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If you chose not to vax please tell me why and if you have any resources to share I would be grateful. So far I am pretty set on doing selective vax but I am still researching.

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Vax injury,No one cared.Why subject the kids to the same risk with the same outcome?

 

I say start with the vaccine inserts. Research for yourself how vax related injuries are treated.Ask a doctor how he/she would treat your child if they had a specific injury.

 

Look at what to expect with the national vaccine injury compensation process. Look at the diseases and treatment options.Look at the disease stats for your area.

Look at the ingredients in each vaccine.Limit the shots so you can try to pinpoint a cause of a reaction. Always get the lot number when you vaccinate.

 

Keep good records at home so your kids do not have unnecessary vaccinations due to lost shot records.

 

Best wishes!

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My kids WERE vaccinated.  They all had severe reactions (to different combinations of vaccines), although the youngest, whose vaccines were given on a delayed, one-at-a-time schedule, had the mildest reactions (but she still had 2 days of unconsciousness).

 

After doing an enormous amount of research, we decided to stop vaccinating.

 

I still believe we need the polio vaccine, but I'm not convinced that even MMR is necessary, and I'm pretty much convinced most of the others do more harm than good.

 

It's not just the antigens. It's the other ingredients.  Just for starters: 

thimerosal (contains ethylmercury, a known neurotoxin--still in the flu shot and in vaccines for adults, which are still often given to older children, as it's cheaper for the pediatrician to buy those)

aluminum sulfate (the adjuvant, used to make the immune system mount a stronger reaction to the antigen--but there is no way to control what else the immune system decides to react against.  In addition, aluminum is a known neurotoxin.)

 

Injecting the antigens is also problematic; in real life, the immune system meets the antigens ONE AT A TIME (not having 5 or more injected simultaneously), and then through the nasal passages, mouth, and intestines.  That's where your immune system's first line of defense is, with 80% being in the intestines.

 

Finally, the vaccine manufacturers are the same manufacturers that lied about Vioxx, about Lipitor, antidepressants, etc.  If you dig deep, you find that all the studies that say vaccines are safe and effective were studies designed by, funded by, conducted by, interpreted by, and marketed by the company that profited from the sale of those exact vaccines.

 

That's like the tobacco industry controlling and publicizing every study about cigarettes.

 

There ARE independent studies on vaccines, with much more troubling results than the ones we are usually shown in the media.  Those studies, such as the one from U. of Pitt, showing that infant boys given the hepatitis B vaccine are 3 times as likely to develop autism, are buried.

 

There is just too much financial conflict of interest for me to trust the manufacturers.  The former head of the FDA left that job--during which she approved the huge increase of vaccines added to the pediatric schedule--to become president of Merck's vaccine division.

 

The CEO of Reuter's is on the board of Merck. The Murdochs are not only on the board of GlaxoSmithKline, but own and operate a vaccine testing facility.

 

Is it any surprise, then, that we only read in the papers about how necessary vaccines are, and that your child will be kicked out of school without them?  Nothing in the papers about serious reactions (1297 cases so far of vaccine-induced brain damage, that have been admitted and compensated in US vaccine court); nothing about religious or philosophical exemptions.  Nothing in the papers about the unusually large numbers of those vaccine-induced brain damage cases that included autism, or how the families were told that their financial support awards would be terminated if they talked, even though there was no official gag order.

 

I am very, very disturbed by the whole trend, because I believe that there are, and could be, lots of life-saving drugs (including vaccines) made by the pharmaceutical industry.  But how can we trust them now?

 

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You may want to read this: http://www.robertfkennedyjr.com/docs/ThimerosalScandalFINAL.PDF

 

Yes, we have been told thimerosal was "taken out" of vaccines in 1999.  

 

Not true.  In 2001, vaccine manufacturers began PRODUCING thimerosal-free pediatric vaccines.

The thimerosal-preserved, multi-use vials continued to be sold and distributed until at least 2004. Pediatricians were encouraged to use them as long as the shelf life was still good.

