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I have heard a lot recently about the forced vaccinations that are being planned for the fall, along with the huge pandemic scare and emergency vaccine campaign scheduled for a few months from now.

If this is true, what I would like to discuss is, how far would you go to protect your family from forced vaccinations? Evidently if the vaccine is federally mandated, your state vaccination waivers would not apply. So, if they start quarantining whole towns and forcing vaccinations going door to door, using gps and medical records to find those who don't vaccinate, as a family who doesn't vaccinate, what would you do?
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I think this is an excellent question and am looking forward to the responses. I have been so worried about this as well and have no clue what me and my family would do. I don't even think moving to another country would help as it seems they are all cracking down. I am so fearful that they would throw us nonvaccinators into a FEMA-type camp to be quarantine.

What are our options? Do we have any?

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I find it INCREDIBLY hard to imagine this scenario actually happening, not with the ACLU still in business, people of various religions living in this country, etc.

Such a Federal law would be unconstitutional, and if the State vaccine waivers didn't apply, there would need to be Federal vaccine waivers in its place.

I'm expecting more of the same: manipulative advertising to "sell" the vaccine, pressure from medical professionals, but no actual laws being changed.

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As far as it took. My family will be forcefully vaccinated only over my cold, dead body. And they'd have to catch us first.

But I really don't think that's going to happen this time. I can see them doing away with school exemptions and sending vaccine-free children home indefinitely, forcing a lot of parents' hands and coercing them to vaccinate because they can't afford to quit to stay home and they can't pay for childcare. I can see them forcing it on military people and maybe even healthcare workers. But I can't really see them doing door-to-door sweeps any time soon. Something like that would require drastic steps to control the population, like martial law, tanks in the streets. I just don't think we're there yet.

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I find it INCREDIBLY hard to imagine this scenario actually happening, not with the ACLU still in business, people of various religions living in this country, etc.

Such a Federal law would be unconstitutional, and if the State vaccine waivers didn't apply, there would need to be Federal vaccine waivers in its place.

I'm expecting more of the same: manipulative advertising to "sell" the vaccine, pressure from medical professionals, but no actual laws being changed.
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I don't buy it as a reasonable scenario.

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If vaccines are made mandatory, I also don't expect them to round people up for vaccination-- they will just limit what you can do if you havent been vaccinated. Maybe you won't be able to go to work or school, or certain social functions. You will essentially be quarantined (in your home? I hope) if you choose not to vaccinate.

As such, we are picking up the pace of food storage and storage of household survival items and getting things in order for indefinite quarantine.

I'm not even going to say what it would come to if officials showed up at my house with some sort of ultimatum or threatening to inject/take my kids away.
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This scenario is so frightening to think about. I think it's incredibly unlikely but I would never say anything is impossible. I hope and pray it never comes to this. I would fight it until I couldn't fight anymore ... meaning if it really came to a point where the world went into total insanity and someone was at my door with a needle and they really had the authority to take my dd away from me where she would be vaccinated anyway I guess there would be no other option but to let them do it. That would be the only way it would happen.

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I don't want their school or social functions anyway. I am sorry for families who have to send their children to school/childcare or even take social services. I am also thinking that is what they will do, withold 'priveledges'.

I agree that it would take a LOT to get some door to door action going. First they would have to stop exemptions in schools, etc, and there would surely be some legal challenge to that.

But if they did go door to door, we would leave and apply for asylum in a country that was taking a stand, if there was one, hopefully. I am not that die hard against ALL vaccinations, I would accept something like Hib for my child if they made me realistically, rather than become a refugee, but I am definitely against vaccinations that haven't been tested at ALL and which are immune to prosecution!
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I am very concerned. I have thought about stocking up on everything. I told my husband I would take the kids somewhere if I had to.
I try not to think of the worst case scenerio. Have you all seen the youtube clip on swine flu from 60 min? It just shows how much damage the last swine flu vaccine did. I wish the media would draw attention to the bad side of a vaccine. There has never been a flu vaccine that works. I think preparing now for forced vax or a vax that would not work anyway is important. I have thought about keeping my tank full and finding a vacation place to live with my kids if I had to. I will have a laptop and get in touch with others from Mothering or something. A place in driving distance like a cabin. I think about this too much. I keep hoping it won't get too bad. I am looking at how Argentina, Australia, and Great Britain are doing with it now. I need to get my religious exemption on file at home. I home school little ones and have never bothered. I hope religious freedom keeps us safe. I think everyone should read the package insert on this vaccine . They still don't have one as far as I have read. The whole thing with no testing pretty much scares me. Gosh!!!!!!!!!!!!! This whole thing is just crazy. I am glad to have you all to chat with.
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ETA: I would also pray for a medical professional who would take my 'side' if you kwim? They have made their whole career on the basis of beliving in the double blind placebo study, I am sure there will be quite a few that take a stand when we decide to do away with all testing, kwim? I just have to believe that a lot of humans are basically good, logical and smart.
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If I had to, I'd get a gun and use it if I had to defend myself. It's hard to imagine me ever feeling like it'd be OK to shoot someone, though.

But thankfully I don't believe this will ever happen.

