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We all know what happens.  You tell the doctor, who insists that vaccines are perfectly safe,that the reaction is a coincidence,  that you're imagining the reaction, you're over-reacting, and anyway, vaccines don't do that.

 

Imagine if peanut allergy sufferers were treated the same way:

 

Mother:  He just ate his first peanut butter sandwich, and suddenly, his lips and face swelled up, and he couldn't breathe!

 

Doctor:  Calm down, don't jump to hysterical conclusions.  Correlation does not equal causation.  It was genetics.  Or coincidence.  Or both. But it had nothing to do with the peanut butter!

 

Mother:  But we have peanut allergies on both sides of the family!

 

Doctor:  Nonsense!  We know peanuts don't cause allergies, because the peanut industry has kindly provided us with their own studies, done on kids with no family history or other risk of peanut allergy.   They funded, directed, interpreted, and marketed fourteen different studies, and THEY say that peanuts don't cause allergies. You let little Timmy eat all the peanut butter sandwiches he wants, and I'll write prescriptions for the swelling, choking, vomiting, etc. If he has trouble focusing on schoolwork while he's choking, we'll give him Ritalin, too. And I'll write you a prescription for an anti-depressant for you, because you are getting hysterical.

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My doctor left all vaccination decision in our hands.  He would never act like that.  I'd never keep a Dr. who wouldn't take me seriously.


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Youngfrank, you're lucky!  I have many friends who have been "fired" from their pediatricians because they either turned down or wished to delay vaccines after a reaction.

 

I never even got to speak with the pediatrician until a couple of weeks after my child's seizure reaction.  The nurse didn't believe me and wouldn't let me speak to the doctor. (She was fired quite soon after that.)

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... and if you bring in any literature even suggesting existence of peanut allergy, you will be brushed off because:

 

1. you are not smart enough to understand science. did you go to medical school? It´s ok, you´re cute for trying...

2. your sources are all lunatic fringe websites, even the once that aren´t - but the article was once referenced on some other bad site....

3. your literature is invalid because the scientist/researcher/dr. who wrote the literature: a. sells crazy supplements and is a scam artist, b. thinks he can cure people by light coming out of his fingertips, or c. once accidentally kicked a puppy.

 

I would also never keep a dr. who treated me or my concerns in such a manner. But I am lucky to have found a good one.

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ROTFLMAO.gifYou ladies crack me up.

 

Yet it's true!!!  I also would woudl dump a doc that treated me this way, but I know folks dont have a lot of options due to where they live, being military or whatever. Sad :(


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BAHA! That really made me laugh ROTFLMAO.gif

 

On a different note, this really does happen all the time. I am SO thankful that I had a doctor who encouraged me to do research before making a decision. The more I researched the more I knew that vax were not for us! Our doc supports our choice, if he didn't I would kick him to the curb and find someone else!


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Ah like the time I said I was allergic to pcn... and they gave me pcn... and I came back looking like a bloated fish stuck with pins.  I was asked if I was at urgent care for my acne... no dear not acne... BUT A RAGING RASH!  So then they gave my Clynadmayacin... because they thought they were funny I guess... and while it helped my mastitis... I was also allergic to that.  Back to the ER to be asked... yet again if I was seriously there for my acne.  DID THEY GET THEIR DEGREES FROM A CEREAL BOX?!  Holy snot!   Acne and hives... same thing.

 

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Imakcerka, what is "pcn?"

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I believe it is penicillin

 

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yup!  Thanks
 

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My doctor left all vaccination decision in our hands.  He would never act like that.  I'd never keep a Dr. who wouldn't take me seriously.



Yeah but when you are living it it's different. We went through 4 pediatricians each one told us my DDs reactions were all coincidental --NO WAY IT WAS THE VAX. So we kept vaxing...she got worse. It was hell on earth I was convinced it was not he vax since 4 different peds told me no way. I stopped vaxing for other reasons (mostly b/c I was concerned about the ingredients) and within 5 months my DD was completely healed...Now we KNOW it was the vax and the ped still denied it.

 

We have a holistic ped now who believes us but we had no clue her medical issues were all really vax reactions b/c like I said every ped and specialist she was brought to said absolutely not!

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We have a holistic ped now who believes us but we had no clue her medical issues were all really vax reactions b/c like I said every ped and specialist she was brought to said absolutely not!



Holistic peds are the way to go! Ours is holistic as well. You can usually find holistic medical professionals through national networks. We found ours through the Holistic Mother's Network.


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Or - how about when they say, "Well, it's possible, I suppose," but fail to actually report it as a vax reaction?

 

I had a reaction to MMR (sudden debilitating headaches at 18mo, multiple tests later found out it was inflammation in my eyes (uveitis), which was the first symptom of the RA-like autoimmune illness that set in as an adult).  The neuro, and later the pedi, admitted privately to my mom that yes, they believed the vaccine was the culprit, but neither would mark it in my chart or report the reaction.

