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Hello,

I'm wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction. I'm looking for published scientific studies that have been peer reviewed that show findings against vaccines.

From what I can find vaccines have overwhelmingly been proven to be safe and highly effective.

I have doubts about these findings, but I can't find true scientific facts that support my doubts.

Can you help me out?

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nothing?

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The problem is that no one is publishing that spin and no one is funding research to show that. It is very hard to find entire studies to show what you're looking for. What I did instead was re-read the PRO-vax information. Even the CDC site admits there's a higher chance of vaccine reaction than even contracting ANY of the vax-available diseases.

For me it was a matter of weighing each vaccine and disease and comparing risk factors of each.

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I love this site, it has many links and studies regarding anything natural and alternative as well as substances to avoid.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/search/node/vaccines

There is a few linking them to autoimmune disease, which is why I will not vaccinate my children. I am so autoimmune, and it sucks.

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There has been some interesting research recently comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated monkeys.

Discussed here:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/09/p...-primates.html

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Can you provide any well-designed, peer-reviewed studies that provide evidence that vaccinating any given child is safer than not vaccinating?

The truth is that there really is no conclusive data either way. There is not only no way to measure long-term effects, it would be very difficult to even design a study that could accurately compare risks.

Several studies do provide some evidence of the effectiveness of some vaccines, but effectiveness does not mean safe nor does it imply usefulness.

What is important to keep in mind is that safety is often measured as morbidity from the vaccine vs hypothetical morbidity if no one vaxed. Even if you do accept the premise that your child would be more at risk if no one vaccinated, the fact still remains that when vaccinating, you are doing it to protect society, not your child.

You can go read the thread about health care workers being forced to take the flu vaccine. The logic is not that it may protect those workers from dying (the statistical model actually allows for some of them to die), the logic is that it could protect other people.

Perhaps I am a selfish sociopath, but I will not risk my children or my health to hypothetically protect other people.

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thanks everyone! this has been really helpful

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There are some links at the bottom that may be helpful; Beyond Conformity has some info on locating and evaluating studies.





Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Vaccines may not prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18
DVD
, By Sherri J. TENPENNY

http://drjaygordon.com/

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

Health Sentinel Graphs

WHO GRAPH

Vaccine Injury Table


Beyond Conformity Resources Page
Do you have a quick-fire summary?

Inside Vaccines

Mothering: Ending the War on Disease
http://www.mothering.com/health/heal...m-just-growing

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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