We're in New York State. It's supposed to be an automatic call to CPS here, but I think it winds up depending on hospital policy.
Honestly, I am very comfortable and well-informed in my decision to not vaccinate my children, despite having no support from family. The only thing that worries me is the ER. I have two active boys. One of these days, a trip there is going to happen. Would you lie to the ER staff about your kids' vax status? The last thing I want is a CPS report being opened on my family.
I guess I'm ok with lying, but afraid that hospital staff would find out, particularly if my kids' records were faxed from the ped's office.
Sorry for my paranoia. Sometimes it feels so hard to keep my kids safe from other people's poisons, both literally and figuratively.
Suz, mommy to 2 chess-playing, lightsaber-wielding boys
But anyway I really wouldn't freak. You can tell the truth ("they're not vaxed"), you can fudge the truth ("they're fine" -- which they are even if they're not vaxed but that statement will be interpreted a different way by them) or you can lie. If you lie they have no way of checking up on you because they don't have the right to ask to see your other doctors' records without your permission.
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Bethany, crunchy Christian mom to Destiny (11) Deanna (9), and Ethan (2)
- Twin cut his sister's hand. Hospital did not ask about her vax status (not our local hospital as we were out-of-town).
- Same twin cut his face open. Local hospital did not ask about vax status.
- Same twin cut his face (yes, again!). Local hospital. Nurse doing first check asked and I told her we did not vax. Doctor we saw minutes later in other room asked - twice during the stitches session (seemingly absent-minded about whether he had already asked). I told him simply both times that we did not vax. There was no further discussion. I had the feeling that he and the nurse were both "walking carefully" as neither agreed with not vaxing, but that was the extent of it.
Not sure that I'm crunchy, but definitely a "tough chew".
If you know your area is a problem you could lie.
I actually did not know that they couldn't request my sons' ped records without my permission. That kind of solves my problem, doesn't it? What they don't know won't hurt them, and will help my kids.
Emmaline, that's a good point... but I don't know enough about individual hospitals around here. It's not the sort of thing I could call up and ask. (Or maybe I can? Hm.) I think I'll be playing it safe and doing some lying if push comes to shove.
I also love the "they're fine" comment. Works for me.
Suz, mommy to 2 chess-playing, lightsaber-wielding boys
At the ER the lady asks questions and then it comes, "Are his immunizations up to date?". Without even thinking I said yes. According to us, he is up to date. He also had an injury that isn't related to any disease. He didn't have an open wound that might catch tetanus.
I am in WY and very scared that they might call CPS on me. It is very uncommon to not vaccinate here, so I don't wanna deal with unnecessary trouble brought on by some crazy nurse or doc.
I think though that if he ever shows symptoms of a VPD I would mention he didn't get the vax, cause I would want him to be tested for e.g. whooping cough. It really depends why you take them in I guess. And, even if he were vaccinated and I suspected e.g. WP or measles, I would want him to be tested for that as no vaccine gives you 100% immunity.
My best friend works in social services so I feel pretty safe knowing that she would personally help me if CPS would be called but she assures me that even if they did open a case they would look at my healthy, happy children and know that it wasn't worth their time.
Nurse: Is he up to date on his immunizations?
Nurse: I'll make sure the doctor knows you're waiting.
End of story.
I have a friend who has had multiple ER visits (preemies with RSV, wounds, etc.) who just says something to the effect of "our dr. has taken care of all that with us". That way, she feels she isn't lying, but isn't opening the door to the hairy eyeball and harassment.
I'm more worried because my youngest (4) has never been to a dr in her life and I think they would take more issue with that even though she's never needed one.....
Traditional & nutrient-dense foods/Weston A. Price Foundation advocate, Reiki II practitioner, EFT practitioner, past life & life between lives Hypnotherapist practitioner. Home birth with DD 2007 = never vaccinated, breastfed 3 years
Triage nurse: Who is his pediatrician?
Sister: He doesn't have one.
TN: Okay... So how does he get his shots?
Sister: We don't do vaccinations.
TN: So he's never been to a doctor ever???
Sister: Well he's had check-ups before, with our old doctor.
TN: Oh, okay, so out of town.... So explain this no vaccination thing to me.
Sister: Personal reasons...
TN: Well he's going to have to have a tetanus shot.
Sister: It was a plastic hamper.
