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Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 11:43 AM 09-11-2012

Is using an Epi Pen different than Vaxxing? I'm asking because my son has an epi pen prescription and the principal may use this against us when granting us vax exemption.



Bokonon's Avatar Bokonon 12:01 PM 09-11-2012

An epi-pen is medicine used in a life-threatening situation, while vaccines are preventive medicine.  I would hope he could see the difference between the two.  Not vaxing doesn't mean not medicating when there is a true health need.


Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 12:07 PM 09-11-2012

Yes - makes sense to me. But probably will not get me a pass with the school, because they only do religious exemptions in my state. So they would want to know that in a matter of life and death that we would stand by our religious convictions.

 

Just wondering if theres a way to get around that, since our argument was that we dont believe in injecting foreign materials into the bloodstream.


ma2two's Avatar ma2two 12:18 PM 09-11-2012

How about, you don't believe in injecting foreign materials into the bloodstream, unless your son is about to die? 


Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 12:42 PM 09-11-2012

I think Im pretty much sunk. I can't think of a reason they would grant me an exemption when my religious beliefs only matter in life and death. :( Any other ideas?


WildKingdom's Avatar WildKingdom 12:48 PM 09-11-2012
An Epi pen injects epinephrine. That's a human hormone. It's not a foreign material. I'm not sure why this is even a discussion. Unless your religious beliefs forbid all medications, this is a non-issue. Epinephrine is a medication that is only available in an injected form.
Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 01:11 PM 09-11-2012

Ok - now that may work.

 

This is a discussion because I'm truly at a loss and worried about how to handle this.

 

The principle has not signed off yet on this and has called me in to talk about my sons Epi-pen and the vaccine exemption. The only thing I can think is that they are going to try and use it against me.

 

But it is possible that Im just over analyzing. Just nervous...


sassyfirechick's Avatar sassyfirechick 01:39 PM 09-11-2012

Agreed.  You're not injecting a preventative - you're taking a live saving measure.

 

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An Epi pen injects epinephrine. That's a human hormone. It's not a foreign material.

WildKingdom's Avatar WildKingdom 02:56 PM 09-11-2012
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Originally Posted by Thing1Thing2 View Post

Ok - now that may work.

This is a discussion because I'm truly at a loss and worried about how to handle this.

The principle has not signed off yet on this and has called me in to talk about my sons Epi-pen and the vaccine exemption. The only thing I can think is that they are going to try and use it against me.

But it is possible that Im just over analyzing. Just nervous...
Sorry, bad wording on my part. I meant that I don't understand why the school is discussing this. They are creating an issue out of something ridiculous- comparing apples and oranges.
ma2two's Avatar ma2two 03:37 PM 09-11-2012

Are you in New York state? That is the only state where I could imagine this possibly being an issue.


Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 05:17 PM 09-11-2012

Yes I am. I'm so nervous! They are like bulldogs here.


ma2two's Avatar ma2two 05:42 PM 09-11-2012

Can you blame it on your husband? Your husband is going against your religious beliefs by insisting on an Epi-pen prescription?


Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 05:55 PM 09-11-2012

Good idea. It would have to be the other way around though. My husband was the one who wrote the letter. So it would have to be that I went against his beliefs and didn't tell him that I picked up the epi pen, but now that I realize it was against his beliefs I changed my mind about it.

 

By the way, he has never had to use the epi pen and we usually dont carry it with us.


pek64's Avatar pek64 06:03 PM 09-11-2012
If he has allergis that are severe enough to get him prescribed an epi-pen, he should carry it with him. It could be that he's not allowed to have the medication with him in school, and the nurse will have to keep it and administer it
This is happening in some school districts with some medications.
Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 06:34 PM 09-11-2012

Yah - he should. I do feel uncomfortable sending him to school without it.


pek64's Avatar pek64 07:22 PM 09-11-2012
You seem to be bouncing all over the place on this. It looks like you're letting fear get the better of you. The school officials will pick up on that. You've done nothing wrong. You never said you object to a needle being used to deliver medication. You have objected to the vaccine IN the needle. That's different! Keep that in mind.
Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 06:05 AM 09-12-2012

Thank you - yes I will say that. Im a bit of a nervous person to begin with, so this situation doesn't make it any better lol! Thanks for the advice.


kathymuggle's Avatar kathymuggle 07:03 AM 09-12-2012

How about using the whole human diploid-cell thing (i.e the fact that aborted fetuses or their cells were initially used in vaccine production)?

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines

 

Honestly, though, I would not volunteer information unless you have to.  Your reasons behind your religious exemption are not on trial.  I am not sure it is the principals place to judge them.


ma2two's Avatar ma2two 07:15 AM 09-12-2012
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How about using the whole human diploid-cell thing (i.e the fact that aborted fetuses or their cells were initially used in vaccine production)?

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines

 

 

In New York, that is considered a philosophical belief. The religious belief must be against the practice of vaccination, not any specific vaccine ingredients. The religious belief does not have to be against Epi-pens, however. The OP said her letter mentioned injecting foreign materials, but then WildKingdom pointed out Epi-pens inject a human hormone, which is not a foreign material.


shiningpearl's Avatar shiningpearl 08:07 AM 09-12-2012

In my objection letter, I stated that God created the immune system and that vaccines contain deceased matter that bypasses the very defense mechanisms that God created.  It's not about medicine or needles. 


emmy526's Avatar emmy526 08:09 AM 09-12-2012

Get a hold of her > Patricia Finn Attorney   she can answer your questions

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Yes I am. I'm so nervous! They are like bulldogs here.


ma2two's Avatar ma2two 05:46 PM 09-12-2012

If the principal knows your son has a prescription for the Epi-pen, and you have not provided the Epi-pen to the school, that's most likely what he wants to talk about. They don't want to be sued.


Thing1Thing2's Avatar Thing1Thing2 07:38 AM 09-13-2012
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In New York, that is considered a philosophical belief. The religious belief must be against the practice of vaccination, not any specific vaccine ingredients. The religious belief does not have to be against Epi-pens, however. The OP said her letter mentioned injecting foreign materials, but then WildKingdom pointed out Epi-pens inject a human hormone, which is not a foreign material.

Yes, this makes the most sense to me, even though the other comments were helpful.

 

I hope you are right in saying that the meeting will most likely be about providing the epi-pen. The principals secretary specifically said that the principal wants to meet with all those who are applying for exemption AND have allergies requiring an epi-pen.

 

To me this sound more like something they are going to bring up as questioning me for allowing an epi pen but not vaccines.


Mirzam's Avatar Mirzam 10:32 AM 09-13-2012
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Yes, this makes the most sense to me, even though the other comments were helpful.

 

I hope you are right in saying that the meeting will most likely be about providing the epi-pen. The principals secretary specifically said that the principal wants to meet with all those who are applying for exemption AND have allergies requiring an epi-pen.

 

To me this sound more like something they are going to bring up as questioning me for allowing an epi pen but not vaccines.

Yikes, it doesn't sound good. My fingers are crossed for you that all goes smoothly.


sassyfirechick's Avatar sassyfirechick 03:48 PM 09-13-2012

Well if it really comes down to it, stand your ground - it's none of the principal's damn busniess why you chose one and not the other.  You have that right to chose.


Asiago's Avatar Asiago 06:11 PM 09-13-2012

I found this, it may be helpful regarding both the exemption and the epi pen:

 

http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/stateincludes/nyhelp.htm#cfic


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