 

Beginning around that time, the flu shot was added to the recommended pediatric vaccine schedule.  90% of all flu shots are thimerosal-preserved.  The nasal mist, which never contained thimerosal, is contraindicated in pregnant women and children under 3, so guess who gets the shots instead?

 

Lastly:  we are told that the autism rate continued to rise after thimerosal was supposedly "taken out" in 1999, so therefore there is supposedly no link.


As already explained, above, thimerosal was never completely OUT of pediatric vaccines.  Its presence in pediatric vaccines would not have been significantly diminished until after 2004.  The latest autism rates we have are from 2007.  That doesn't mean babies born in 2007.  That means children who were already diagnosed with autism in 2007--children born in 2004 and before.

 

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Here are some things to consider about vaccinating....good luck and keep posting with questions.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm

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Keep researching! It took me months and months to go through information, reading CDC stats, documentaries and pro-vax books actually, giving what the illness is, how the vaccines are harvested and what treatments are if your child was to become infected 

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It's difficult to know the risks of vaccine reaction, because the current reporting system (VAERS--Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) is voluntary, not mandatory.  It is estimated that only 1-10% of serious adverse reactions to vaccines are ever reported.

 

I know my own reactions were not reported by my doctor, or were my childrens' reactions reported by their pediatrician.  By the time they were seen by a specialist who diagnosed them with vaccine reaction, the specialist assumed that the pediatrician would report it. But the pediatrician assumed the specialist had reported it.

 

From what I hear, this is all too common.

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Thank you for all the replies. Honestly, I am scared about this whole process. I was over vaxed as a kid and have ADHD and a hyperactive immune system which caused everything from a severe allergy to meat to PCOS. I think it had a lot to do with vax (take that or leave it as you may). My twin girls were born at 29 weeks and spent 11 weeks in the NICU (they gave them a few vax while we were there saying it was required for stay in the NICU, wish I fought it but I was SO emotional at the time and not thinking straight). I really want to research everything before deciding what to do. Luckily my girls dr. is pro delayed and would not be concerned if we did no more at all.

 

I am concerned about the preservatives and other ingredients in vax, anyone have more info on that subject? Anyone run into issues with schools or playgroups? We are planning on homeschooling but my hubby wants them to have the option of going to school (I don't redface.gif).


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  Therefore, vaccines have never met the gold standard of proof. Therefore vaccines are an unproved prophyllatic for disease, or to be accurate, vaccines are quackery. 


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I originally planned to selectively vax on a delayed schedule.  I looked at each vaccine and each disease and compared things like chance of reaction, type of reaction, disease symptoms, disease risks, chance of actually contracting the diseases, etc.

 

At the end of that there were no current vaccines that I felt the benefits outweighed the risks for my kids at this point in time.

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Wow, interesting...


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I originally planned to selectively vax on a delayed schedule.  I looked at each vaccine and each disease and compared things like chance of reaction, type of reaction, disease symptoms, disease risks, chance of actually contracting the diseases, etc.

 

At the end of that there were no current vaccines that I felt the benefits outweighed the risks for my kids at this point in time.



Even tetanus?


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Even tetanus?



if you educate yourself about tetanus, you will learn how it is prevented, not thru a needle, either.  There are less than 100tetanus cases in the USA  per year.  And most of those cases are in people who use illicit street drugs, injecting them.  

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Even tetanus?



I am personally reactive/allergic (terminology depends on who you ask  ;) ) to the tetanus vaccine.  As was my grandmother.  It was the first I eliminated from my list actually.  I had reactions to each dose- beginning with a hot knot at the site, progressing to the one I remember the best around age 9- my arm was swollen and hot, I ran 102-104 temps for a week and had intense body pains like with the flu.  AFTER that dose my ped at the time strongly cautioned my mother to NEVER allow me to have a tetanus containing vax again, and if she insisted, it should be done in an ER with a crash cart available in case I had an anaphalactic reaction.  Problem is I now hear of that same reaction being brushed off as normal   :(

 

But yes, even tetanus.  Tetanus is INCREDIBLY rare.  Your child has a much higher chance of being struck by lightening.  AND there IS treatment for tetanus.  And it's always been rare in children, even more so after the advent of proper wound care (washing the dirt off...)  Tetanus is a disease of those with poor circulation and of trauma wounds.  I would consider a TIG for a child of mine in a severe car accident resulting in crushing injuries or a case of severe and extensive burns.  Those are your likely tetanus cases.

