot at a visit starting later in the first year and perhaps in the second year of life.

He takes a much more conservative approach with vaccinations than most doctors, but he is still pro-vaccine. That is what I was saying was confusing... he says all this negative stuff about vaccines and their unknown side effects, but then still recommends them.
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Great e-mail. Rational and balanced.
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A bit OT, but have any of you seen his DVD? Where have you found that he doesn't even suggest the DTaP anymore?
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I have never been to his office, but here is what he says on his website regarding his stance on vaccines:

In my office, with families I know well, I believe that the main idea I convey is that we should vaccinate later and slower. One shot at a visit starting later in the first year and perhaps in the second year of life.

He takes a much more conservative approach with vaccinations than most doctors, but he is still pro-vaccine. That is what I was saying was confusing... he says all this negative stuff about vaccines and their unknown side effects, but then still recommends them.
His website is not up to date.
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The more I hear of Dr. Jay, the more natural-minded he seems to have become... in conversations people have had with him. Which I won't post the details of because that's second-hand info & I don't want to mischaracterize his positions, since obviously he can speak to the general public himself. He is someone I do think positively of, for sure. But I do wish he would keep his website a bit more up-to-date...

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His website is not up to date.
Ah, good to know! I'm sure you can understand my confusion, given what it says. I would love for him to update his site. I have friends and family looking into the vax issue, and he is so clear and well-presented, that I would like them to go look at his site for information. But I think they might get confused, like I did.
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He twitters and takes question.
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He twitters and takes question.
What do you mean?
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Wow, that was a refreshing email to read from a ped. Unfortunately, I'm related to a very pro-vax ped and have to lie to him that we vax (we don't) to keep him off of our back. He's crazy enough that he would call CPS on me.
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What do you mean?
He's on twitter and you can send him twits..if that makes sense.
You can look him up here:
http://twitter.com
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I sorely wish this guy was my pedi. I would be one very, very happy camper.
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He's on twitter and you can send him twits..if that makes sense.
You can look him up here:
http://twitter.com
Oh, can't be tempted by another online social network... but gee, soooo tempted. (hhmmm, wonder if he's on facebook!).

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This was from last year, but I can't believe that he's saying that perhaps we all need to PAUSE with vaxing. That is a big statement! My mouth dropped wide open. I am one of those people who need an 'authority' to lead me in the right way sometimes, rather than me totally following my instinct and also believing myself, that what i myself, "just a mom", have researched and found is good enough in this big medical world.

http://www.drjaygordon.com/developme...s/vacc2008.asp
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This was from last year, but I can't believe that he's saying that perhaps we all need to PAUSE with vaxing. That is a big statement! My mouth dropped wide open. I am one of those people who need an 'authority' to lead me in the right way sometimes, rather than me totally following my instinct and also believing myself, that what i myself, "just a mom", have researched and found is good enough in this big medical world.

http://www.drjaygordon.com/developme...s/vacc2008.asp
Wow, thanks for that link. I hadn't seen that. Very refreshing I must say.

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