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The diseases we vaccinate for don't really scare me. I figure my kids may or may not get them, but we'll just deal with them if she does. I focus more on healthy living and building up our immune systems.

But, I know that even for some non-vaxers, there are diseases that really scare them for some reason. I figure even of the ones that scare me, the vaccine scares me more!

Care to share which worry you and why?

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I'm with you. I'm not too worried about most things. Now that my boys have gotten older. I was a bit worried about the things like pertussis that can be more dangerous with a really little one. My completely unvaxed son has had chicken pox and he had such and easy time with it. I know his immune system is working great. I was talking to DH last night and I mentioned how I would actually like our DS's to get measles since it has been shown to boost the immune system.

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Honestly, the only time I worry is when the news is over-sensationalizing stuff.

They were all breastfed for at least two years, we don't do school or day care, and we try to eat well and limit junk foods. Overall they are pretty healthy I think.

My five range in age from almost 9yo down to 4mo and none of them have contracted diseases that they could have been vaxxed for.

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The only thing that scares me is menengitis which I know is not a disease in and of itself.

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All of them and none of them KWIM. I fear/respect all germs the same, whether there is a vax or not. There are far to many germs out there that I could go crazy if I worried about them all. I just hope for the best and try to give my DD the best possible immune system.

What scares me more are the diseases which have no cure, like crohn's disease or athsma. Not caused by a germ but very scary.

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Good Question!
I am worried about the ones I could vaccinate for and that could end up being deadly (Tetanus, Measels). In the end I have to accept what's coming and trust that things will be ok.
As my friend said: Whether you vaccinate or not things can happen and you might have to sit down with your hurt child and tell him/her that you tried your best to make the decision that made the most sense for this child/family.

Measels scare me because even my non-vax doctors says that the virus has changed and that is used to be harmless but is much more severe now. It could be that the vax virus mutated together with the wild version and caused this stronger virus OR that the use of fever reducers has caused the increase in SSPE as the immune system can not effectively destroy the invader.

Otherwise I am worried about cancer since my extended family has had way too many cases in the last few years (dad:terminal colon cancer, cousin: breast cancer, aunt: multible Myelom (sp?)).

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I don't think I worry about diseases that much. Like other mom's I would like then to get these illnesses as children to boost their immune system and give natural immunity.

My 4 yo seems to have mumps right now and it is seriously no big deal. He had a cold with a puffed out face on one side. He did cry one night 2-3 times from his face hurting so I just cuddled him in bed rubing his back and he would fall asleep fast. I gave him lots of fermented cod liver oil, sodium ascorbate, sambucol, homemade chicken soup and the puffiness was gone in less than 2 days. I am wondering if dd has it because she had a fever yesterday for a bit and cold symptoms.

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Well-it's funny cuz the things that scare me are mostly not vaccine preventable (Mrsa, stuff like that)

The only "disease" that really scares me is tetanus- but I don't fear that my children will get it. Just the thought of it is pretty scary.
I really don't worry about it though.
That being said- that is the only one that should there be an injury that didnt bleed and I thought was worth it- we'd get the tig. but I would have a REALLY hard time w/ it.
I guess i just look at it as the same as like rabies. If my child was bit by an animal that we thgouth to have rabies- I'd get the rabies series.

I can't tell u what DOESN'T scare me-
pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, flus- and even polio really.
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The only thing that scares me is menengitis which I know is not a disease in and of itself.
Can you explain? This is the one that scares me and would love to hear more about that.

Non of others scare me but after Oprah yesterday I have to say that the non-vax diseases seam even more scary! They covered flesh eating bacteria (staph) and MRSA. CRAZY

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Good Question!
I am worried about the ones I could vaccinate for and that could end up being deadly (Tetanus, Measels). In the end I have to accept what's coming and trust that things will be ok.
As my friend said: Whether you vaccinate or not things can happen and you might have to sit down with your hurt child and tell him/her that you tried your best to make the decision that made the most sense for this child/family.

