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Is it real?  Does anyone have experience with this and if so are you willing to share?

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I will look it up ,but there have been something to the tune of 197 Gardasil deaths that have been proven and reported to VAERS. Or are you looking for ones who haven't died but had an adverse reaction?


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If you look at the above page, there are other links in it that give you more info.


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Thank you, I'm looking for all information.  I'll take both sides.

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The term is not scientifically accepted, and was coined due to the spectrum of signs and symptoms experienced by girls who have received the vaccine.  For personal stories, Sanevax.org has plenty.  The VAERS database will always deny that any causal relation between reported symptoms/reactions has anything to do with the vaccine.  

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I will look it up ,but there have been something to the tune of 197 Gardasil deaths that have been proven and reported to VAERS. Or are you looking for ones who haven't died but had an adverse reaction?



 

Just because something is in VAERS does not mean it has been proven. It is a passive reporting system- anyone can report anything. One guy reported that a vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk- that made it into the database. He writes about it here. neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/14/

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Which vaccine?  I wouldn't mind being an incredible Hulk!  I look good in green.
 

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Just because something is in VAERS does not mean it has been proven. It is a passive reporting system- anyone can report anything. One guy reported that a vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk- that made it into the database. He writes about it here. neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/14/



 

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It is estimated that 1-10% of severe vaccine adverse events are reported to VAERS, because it is a voluntary reporting system.

 

I can attest to the fact that my severe adverse reaction, and my 3 childrens' 4 separate severe reactions were never reported by their physicians.  That includes my daughter's 2 day stint of unconsciousness, my middle child's 6 months with the most severe case of blistering eczema the dermatologist had ever seen, and my oldest son's seizure reaction.

 

All the specialists diagnosed vaccine reaction.  None of them reported it, though--they all assumed the pediatrician would report it.  The pediatrician said that he thought the specialists had reported it, when I asked him months later.  But when I checked with them, they had not.

 

From what I read, this has been the case for thousands of us.

 

I was told over and over by pediatricans that each reaction was a one-in-a-million, flukey thing, that severe reactions like that never happen, that they only happen in children in undeveloped countries, etc.  Eventually, one pediatrician wised up and said that he is seeing more and more reactions like this, and that what he has been seeing does not jibe with what he was taught in medical school.

 

Those one-in-a-million flukey reactions that we have experienced are the same reactions I read about in anecdotes from thousands of other parents.  So I know that they are not REALLY one-in-a-million flukey reactions, but reactions that occur within a subset (or maybe more than one subset).  

And I'm furious that most doctors, and especially the CDC, show absolutely no interest in determining which children (or adults, for that matter) are in this subset.

 

As far as Gardasil reactions are concerned, I have noticed an awful lot of articles describing severe reactions in girls who are athletic--cheerleaders, figure skaters, dancers, volleyball players, etc.  I would wonder how exercise/physical activity changes body chemistry, hormones, etc., and if these girls are dieting--could they then have vitamin deficiencies which affect their ability to excrete adjuvants that others are able to excrete with no problem?

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That is obviously an abuse of the reporting system and not what it was intended for.  Why bother to point that out?  Do you know who made that report?

 

There are vaccine reactions and these need to be studied if vaccines are to improve in quality. The fact that the system is abused, that doctors refuse to use it to report a reaction or that only 10% of all reactions are not reported means that the system needs to be upgraded and that its information used for the betterment of the system. 



 

If you go to the link, you can see who made the report. The point was that anyone can report anything to VAERS. 

 

As far as doctors refusing to report things, well, the whole point is that you don't need a doctor to make a report. Taxi mom, if your kids had a reaction, report it. You dont need your doctors approval. 

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Big Pharma... but that's just me being a conspiracy theorist aka looks outside the box...
 

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Your cavalier attitude toward anyone with a vaccine reaction is indicative of the way doctors ignore vaccine damage when it does happen and claim that it does not exist.

 

The fact is that vaccine damage is real, whole families are affected by vaccine damage, and families need support if the government health programs are going to mandate vaccines.

 

This past year has seen the Bruesewitz family turned away from compensation and the Cleor family also.  MacNeil of MacNeil/Lehrer report has done a PBS four part series regarding his grandson who has autism; his well-educated daughter claims that it began after his two year old vaccines.  She lost her career and is caring for her son. These people need help, not a flippant remark, "Go report it yourself; you do not need your doctor's approval".  That is rude and condescending to parents who are conscientious about their children's well-being. 

 

Privately, HCPs have told me that they get in trouble for reporting too many vaccine reactions. Why would that be?



 

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Your cavalier attitude toward anyone with a vaccine reaction is indicative of the way doctors ignore vaccine damage when it does happen and claim that it does not exist.

 

The fact is that vaccine damage is real, whole families are affected by vaccine damage, and families need support if the government health programs are going to mandate vaccines.

 

This past year has seen the Bruesewitz family turned away from compensation and the Cleor family also.  MacNeil of MacNeil/Lehrer report has done a PBS four part series regarding his grandson who has autism; his well-educated daughter claims that it began after his two year old vaccines.  She lost her career and is caring for her son. These people need help, not a flippant remark, "Go report it yourself; you do not need your doctor's approval".  That is rude and condescending to parents who are conscientious about their children's well-being. 

 

Privately, HCPs have told me that they get in trouble for reporting too many vaccine reactions. Why would that be?


I'm not being cavalier. You're missing the point.  The whole point is that you DON'T need a doctor's approval to report to VAERS.  This is a good thing.  It takes away a roadblock to reporting any problems.  Taximom should report her kids' vaccine reaction(s).  She doesn't need her doctor to do it, and there is no time limit on reporting a reaction.