 

Tetanus is anaerobic as well.  It can not occur where the wound gets oxygen (that includes oxygenated blood).

 

I do not worry about tetanus.

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People (includng DH) argue that the girls will be disallowed from playgroups like YMCA sports and school if not vaxed. Has anyone ran into these issues? I already ran into a situation where I was *considering* for a very short time some hourly care at a center. They would not allow the girls unless they were vaxed, they also disallowed CD and breast milk so I laughed in their faces and hired a nanny to come to our home. Just wondering if that was only the beginning?


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In a nutshell - for our situation from the almost 7 years of research I have done - the risks of vaccinating outweigh any unproven benefits. Also I have a ton of resources that I have put together over the years that I have shared with others here. links, journal articles, websites etc. If you are interested PM me with an email address as I would need to send it as an attachment :)


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My first two got their shots until 18 months (space out in 2 years).  It never felt right.  I had no idea what they were being given, I don't know why I thought I should space them out, mommy instincts just told me this isn't good for them.  Then I had the revelation that I had a choice.  I read 3 books, some biased towards vaccines some against.  I googled all recent history of outbreaks and statistics of VPD's in the US, I read manufactorer's inserts & the CDC, side effects, vaccine trial outcomes etc.  I talked to my husband.  I talk to MDC mom's on this board.  Then both my husband and I decided the benefits did not outweigh the risks.  We will consider select vaccines if their are outbreaks in our area, but I doubt I will do it even then.  And I'm a breastfeeding SAHM, that's a big factor for me. 

 

I just saw your question about preservatives and ingredients- Dr. Sears book "The Vaccine Book" is the best place to find that information, and I think there's an updated book that just came out...because vaccines are always changing, they recall some vaccines because of safety, add new ones etc.  


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People (includng DH) argue that the girls will be disallowed from playgroups like YMCA sports and school if not vaxed. Has anyone ran into these issues? I already ran into a situation where I was *considering* for a very short time some hourly care at a center. They would not allow the girls unless they were vaxed, they also disallowed CD and breast milk so I laughed in their faces and hired a nanny to come to our home. Just wondering if that was only the beginning?



YMCA means Young Men's Christian Association...if you have a religious exemption with your child in school, the YMCA cannot exclude your child from any activity.  School exemptions should work for sports too...i never had an issue with my son and football. 

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People (includng DH) argue that the girls will be disallowed from playgroups like YMCA sports and school if not vaxed. Has anyone ran into these issues? I already ran into a situation where I was *considering* for a very short time some hourly care at a center. They would not allow the girls unless they were vaxed, they also disallowed CD and breast milk so I laughed in their faces and hired a nanny to come to our home. Just wondering if that was only the beginning?



We have never had a single issue.  We homeschool and participate in a large number of activities and it has never been an issue at all.

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My first two got their shots until 18 months (space out in 2 years).  It never felt right.  I had no idea what they were being given, I don't know why I thought I should space them out, mommy instincts just told me this isn't good for them.  Then I had the revelation that I had a choice.  I read 3 books, some biased towards vaccines some against.  I googled all recent history of outbreaks and statistics of VPD's in the US, I read manufactorer's inserts & the CDC, side effects, vaccine trial outcomes etc.  I talked to my husband.  I talk to MDC mom's on this board.  Then both my husband and I decided the benefits did not outweigh the risks.  We will consider select vaccines if their are outbreaks in our area, but I doubt I will do it even then.  And I'm a breastfeeding SAHM, that's a big factor for me. 