Measels scare me because even my non-vax doctors says that the virus has changed and that is used to be harmless but is much more severe now. It could be that the vax virus mutated together with the wild version and caused this stronger virus OR that the use of fever reducers has caused the increase in SSPE as the immune system can not effectively destroy the invader.

Otherwise I am worried about cancer since my extended family has had way too many cases in the last few years (dad:terminal colon cancer, cousin: breast cancer, aunt: multible Myelom (sp?)).

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Is Measles really worse or is this the scare tactic from the doctor? I hear about measles outbreaks but I never hear about deaths.

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Mumps. A friend of my father's was left sterile from this. I have no idea what the statistics are, but it scares me.

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Tetnus. Mostly because you never *really* know if there's been exposure until way after the fact when it may be too late. Measles, mumps, rubella, eh I've seen all of these and I'm not worried. Same with Chickenpox. Polio may scare me (my dad told me a little about the bone deep terror and panic my grandparents felt over that one, how they were on a trip and ended up driving all night because there were reports of polio in the town they'd planned on stopping in, etc.) but I didn't stop vaxxing until after both kids had already been immunized against it, so I'm glad I never really had to actually make the call on it. Otherwise, the others don't really concern me.
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Polio is the only one that really scares me, I guess because it just seems more dangerous, more likely to have life-altering complications. Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, are all things that were typical for children to have and not typical for them to have complications from, whereas polio was one in which many children DID die or develop paralysis. In our small area, we know nearly a dozen people who are partially handicapped from polio or post-polio syndrome. I don't feel like tetanus is a real concern with our lifestyle being what it is, and I've nursed enough kids through pertussis that it doesn't worry me.

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I don't think I worry about diseases that much. Like other mom's I would like then to get these illnesses as children to boost their immune system and give natural immunity.

My 4 yo seems to have mumps right now and it is seriously no big deal. He had a cold with a puffed out face on one side. He did cry one night 2-3 times from his face hurting so I just cuddled him in bed rubing his back and he would fall asleep fast. I gave him lots of fermented cod liver oil, sodium ascorbate, sambucol, homemade chicken soup and the puffiness was gone in less than 2 days. I am wondering if dd has it because she had a fever yesterday for a bit and cold symptoms.

Lydiah--If it makes you feel better there are natural cures for stuff like Chron's and asthma. Just not in allopathic medicine!

Gismobabe--Look into vitamin D if you are worried about cancer (especially colon and breast)
Oh totally. i have been flare free since taking Fish oil, probiotics, Vitamin D and C, bone broths, and greens plus. I am also going to add turmeric and bromelain to my regime pretty soon. Its been about 4 years. Way better than any allopathic medicine has ever done. I have crohns btw and its why I wont vax my dd.

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Ebola scares me.

The plague would be bad.

I would definitely be concerned if my child developed meningitis, but I don't sit around and worry about it. There are lots of different strains of illness that can cause it that we don't vax for.

I am more concerned about her developing her father's collitis, which was a major reason why we didn't vax her to begin with.

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Measles and meningitis.
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Meningitis scares me. Probably the only reason is b/c my SIL fiance' died of it several years ago. We watched a healthy 21 year old college student go from healthy to dead in just a few short days. It was horrifing and I hope that I never witness it again.

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social mrsa and car accidents.

No vaccine for those!

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Ebola...dengue fever...MRSA

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MRSA, my friend's child's ped. said 90% of skin infections now are MRSA!!

I hope my DS doesn't get pertussis, whooping cough, until he's older. Sort of worry about tetanuss maybe.

Mostly MRSA.
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MRSA, my friend's child's ped. said 90% of skin infections now are MRSA!!

I hope my DS doesn't get pertussis, whooping cough, until he's older. Sort of worry about tetanuss maybe.

Mostly MRSA.
MRSA is scary! My youngest daughter had it on her arm. It was horrible but luckily we caught it in time and she was fine after a course of rather strong antibiotics. She had a red spot there for awhile that I kept worrying would get reinfected, but it never did. Aside from MRSA, the measles, whooping cough, polio, tetanus, and meningitis all are terrifying to me. Especially meningitis. Every time my kids are sick it's always in the back of my mind.