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I find it INCREDIBLY hard to imagine this scenario actually happening, not with the ACLU still in business, people of various religions living in this country, etc.

Such a Federal law would be unconstitutional, and if the State vaccine waivers didn't apply, there would need to be Federal vaccine waivers in its place.

I'm expecting more of the same: manipulative advertising to "sell" the vaccine, pressure from medical professionals, but no actual laws being changed.
Ruthla, have you heard of Codex? Codex is a trade organization by where countries voluntarily become compliant with their rules or else they will automatically lose in trade disputes. So, once you agree to become codex compliant as a nation, you are in a trap, you volunteered to join it, and no law can undo it. Codex was thought up by the man who created the nerve gas for the holocaust. He sat in prison after the neuremburg trials and figured out a way to take over the world through controlling food and medicine, making all foods GMO, Big Chemical, Big Pharma, Big Medical, all of those things we already know. Make the people sick by messing with their foods, make vitamins and herbal remedies forbidden, so we can sell them our medicine. They are trying to reduce the worlds population to 500 million people. This means 4 out 5 of the worlds people they want gone. The way they plan to do it is through forced vaccination, with the vaccinations containing toxins that will either kill immeadiately or take ten years to kill (gardisil). That would be this coming falls strain of four flu shots they are going to recommend and possibly even make mandatory for everyone. It is within the law for them to do it from what I understand. Even though I believe that law is unconstitutional and was not intended for the flu, the flu, I mean come on? clearly the intent of the 100 year old law was for small pox and not the common flu.

100 years ago during smallpox, a law was passed that the government could issue vaccinations during an emergency pandemic. They are calling this months flu an emergency and a pandemic. Sandwiched into President Obamas national health care reform bill is provision and funding for manditory federally mandated forced vaccination. It allows for no waivers except for medical. The WHO has just dropped the reporting requirement for vaccine damage from the swine flu vax. Several countries/groups recieved the vaccine early and it killed people and ferrets it was tested on. After the ferrets died, they tested the vaccine and found it to contain biological weapons of mass destruction for the population. There is a plan to put rebellious people who refuse to vaccinate in Fema consentration camps. It is the same Nazi people who are responsible for the holocaust who are behind this, so they have experience and have been thinking up how to do this for a long time. Plus someone called the illuminati is involved, the secret organization that wants to take over the entire world.

They have the bill gates foundation, and the plan is to have a global worldwide forced vaccination, so this would make it a little more difficult to find a country other than ours in which to hide in.

I called my senator and told them about this and they are working to make sure there is going to be a way of self quarantine or waiver from the federal vaccine.
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I called my senator and told them about this and they are working to make sure there is going to be a way of self quarantine or waiver from the federal vaccine.
That's a good idea. Anyone have more info on how we can contact our state representatives and voice our concerns? Like a form letter or something, and who we should contact and what the best way to get results would be?

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Ruthla, have you heard of Codex? Codex is a trade organization by where countries voluntarily become compliant with their rules or else they will automatically lose in trade disputes. So, once you agree to become codex compliant as a nation, you are in a trap, you volunteered to join it, and no law can undo it. Codex was thought up by the man who created the nerve gas for the holocaust. He sat in prison after the neuremburg trials and figured out a way to take over the world through controlling food and medicine, making all foods GMO, Big Chemical, Big Pharma, Big Medical, all of those things we already know. Make the people sick by messing with their foods, make vitamins and herbal remedies forbidden, so we can sell them our medicine. They are trying to reduce the worlds population to 500 million people. This means 4 out 5 of the worlds people they want gone. The way they plan to do it is through forced vaccination, with the vaccinations containing toxins that will either kill immeadiately or take ten years to kill (gardisil). That would be this coming falls strain of four flu shots they are going to recommend and possibly even make mandatory for everyone. It is within the law for them to do it from what I understand. Even though I believe that law is unconstitutional and was not intended for the flu, the flu, I mean come on? clearly the intent of the 100 year old law was for small pox and not the common flu.

100 years ago during smallpox, a law was passed that the government could issue vaccinations during an emergency pandemic. They are calling this months flu an emergency and a pandemic. Sandwiched into President Obamas national health care reform bill is provision and funding for manditory federally mandated forced vaccination. It allows for no waivers except for medical. The WHO has just dropped the reporting requirement for vaccine damage from the swine flu vax. Several countries/groups recieved the vaccine early and it killed people and ferrets it was tested on. After the ferrets died, they tested the vaccine and found it to contain biological weapons of mass destruction for the population. There is a plan to put rebellious people who refuse to vaccinate in Fema consentration camps. It is the same Nazi people who are responsible for the holocaust who are behind this, so they have experience and have been thinking up how to do this for a long time. Plus someone called the illuminati is involved, the secret organization that wants to take over the entire world.

They have the bill gates foundation, and the plan is to have a global worldwide forced vaccination, so this would make it a little more difficult to find a country other than ours in which to hide in.

I called my senator and told them about this and they are working to make sure there is going to be a way of self quarantine or waiver from the federal vaccine.
Bestbirths, do you have some references for these things? Links?
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Bestbirths, do you have some references for these things? Links?
She is probably refering to this...

http://www.refuseresist.net/2009/07/...demic-lawsuit/

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