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"To be fair, quite a few things we ingest everyday are considered poisons . Also, nearly EVERYTHING is considered a poison in the right dosage. Too much water can kill you for example. Perhaps a bit semantic but, just this just stuck out in my head. "
To be fair, the things you speak of are not injected directly into the body, causing a outright assult on the bodies defense system.
I have been following this thread and just want to add a few things. I FULLY vaccinated my first 4 children according to schedule and felt like a great mom for doing so. I could never have told you what vaccines they got or what disease they were intended to prevent. I didn't have a clue. I just did it because you were supposed to. My first 3 kids had "normal" reactions like screaming, irritability, fever, slept for two full days (I used to love this part of them getting vaccinated, so I could get some housework done...crazy!!), etc. I never thought anything of it because my doctor told me it was normal. Well, when my 4th child got his 4 month shots, he had the same "normal" reactions, although he screamed longer than the others. A week later he started having head drops...basically lost head control. His head would be fine, then just drop down. I can't tell you how scary it is when your baby, who has been holding his head up normally, suddenly starts to not be able to hold his head up anymore and cries EVERY time his head drops down over and over again all day long! Other people noticed and asked if he hadn't developed head control yet. I took him to the doctor, who sent us to a pediatric neurologist. I asked if it could have been the vaccines and the answer was "NO". We had to have EEGs, Cat Scans, Mris, everything. They thought he was having seizures. They said he might not develop normally anymore and he would regress, basically they told me he would lose his smile! This broke my heart. I prayed and prayed for my son. He was still having this problem when he turned 6 months and they STILL wanted to vaccinate him. I said, "no". I could not believe that they wanted to vaccinate him when they had NO clue what was causing all of this. Anyway, I researched and decided to decline the heavy duty seizure medication they wanted to put him on (Tegretol). They never could prove he was having seizures, even with all their testing. I found and tried vitamin B6 in VERY large doses. It worked! His head drops stopped and every now and then we would have to up his dose because he would start having them again. Children's Hospital in New Orleans would not even consider that the B6 was helping him...they said it was a coincidence. I started researching vaccines and have never stopped. We eventually weaned him off the B6 and he never had another episode. He never regressed and is a healthy 8 yo boy now. Praise God!! He never had another vaccine and my 5th child who is almost 3 is vaccine free and has not had ear infections or sicknesses like my first 4 did when they were younger. Now, I have learned alot about nutrition and breastfed the 5th one for two years too! All this to say that what really concerned me was the pediatrician and pediatric neurologist's refusal to even consider vaccines as a possibility! I wonder how many children have neurological problems ( and yes, autism too) and the doctors never even consider the possibility of vaccines! It was very scary to me and especially that they wanted to vaccinate him again in the midst of all of this. I called Stephanie Cave's office ( author of What your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations) and her office told me I could have possibly saved my son's life by not vaccinating him again! The official diagnosis for my son's condition was "Developmental Glitch"! LOL! Seriously. I don't know if what happened to my son was caused by vaccines, but I sure don't know that it wasn't. I waited for an answer to what was happening to him and they couldn't tell me, but they could tell me it was most definitely NOT the vaccines! This is when my blind faith in doctors went out the window. PLUS the fact that they wanted to drug him up with anti seizure medication when there was nothing on the EEG that proved he was having seizures. They were not happy when I wanted to try vitamin B6, but I am so thankful that I researched and did not do everything they wanted. If I had, my son (at 4 months of age) would have been put on Tegretol and would have got a full load of vaccines at 6 months of age...dtap, hib, hep b, prevnar, ipv, etc. I shudder to think of what all this would have done to him!
|I'm standing staunchly on the other side of the fence with the mentality: This is one of the biggest decisions in my child's life! How could I possibly make it without information?!?!?|
|This, in my opinion, is an extremely poor excuse for what you are advocating. I mean that as an observation, not a judgment.|
|I posted my observations, in my last post, on the first page. None of it is scientific, as I mentioned but there is a large number of anecdotal evidence, for example: Scores of children not dead or damaged. Now, I also stated and agreed with those who also stated, if you aren't looking for it, as in the case of most pediatricians simply ignoring the possibility of X because "they were vaccinated", the numbers become skewed. I understand this. However, one can not throw out, in it's entirety, that particular set of data. That itself is bad science. Understand that I'm not saying it's convincing, completely accurate, relevant or important, just........ that it's there and worth looking at in when considering the science.|
|Can you provide the evidence that led you to this?|
|Because the risks of the vaccines are still yet to be accurately defined within the basic scientific model, while I agree with you based on the limited knowledge I have, I can't fully commit this statement without real data. I understand the risks of every disease that is vaccinated against. That is available, relevant, unbiased and current. With JUST that data, I can accurately say: If the risks of vaccinations are greater than a very very very small percent, it's not going to be worth it. The problem is, we only have 1/2 the data!|
If the people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson.
FatherOf2 -- a bit off topic (I've really enjoyed reading this thread though) but...
You mentioned in your original post that you believe education happens at home, but will send your kids to school for "the greatest social experience available".
You seem a very intelligent fellow, and keen to the fact that we must research our options, look for the truth and not just blindly follow the status quo. You realized this with vaccinations during the H1N1 crisis, and started to question the standard argument that "vaccines are always safe and the only best option."
Might I gently and humbly suggest that the same applies to the argument that public school is great for socialization?
For your research purposes, I'd suggest starting with "Hold on to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers" by Mate. It is NOT an anti-school book at all, I think homeschooling is only mentioned once. What is IS about, is the dangers of the current social structure of which public school is a large part, whereby children becoming peer-oriented rather than adult-oriented, and all the negative consequences of this.
There are lots of reasons to send a child to school rather than homeschool, you're certainly free to make that choice... but IMO "better social experiences" is not one of those reasons.