 

I just saw your question about preservatives and ingredients- Dr. Sears book "The Vaccine Book" is the best place to find that information, and I think there's an updated book that just came out...because vaccines are always changing, they recall some vaccines because of safety, add new ones etc.  


My friend who chose not to vax just told me about the Dr. Sears book today on our mommy / play date. I am getting it tomorrow from the library!

 


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We have never had a single issue.  We homeschool and participate in a large number of activities and it has never been an issue at all.



Good to hear! We are planning on a homeschool co-op and I didn't want the girls to be excluded from activities.


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People (includng DH) argue that the girls will be disallowed from playgroups like YMCA sports and school if not vaxed. Has anyone ran into these issues? I already ran into a situation where I was *considering* for a very short time some hourly care at a center. They would not allow the girls unless they were vaxed, they also disallowed CD and breast milk so I laughed in their faces and hired a nanny to come to our home. Just wondering if that was only the beginning?



Wow.  If they're not even allowing breast milk, I'd stay away from that one anyway.  :)

 

We had mild problems getting my first son into pre-school.  (We're in NY, where it can be tough.)  Hired a consultant to help with a second exemption letter, and they accepted that version.  Public school didn't even blink at the exemption.  Both my children are in town sports -- they never even asked for a vax record.

 

The town did ask for health records for a week of camp.  I sent in my letter and they were totally fine with it too.  Good luck.  I think staying confident and knowing your stuff helps a LOT.  DS's school is sort of afraid to mess with me, lol.  That's ok though. 

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Because you NEVER know if it will be your child. I vaccinated until my now 11 month old son had a severe reaction to the MMR. And I mean severe. His fever went from normal to 105.7 in 45 minutes, several seizures on the way to the ER and two more once we got there. He even stopped breathing once.No matter what I said, they NEVER gave a second thought to the fact that the shots would do this to my son. i had to take him to a specialist and now he has nerve damage in the leg where he got his shots. Read the inserts, and seriously consider the side affects. Read the ingredients as well, you will be shocked at what they are!!. At the very least, be informed for your kids sake!

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Because you NEVER know if it will be your child. I vaccinated until my now 11 month old son had a severe reaction to the MMR. And I mean severe. His fever went from normal to 105.7 in 45 minutes, several seizures on the way to the ER and two more once we got there. He even stopped breathing once.No matter what I said, they NEVER gave a second thought to the fact that the shots would do this to my son. i had to take him to a specialist and now he has nerve damage in the leg where he got his shots. Read the inserts, and seriously consider the side affects. Read the ingredients as well, you will be shocked at what they are!!. At the very least, be informed for your kids sake!



 

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Keep researching! It took me months and months to go through information, reading CDC stats, documentaries and pro-vax books actually, giving what the illness is, how the vaccines are harvested and what treatments are if your child was to become infected 



This.  You can always vax later, you cannot undo a vaccine.  

 

If you do decide to vaccinate, please look up the best protocol on how and when to do it.  When to vax?  How many per day?  How far between shots?  When to begin?  Should you give tylenol?  (not, I think!)  Do not vaccinate if ill at all - why risk it?  If anything happens, you will beat yourself up and play what-if games....

 

Someone on a completely separate forum said she looked up vaccine protocol in different developed nations to see where the overlap was, and where the differences were ( and why).

 

 

 

 

 

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 I looked at each vaccine and each disease and compared things like chance of reaction, type of reaction, disease symptoms, disease risks, chance of actually contracting the diseases, etc.

 

At the end of that there were no current vaccines that I felt the benefits outweighed the risks for my kids at this point in time.

 

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I originally planned to selectively vax on a delayed schedule.  I looked at each vaccine and each disease and compared things like chance of reaction, type of reaction, disease symptoms, disease risks, chance of actually contracting the diseases, etc.

 

At the end of that there were no current vaccines that I felt the benefits outweighed the risks for my kids at this point in time.



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