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For those looking for a natural exposure to measles for their kids there are cases in at least 3 states. Of course they are whipping up a panic and calling for people to be vaxed. Even worse they are blaming cases on people from outside the US claiming the vaccine has wiped out measles. I think they are wrong and this goes around in the US just like it does anywhere else. Any info people have on this so called outbreak should be shared so that those looking for natural immunity can find it.
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Oh- the HORROR of those dreaded measles!
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Also in Virginia now too.

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For those looking for a natural exposure to measles for their kids there are cases in at least 3 states. Of course they are whipping up a panic and calling for people to be vaxed. Even worse they are blaming cases on people from outside the US claiming the vaccine has wiped out measles. I think they are wrong and this goes around in the US just like it does anywhere else. Any info people have on this so called outbreak should be shared so that those looking for natural immunity can find it.
I live in Iowa, near where the measles "outbreak" is. The newspaper I work at got about a dozen press releases from the local hospital detailing the kid's whereabouts before he was diagnosed. It included about 3 public easter egg hunts, a five hour trek through a Walmart and 1-2 3 hour sessions at a Burger King including the play area. People are *freaking* out and its crazy.
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IOWA Health Dept has issued an "emergency public health threat."

That is just laughable. :
We're talking measles not Ebola! Sheesh.

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HUH??? As far as I know, measles never left PA. We had them here since the 90's that I know of personally. Wiped out since when?!
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HUH??? As far as I know, measles never left PA. We had them here since the 90's that I know of personally. Wiped out since when?!
What gets me is they always blame any measles cases in the US on someone from another country. I am sure there are many cases of measles going around in the US that go unreported.
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Also in Virginia now too.
Is there any way to get people reporting when and where cases are happening for those who might want an exposure to the measles a heads up on where to looK? This might be useful for those trying to avoid exposure as well.
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Is it really true that there are 200,000 deaths from measles per year worldwide? I know heard that figure somewhere
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Is it really true that there are 200,000 deaths from measles per year worldwide? I know heard that figure somewhere
The figures they give vary so much, I am sure that the people who do die of measles either are victims of improper health care during the illness, or have an underlying condition such as being malnourished. To be blunt most people who die from measles are in 3rd world countries where they have little access to healthy food and water. As a result they die from malnutrition NOT measles. I honestly feel this is a deliberate population control effort various agencies. Another scary thought is that a child in America might die from the same underlying cause malnourishment if they caught measles because there is little or no nutritional value to the processed diet that many people in the US eat.
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Death from measles is because of a Vitamin A deficiency, which health organizations acknowledge, or from an additional underlying health issue.

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The figures they give vary so much, I am sure that the people who do die of measles either are victims of improper health care during the illness, or have an underlying condition such as being malnourished. To be blunt most people who die from measles are in 3rd world countries where they have little access to healthy food and water. As a result they die from malnutrition NOT measles. I honestly feel this is a deliberate population control effort various agencies. Another scary thought is that a child in America might die from the same underlying cause malnourishment if they caught measles because there is little or no nutritional value to the processed diet that many people in the US eat.
im with you on that
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Is it really true that there are 200,000 deaths from measles per year worldwide? I know heard that figure somewhere
95% of deaths and cases occur in 3rd world countries, where children are so malnourished they die from complications from the measles such as dehydration (from the fever or diarrhea). In a healthy child with access to clean water and food, its next to impossible to die from any complications since our bodies were designed to fight diseases like this, and in return create anti-bodies for our future children transmitted through the placenta and breastmilk. The 5% of deaths that occur in developed countries are usually in the elderly with weak immune systems (who werent already exposed as children), ADULTS (which actually have the highest complication rate since this disease was meant to be caught in childhood to strengthen our immune systems as adults), and in rare cases, children with comprised immune systems such as those with HIV or AIDS.

the 200,000 figure is a scare tactic commonly used by the CDC, big pharma and pediatricians. While yes its true, like i mentioned above, 95% of that 200,000 is happening in impovershed countries were children are dying of the common cold, and very simple things that we dont even bat an eye at here in the US and other developed countries (like dehydration, starvation, etc).

I also find it funny that every one is running around like chickens without their heads over these outbreaks, but yet, when you do ever hear of a measles death? They are so quick to say how dangerous and deadly this disease is, but seriously, when do you ever hear about a death in these cases in the US? I also find it funny how these cases pop up out of nowhere and they are so quick to blame unvaccinated children and children from other countries, did they ever stop to think that maybe it was one of their own vaccinated children spreading it? afterall, it is a LIVE virus in the vaccine which we all know can be contagious. The CDC admits children vaccinated against pertussis are suseptical of spreading the disease around, so why is this any different?

p.s. i would love to get my children exposed but we live nowhere near those states unfortunatly. People assume i dont vax because i dont think my kids will ever come in contact with the virus when the opposite is true. I WANT my kids exposed, to strengthen their immune systems, create natural lifelong immunity, and to create protection for my daughters future unborn babies. If only....
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Another scary thought is that a child in America might die from the same underlying cause malnourishment if they caught measles because there is little or no nutritional value to the processed diet that many people in the US eat.
I think this is actually a very valid concern. I think vitamin A deficiency in young kids is a lot more common in the US than people think, and if measles were to start spreading more in the US, I think the death rate would be higher than it was in, say, the 1950s or 1960s, because of the undernourishment problem we have. It's not on the same scale as Africa, where kids don't have either enough calories or enough nutrients, but I think this is real. Which would then, of course, be interpreted as us _needing_ the measles vaccine, when instead, like most of these illnesses, we need to understand what our bodies need for good health, and provide that.
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I also find it funny how these cases pop up out of nowhere and they are so quick to blame unvaccinated children and children from other countries, did they ever stop to think that maybe it was one of their own vaccinated children spreading it? afterall, it is a LIVE virus in the vaccine which we all know can be contagious. The CDC admits children vaccinated against pertussis are suseptical of spreading the disease around, so why is this any different?
It's a very simple quick test to differentiate between wild-type and vaccine. As you can see here
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A current Journal of Infectious Diseases study (JID 192:1686-93) used brain tissue and measles virus typing to determine whether the measles vaccine strain or natural measles virus infection was responsible for these cases of SSPE.

To do this, they took brain tissue from 11 patients diagnosed with SSPE, performed reverse-transcriptase PCR (necessary because measles is an RNA virus), and analyzed the sequences of the PCR products in order to determine the genotype of the measles virus. (Measles has 22 known genotypes; the vaccine strain, for example, is genotype A). None of the sequences matched the genotype A viruses--the vaccine was not causing SSPE.

However, based on their data, they do suggest that the risk of SSPE from measles was underestimated using older data. Using estimates of measles virus infection in the 1960s and 70s, a 1982 paper suggested that SSPE occurred in ~8.5 cases/million measles virus infections. Estimates from the current JID paper put it at closer to 6.5-11 cases of SSPE per 100,000 cases of measles--7-13 times higher than the earlier estimates.
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