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I guess since I work in a hospital I already feel like I am covered in MRSA. Most of the kids I see fully recover from MRSA.

I am afraid of the mutating bugs, not this swine flu, I think healthy people can fight it off. But I think it has potential to turn into a stronger strain.

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I really feel afraid of everything until she hits 6 months.

Then cancer scares me more than anything.
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Can I ask - several of you have mentioned measles. This is one I actually WANT dd to get. Can you explain why you are afraid of this?

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The only thing that scares me is menengitis which I know is not a disease in and of itself.
My sister and I both were vaccinated for that when we were younger, she came down with it a few months later. The vax's are a joke... Having said that, my mom came down with all the symptoms of the bacterial meningitis (the deadly one) and we took her to the ER they ran the tests and it came up negative but I wonder since not all their tests are all that accurate anyways... Anyhow I gave her lots of honey and she was of course taking all the vitamins and minerals, guess that helped her tough it out. But she was soooo bad off for about 5 days.

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What scares me more are the diseases which have no cure, like crohn's disease or athsma. Not caused by a germ but very scary.
Crohn' s disease http://www.newtreatments.org/doc.php...Experience/208

Asthma scroll down ... http://chestofbooks.com/health/mater...Treatment.html

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Otherwise I am worried about cancer since my extended family has had way too many cases in the last few years (dad:terminal colon cancer, cousin: breast cancer, aunt: multible Myelom (sp?)).
Cancer is know to be caused by nutritional deficiency in vitamins and minerals, when supplementing dont forget the iodine, that's the foundation (especially for breast and pancreatic cancer)...

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Non of others scare me but after Oprah yesterday I have to say that the non-vax diseases seam even more scary! They covered flesh eating bacteria (staph) and MRSA. CRAZY
REgarding a staph infection, put some manuka honey on that and it'll clear right up.

MRSA http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=271835 It reads that providone Iodine killed in in 15 seconds.

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Polio is the only one that really scares me, I guess because it just seems more dangerous, more likely to have life-altering complications. Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, are all things that were typical for children to have and not typical for them to have complications from, whereas polio was one in which many children DID die or develop paralysis. In our small area, we know nearly a dozen people who are partially handicapped from polio or post-polio syndrome. I don't feel like tetanus is a real concern with our lifestyle being what it is, and I've nursed enough kids through pertussis that it doesn't worry me.
The only polio that currently exists is the vaccine derived polio, as of I believe 2003 the wild free polio has been eradicated. BTW so has smallpox.
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Breast cancer scares me. My grandma and her sister died of it. Two of my aunts have gotten it (8 sisters total). If my mom gets it, I don't know how I'll stand it.
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Mumps can be unilateral (affects one side of body) or bilateral (both sides). Rarely does it affect the reproductive organs, but when it does, it is ALWAYS unilateral mumps, so only one teste/ovary is involved, and still, sterility is very rare. If that helps you feel any less worried?

Ditto, I understand measles to be as benign as chicken pox, why all the fear now?



I actually would feel a lot better if I knew we could still catch pox, measles, and rubella.

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Mumps can be unilateral (affects one side of body) or bilateral (both sides). Rarely does it affect the reproductive organs, but when it does, it is ALWAYS unilateral mumps, so only one teste/ovary is involved, and still, sterility is very rare. If that helps you feel any less worried?

Ditto, I understand measles to be as benign as chicken pox, why all the fear now?



I actually would feel a lot better if I knew we could still catch pox, measles, and rubella.

Yeah, I thought the incident for sterility is so low the CDC doesn't even have a statistic?

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I can understand people being afraid of measles if they believe the CDC's stats on morbidity and mortality. But my research has shown its way way less so I am not afraid at all.

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Rabies and cancer, in that order. I know cancer is way more likely than rabies but rabies is an awful, awful way to die and almost always fatal. Cancer is often treatable, at least.

None of the VADs scare me much at all. Not like I'm cavalier about it, but I think the threat is greatly exaggerated. I'm much more concerned about causes of death for which there is no vaccine, like car accidents and war.

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