 

My jaw was on the floor of my rheumatologists office a few years ago, as he finished explaining to me that as far as we can tell, autoimmune illnesses are caused by a virus, but when I asked what he thought of my disease being caused by the MMR, he said, "No no no, absolutely not, vaccines don't cause RA."

 

So...RA can be triggered by a VIRUS, but not by an artificial means of presenting a virus that is supposed to elicit an identical immune response to the actual virus????

 

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Pretty sure, auto immune diseases are dormant diseases in the body that are for lack of a better word activated when there is any kind of trauma to the body.  A vaccine could be considered trauma, but not the actual cause.  Environment can also be a factor as well as family history.  There are numerous AI diseases in my family. 
 

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RA is most certainly caused by vaccines.  It is listed as a side effect on the Hepatitis B vaccine. 



 

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In some cases, vaccines can trigger a pre-existing condition. In other cases, vaccines can cause disease and disorder.

 

In most cases, it's not possible to really understand which is which.

 

For example, in the case of Hannah Poling, whose 9 simultaneous vaccines resulted in autism due to pre-existing mitochondrial disorder, it is unknown whether the mitochondrial disorder was itself caused or triggered by earlier vaccines.


Hannah's mother tested positive for the same mitochondrial disorder, but is symptom-free.  She also had a tiny fraction of the vaccines Hannah had.

 

It is known that medications (including vaccines) can cause mitochondrial disorders.  Not just trigger them, but cause them.


It's kind of pointless to argue whether the vaccine was the cause or the trigger, when in any case, without the vaccine, the problem would almost certainly not exist.

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Trauma causes AI's. 

 

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In some cases, vaccines can trigger a pre-existing condition. In other cases, vaccines can cause disease and disorder.

 

In most cases, it's not possible to really understand which is which.

 

For example, in the case of Hannah Poling, whose 9 simultaneous vaccines resulted in autism due to pre-existing mitochondrial disorder, it is unknown whether the mitochondrial disorder was itself caused or triggered by earlier vaccines.


Hannah's mother tested positive for the same mitochondrial disorder, but is symptom-free.  She also had a tiny fraction of the vaccines Hannah had.

 

It is known that medications (including vaccines) can cause mitochondrial disorders.  Not just trigger them, but cause them.


It's kind of pointless to argue whether the vaccine was the cause or the trigger, when in any case, without the vaccine, the problem would almost certainly not exist.



 

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Trauma causes AI's. 

 



 



Yes, absolutely.  But trauma is not the only cause or trigger of AI.
 

I'm not saying that all AI's are caused by vaccines, nor that vaccines are the only cause or trigger of AI's.

 

But vaccines absolutely can and do trigger and/or cause AI's, and it's not because of trauma.

 

As Miriam posted, above, Rheumatoid Arthritis is listed as a potential side effect of the Hepatitis B vaccine.  There are also many published case reports of vaccine-induced MS and lupus.

 

Very recently, there has been a spate of studies published on how the aluminium adjuvants used in vaccines is causing autoimmune disorders. 

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I find it fascinating that adverse events/reactions are more freely acknowledged among veterinary medicine.

Here is an article about a study at Perdue:

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A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted several studies (1,2) to determine if vaccines can cause changes in the immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening immune-mediated diseases.
http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/purdue-vaccination-studies/

and here is a study from Cornell:

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Cats' vaccine-related cancer prompts review of vaccination protocols
Risk analysis may cut some 'shots' from standard list, Cornell feline health official says

FOR RELEASE: May 30, 1997        http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/May97/catshots.hrs.html

 

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I find it fascinating that adverse events/reactions are more freely acknowledged among veterinary medicine.

Here is an article about a study at Perdue:

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and here is a study from Cornell:

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Wow, that is fascinating! I remember hearing a few years ago that they've stopped recommending rabies vax every year bc it's effective for at least two and probably five. That kind of thing would *never* happen with children's vaccines. Always more, never less.

 

 




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Wow, that is fascinating! I remember hearing a few years ago that they've stopped recommending rabies vax every year bc it's effective for at least two and probably five. That kind of thing would *never* happen with children's vaccines. Always more, never less.

 

 



We recently switched veterinarians.  Our previous vet gave our indoor cats rabies vaccines every year, saying that she "didn't give the 3-year shot, only the 1-year shot."

 

Our new vet told us that there is only one rabies shot, that it's good for 3 years, that some vets give it every year because they can make more $, and that there is no evidence that it is more effective given yearly, especially for indoor-only cats.

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Thanks Luckiest. Many towns and cities now have a three year ordinance. There is actually a 'Rabies Challenge" currently being conducted to prove duration of  immunity for five, then perhaps even seven years. http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/

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