 

I've never heard of any HCP provider getting in trouble for reporting reactions, vaccines or otherwise.  Trouble from whom?  I'm not being snarky- who is going to give them trouble? 
 

 

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Good advice I think some people may not realize they can report themselves.  Also I have heard of doctors being limited to reporting.  I'm not sure if it's on them for administering the vaccine and having something happened.  That could be the issue.  Also I heard this, I do not actually know if it's fact.
 

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I'm not being cavalier. You're missing the point.  The whole point is that you DON'T need a doctor's approval to report to VAERS.  This is a good thing.  It takes away a roadblock to reporting any problems.  Taximom should report her kids' vaccine reaction(s).  She doesn't need her doctor to do it, and there is no time limit on reporting a reaction.

 

I've never heard of any HCP provider getting in trouble for reporting reactions, vaccines or otherwise.  Trouble from whom?  I'm not being snarky- who is going to give them trouble? 
 

 



 

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VAERS is made light of by many mainstream HCPs because of the Green Hulk report, and because doctors do not use it as they are supposed to. Doctors do NOT tell their parents about VAERS; few parents know that they can report a reaction.  Furthermore, few parents even know what vaccines their child gets at any one office/well baby visit. Doctors are required to give parent the VIS before administering the vaccine and report vaccine reactions by law, but there are plenty of holes in that requirement.

 

So much for informed consent.

 

You also might want to read up on GlaxoSmithKline's fine for killing babies in Argentina during vaccine drug trials.  The families were illiterate and signed consent forms they could not read.  They were "awarded" the equivalent of +/- $6,000.    Bottom line, these companies just want to make money - it doesn't seem to matter at what cost. GlaxoSmithKline has the chutzpah to appeal the decision.   Apparently, they feel children from third world countries are expendable ... and apparently ours also.

 

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16142354

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/glaxosmithkline-to-appeal-fines-over-paperwork-in-argentine-pneumonia-vaccine-study-of-babies/2012/01/03/gIQANByzYP_story.html

http://naturalsociety.com/gsk-forced-illiterate-parents-into-signing-over-child-in-illegal-vaccine-experiments/


That's why I've written this.  If few people know they can report a reaction, hopefully I've made some aware now that they can.  Yet, you called me cavalier and flippant for telling Taximom that she can report a reaction herself.  I can't win with you, can I?

 

The vaccine info sheet given has the VAERs information on it.  As for parents not knowing what vaccines their child gets at any one visit, I can't place the blame of that on anyone but the parents.  They sign the consent and at least a my ped's office, it gets written down on a card that I get a copy of.  It's the doctor's responsibility to give the information to the patient- what the patient then does with that information is up to them.

 

You still haven't told me who doctors will get in trouble with by reporting vaccine reactions.  And what kind of trouble are we talking about here, anyway?

 

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 Furthermore, few parents even know what vaccines their child gets at any one office/well baby visit.



Your doctor can't give your child a vaccine unless you ask for it. How could parents not know what their children were getting?

 

 

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They simply do not know.  If you are a parent, you would know.

 

Back to the Gardasil® question: are these girls drama queens, hypochondriacs, or do we now have clusters of psychosis?  Enquiring minds want to know.  Conversion Disorder? The ONE THING they all have in common is they are all female and  all recently got their Gardasil® jabs.

http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-01-15/12-girls-struck-with-tics-in-ny-official-claim-is-we-know-why-but-wont-tell/



Avoiding my question.

 

Each and every time you get a vax you have to sign something. Yes, I'm a parent and I know. It says right on the sheet what vaccine you are getting, and you REQUESTED it. That's how you get one.

 

How would a parent not know? YOU brought it up.

 

 

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In some cases yes, you know what your kids are getting.  However in certain circles they just do what they think they're supposed to do.  Why would their doctor give them a timeline of shots their supposed to get for their little ones to go to school if it could be unsafe?   Some people do not realize they can get an exemption, some have no idea why you would even want an exemption.  Needing daycare and putting your kids in school means you just do what you're told. 

 

 

As far as the girls are concerned, I've not heard much in the mainstream media about it.  I heard it on another forum then searched for it.  Even those articles hinted it could be the vaccine but ultimately no information regarding what it was that caused this is being released.  To anyone, even the parents.  It's considered a Federal issue.  You will not garner my trust with those kinds of answers.

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I think it is Coversion Disorder.

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I think it is Coversion Disorder.


Ah, blaming the victim.  How compassionate.

 

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All of them?  I could see one or two but it's 12.  Not enough information is out right now.  Do you really think there is no way it could be vaccine related?
 

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if I said "I think it cancer?" would that be blaming the victim ?

 

The young women are prime Conversion Disorder victims because of their age and few other things. American history is full of mass conversion disorder incidences.

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The fact that  there 12 of them make the conversion disorder more likely.

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Salem Witch Trials... Hey these things can happen.  However there is no reason for this to be a FEDERAL ISSUE!!!  Am I the only one that caught that part?

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Your doctor can't give your child a vaccine unless you ask for it. How could parents not know what their children were getting?

 

 



They don't really know because they blindly trust what their dr says..if the dr says the child needs to catch up on shots, some parents just nod and say okay and don't bother to ask what they are getting.  That's how a parent doesn't know. 

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They don't really know because they blindly trust what their dr says..if the dr says the child needs to catch up on shots, some parents just nod and say okay and don't bother to ask what they are getting.  That's how a parent doesn't know. 



I have had to sign a form each time for each vaccine. Is this not a standard?

 

 

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