TN: It doesn't matter, he's going to have to get one of his shots. He'll get something called lockjaw and he'll die.
Me: How will that help, since it takes at least 2 weeks for the tetanus vaccine to trigger an immune response?
TN: Well it doesn't matter, the bacteria may not have gotten into the blood stream yet...
Me: Well trust me, our entire family has researched the hell out of this topic, we are not opposed to vaccination out of blind fear and certainly not out of neglect.
TN: Oh, well great then... Its really up to you.
Sister and me thinking -um, duh-
When DS had a very similar injury a few months back, it went more like this:
Nurse: Is he up to date on his immunizations?
Me: We don't vaccinate.
N: He doesn't have any of his shots?
Me: He has some, but we no longer do them after we did our research and we believe the benefits of vaccinating do not outweigh the risks, especially considering Bram's "condition".
N: -moved on to next question-
Later, the nurse had a chuckle because she came at DS very carefully with an otoscope and was like "don't worry, its not a shot, its not a shot!" (I'm guessing they have to say this to most kids...) DS looked at her like "WTF" and I said "he has no idea what that is". The nurse was like "oh yeah!" and thought that was just so hilarious. Tetanus nor the tetanus vaccine were ever brought up at all.
This was in Louisiana, by the way, in the same hospital. I wonder why it was never even brought up with DS but my nephew NEEDED one or he'd DIE.
Carly  + DH  + DS 
TTC my second and his first!
Then last Feb she got what could only be described as a Rotavirus-like illness. I tried desperately to keep fluids in her, but it wasnt possible with the amount of vomiting and diarrhea. So, off to GBMC we went. They asked in check-in, and I said no, shes had none. The nurse smiled a little while he was going on about his 4 kids and I noticed an Autism Awareness bracelet on his hand. Thought I might be in good company. Then we got to see the doctor, who was probably 9 months pregnant. She asked, we said no, she disappeared and a different doctor came in for the rest of the time. We said it was religious and that was that.
My PEDI however, DID threaten to call social services for child endangerment, to which I responded "I have a lawyer and I know my rights, dont you dare threaten me." She told me I HAD to sign a release form of some sort and I bluntly asked if she planned to hold my hand to the paper and make me. "No? Then my attorney will fax it to you if he deems it important." Then she kicked me out of the practice. haha, like I was coming back after that behavior! BTW, she was hysterically crying and screaming the ENTIRE 15 minute appt. If she thinks vaccines are so scientifically proven, that behavior certainly wont make me trust her clearly "unbiased opinion."
Now we have a new doc, that we've seen once since 6 weeks. He's a DAN doctor. He agrees some of the vaxs are dangerous, but still wanted me to do DTaP Polio and HIb. I said, "we'll see," and have only gone back once to see his partner, who clearly hated me.
"What will you do when she has to go to school?" "religious exemption" "oh, so its for religious reasons?" "uh, sure. I mean, when school starts it will be." He couldnt get me out fast enough. I know there is no inquiry permitted into religious affiliation in Maryland. So, why pretend to be a scientologist? Then I dropped him this little tidbit. "My husbands father is a doctor" "a pedi?" "No, a radiologist, well, now hes the director of a hospital." SO LEAVE US ALONE!!!! I only came for the ear infection.
medical arrogance... hard to compete with, but I'm up for the challenge. Anything for those sweet rosy cheeks sleeping in the next room
They asked if he was "up to date". I assume this is just a routine question that they ask all parents of kids in the ER. I said yes as hitting his head has absolutely nothing to do with VPD's.
Had he been there for something that I thought may be VPD related. I would have been honest and said we don't for religious reasons.
If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson.
The odd thing is that most social workers, at least in my neck of the woods, know that many conscientious parents are not vaccinating now due to legitimate concerns about safety and health.
So it is a bureaucratic dance of sorts that is going on here, with parents and their children stuck in the middle.
I wan't at all worried that CPS would have been called on me for this as we do have a supportive ped who would have stood up for us (although couldn't whip out a refusal to vaccinate form at my daughter's follow up appt as it was her first at this ped's office - not the "bad mommy" form, just a form simply stating I was not vaccinating my child because of personal beliefs/religious objections).
I'm sorry that anyone has to worry about being "reported" to CPS - as if when we visit the ER we don't have enough on our plates to worry about!