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#1 of 43 Old 05-04-2010, 07:31 AM - Thread Starter
 
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I live in southern U.S. When I took my sick baby into the ER and the Dr. found out he wasn't vaccinated, she said "Good luck.You've heard of all those unvaccinated babies up north dying right? they've been getting really bad cases of the measles and dying from it."she proceeded to tell me that the MMR shot was the one she thought was most important and basically gave me the impression that if my baby dies it's going to be my fault and that Im just playing russian roulette with my child's health. I'm shy and really didn't want to discuss it any longer than I had to so I just nodded. she said she just wanted to give her spiel and then she would leave it alone because its my choice. Anyway, my question is: any idea what she was referring to by unvaccinated babies up north dying from measles? thanks.
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i havent heard of anything "up north" (way to be specific! )

my own personal opinion is that she was just trying to scare you into vaccinating.

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I live in Upstate NY. Havent heard a thing, and I dont vax, especially not with the MMR.
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I live in Michigan, and I haven't heard anything either...just trying to scare you imho.

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nothing in PA either and we live in a very unvaccinated area (large Amish population)

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I live in Upstate New York...no big population of measles and/or dying children here.

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nothing in PA either and we live in a very unvaccinated area (large Amish population)
Im jealous!
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Nothing in MN, either...

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There's a measles outbreak in Ireland. That's "up North".

There WAS a measles outbreak in Michigan and Wisconsin, in 2008, maybe she's been using the same spiel since?

Chalk it up to fear mongering.

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it is really great... fresh produce, raw milk and cheeses (not that we can eat them), free range eggs

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Does anyone have the link to the CDC data that they are always moving and hiding on the site? The link that tells us exactly how many people died of measles?

Of course that link does not tell you vaccinated vs not... and every single outbreak of anything I've heard of involves majority (or sometimes even ALL) VACCINATED people. I would bet you my HOUSE (and it's really all I have) that if there actually were a measles outbreak going on up North (and I'm in MA, haven't heard anything), that it's not targeted toward unvaccinated kids.

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nothing in PA either and we live in a very unvaccinated area (large Amish population)
Sounds like I'm not terribly far from you and nothing here, either. I wish we lived close enough to get the aforementioned raw milk and eggs and such! There's a farm that has a drop off point nearby if you order from them, but I can't figure out how to subscribe to their Yahoo group to place orders...

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The last case of a measles death, at least that I can find, was in 2005. One person in the U.S. died, and I'm not even sure if that was a baby.

ANY TIME a doctor says something that makes you raise an eyebrow, don't be shy about asking for sources.

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[URL="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf"]
ANY TIME a doctor says something that makes you raise an eyebrow, don't be shy about asking for sources.
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Is this what the doctor was referring to?
http://children.webmd.com/news/20100...eak-hits-ny-nj

That's mumps, and no deaths. And apparently:
"The infections happened despite high coverage with the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine. Among patients ages 7 to 18 -- the age group that had the most cases -- 85% of patients had received the two recommended MMR vaccine doses."

Haven't found anything on measles deaths in the northern US.

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I got told that there was a polio outbreak in ontario. There was no such thing, the nurse was trying to scare me.

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I also live in the PA near Lancaster where we have Amish. I have not heard one thing about any measles or dying. Also, my ped told me specifically that there has been no polio for over 40 years and the only polio realted issues came directly form the vaccine.
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There was a good-sized outbreak in Brooklyn last summer, but there were no deaths.


 

 

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I'm in Alberta, is that "up north?" No outbreaks here.

And aren't all 'babies' unvaccinated for measles?

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With cases like this, a doctor should present each "dying baby" case:

1)Name
2)Age
3)Living conditions
4)Previous health history
5)Immune system status
6)Accompanying current diseases
7)e.t.c.
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Thanks for this thread. Its good to know what to say in response to these doctors. I had to take my 2 (1 vax'd, 1 not vax'd) children to the after hours clinic last Sunday for strep throat. Its the first time the unvax'd child (almost 2 yrs) has needed to see a doctor in more than a year for an illness. The doctor gave us a brief lecture about how my unvax'd dd is putting everyone in our family at risk for diseases. I just nodded my head and thought to myself how could that be true?
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ANY TIME a doctor says something that makes you raise an eyebrow, don't be shy about asking for sources.
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According to MMWR from the CDC as of May 7, 2010
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The burden of disease for measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella in the United States is very low.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5903a1.htm
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There is currently a small measles outbreak going on in BC, Canada. Can't get more north than that. But there are no deaths from it.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...-outbreak.html

Looks like one case in Alberta too.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...h.html?ref=rss

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When a parent tells a story of a child having a vaccine reaction, it is anecdotal evidence.

When a doctor tells a story of a child dying from a VPD, it should be considered anecdotal evidence, but for some reason, it is given more weight. Why?
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I'm pretty far up north ( Canada) and we are having a measles "outbreak" no one has died here and there's I believe over 14 cases now. Sounds like she is trying to scare you

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With cases like this, a doctor should present each "dying baby" case:

1)Name
2)Age
3)Living conditions
4)Previous health history
5)Immune system status
6)Accompanying current diseases
7)e.t.c.
It would be illegal for a doctor to share such information if they had it.

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I think some doctors take for granted that these stats are available to the public; gone are the days when they can pull random numbers out of their pockets.


 

 

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Wow she must be affiliated with the dr we saw once in our old town - the one who's seen "hundreds of children" die from chickenpox!
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Wow she must be affiliated with the dr we saw once in our old town - the one who's seen "hundreds of children" die from chickenpox!
Wow I had that ped in Hawaii! Ridiculous!

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