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#1 of 22 Old 10-31-2012, 07:36 PM - Thread Starter
 
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Hi all- I have at 17 month old dd whom I've decided not to vaccinate so I've really seen no point in taking her to well visits at the doctors. In fact, the last time she was at the doctors was when she was 4 months old and accidently scratched her eye with her fingernail and I had to put ointment in her eye for a few days so it wouldn't get infected. I took her back to make sure it healed and that's been it. I can see that she is growing like a weed- she towers over other children her age, she eats well, sleeps well, is saying lots of words, etc. I'm keeping track of her development and she is my third so I'm familiar with what she should be doing at these stages. She has never gotten more than a simple cold- has never needed antibiotics or any type of prescription. I would like to eventually take her for a checkup but I'm afraid when the doctor sees that it's been so long since she's been seen, he'll report me or something. Could this happen? Is there anything I need to do to protect myself? I know this isn't specifically a vaccination question but I've found myself in this situation because of my non-vax decision and I was hoping you ladies may have had similar experiences and would know if there was any concerns I needed to be aware of.
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maybe have a naturpath or homeopathic dr on hand, and use one of those drs for a checkup...that way you're not getting accused of neglect, should someone say something.....i don't think legally there's anything they can do, esp if your child is never sick.   

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no, you cannot get in trouble for not taking your child for regular checkups.  if anything, you should be commended for not taking up time and space that could have been used tending to children who are sick and need a doctor's attention.  speaking as one who had one of those children (my oldest - honest to gods, i swear the hospital and family medical clinic was going to assign me a permanent parking spot!), you get a gold star.

 

where you get in trouble is if your child is showing obvious signs of illness or injury or not growing properly and you don't get them seen - that's child abuse, category "neglect".

 

since your child is healthy and thriving, shouldn't be an issue.

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Since many doctors will not do sick visits for individuals who are not established as their patients, I think it's worthwhile to get a checkup for her to assure that she can get seen (besides in the ER) if she ever does get sick. 

 

It's my experience that most doctors are pretty understanding about falling behind on WCV, and having to catch back up.  Some doctors think scolding parents helps keep them coming back on schedule, but that's kind of nuts, and I think if you ask around, other parents will be able to recommend someone who's basically a reasonable person.

 

The circumstances in which I think a doctor might call CPS are things like "you never do WCV, and this child shows signs of abuse", or "you never do WCV for this kid, who is borderline FTT, but your other kids see a doctor on a regular basis and are fine."  I think when you come in with a healthy kiddo and the information that the whole family has just fallen behind on this, most docs are pretty understanding.

 

I massively disagree with ThreeNorns, btw - WCV are most important because they catch early signs of health issues before they become problems.  I have more then one friend whose cardiac defect was caught at a WCV, giving them and their parents the necessary info to keep them from having (or dying of) heart attacks in their teens.  Please don't ever hesitate to schedule on the basis that only sick children "need" the doctor's attention.

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I once read that well visits are just to get parents on a schedule to bring their kids in for their shots. I did well visits with my 1st son and my ped caught a health issue that I never would have found, so I'm glad I brought him in.  However, I did not do WVC with my 2nd son. He was born at home, I brought him in around 2 mths just to establish a doctor relationship with him and thats been about it.


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Ok I feel a little better! We have a pediatrician (he treated her eye injury and is my other two kids' doc as well). My other two are older (6&7) and when they were babies they had sinus infections and other typical kid stuff that kept us going to the doctor on a regular basis. I'm extra careful when the kids are young and tend to take them to the doctors for everything just to make sure- I just can't believe my daughter's made it a year and a half without ever having a fever (knock on wood). It's so weird to have one of my kids go so long without needing any type of medical care that it almost feels like I am doing something wrong.
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On a personal note, I agree with the posters who said that WBV can be good for stuff other than vaccines, such as catching an illness brfore it progresses. I don't vaccinate, but still go to all my WBVs. I've caught ear infections early that way and cured them without needing drugs.

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I have a great doctor who doesn't give me grief about my modified vaccination schedule. But sometimes I get a different doctor or N.P. who does give me a big ear full. While it can feel annoying and condescending, the visit is not there to make me feel good. It's to give me more information, and check the health of my child. I figure that's worth getting scolded by someone. Heck, I think it's very good to keep a dialogue open with a health care provider who will challenge my decisions so I can re-visit them on a regular basis and make sure I'm making the decision for the well-being of my child, or my ego. So I try to listen because I ALWAYS come away with something very helpful. Often the most helpful words come from people who do not agree with my 'way' because they have a different approach I hadn't thought of.
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Hi all- I have at 17 month old dd whom I've decided not to vaccinate so I've really seen no point in taking her to well visits at the doctors. In fact, the last time she was at the doctors was when she was 4 months old and accidently scratched her eye with her fingernail and I had to put ointment in her eye for a few days so it wouldn't get infected. I took her back to make sure it healed and that's been it. I can see that she is growing like a weed- she towers over other children her age, she eats well, sleeps well, is saying lots of words, etc. I'm keeping track of her development and she is my third so I'm familiar with what she should be doing at these stages. She has never gotten more than a simple cold- has never needed antibiotics or any type of prescription. I would like to eventually take her for a checkup but I'm afraid when the doctor sees that it's been so long since she's been seen, he'll report me or something. Could this happen? Is there anything I need to do to protect myself? I know this isn't specifically a vaccination question but I've found myself in this situation because of my non-vax decision and I was hoping you ladies may have had similar experiences and would know if there was any concerns I needed to be aware of.

 

I have a 16 month old who has never seen a doctor.  :)

 

She was born at home, healthy as can be, and has only been examined by my nurse-midwife.  I do not value "well" visits. I understand why some people think they're important, but in many cases a doctor's visit will result in the recommendation to medically intervene in some unnecessary way.  If it ain't broke, and all that.

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I agree with Emma :) My son is 15 months and hasn't seen a doctor since he was 6 weeks old. He's never been sick except for the odd fever when he's teething and I just find the check-ups pointless unless you're vaccinating. We keep track of his height and weight ourselves to make sure he's developing normally :)


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I too have a son who's never set foot in the hospital. He's 19 months, robust, 3 feet tall and 36 pounds! He was born at home and has only had his midwife check-ups at birth to 6 weeks. The way my family sees it, people should go to the hospital for trauma (broken bones, concussions etc..) or to die. If neither of that is happening I see no reason to bring him in there and expose him to all the sickness in there. I have absolutely no faith for doctors knowledge as I have found through my 2 visits during early pregnancy that I always ended up understanding and knowing more about my health, nutrition and general health practices then this "doctor" did. Doctors are good for surgery, fixing what's broken and prescribing Big Pharma pills. I have a stethoscope, a ear monitor and many other gadgets at hand if I need them. I am a trained herbalist and follow Dr. Cathcart and Dr. Klenners research about taking high-dose vitamin C. My son almost never gets sick and when he does it's extremely mild and short lived. My family practices wise nutrition choices and understands that all illness comes from our nutrition choices, environment and emotional/mental issues, ( which are also supported by nutrition inevitably.) Bottom line, do your own research, trust your own judgement, doctor yourself. Yes of course if it's obvious there is something wrong that you cannot diagnose right off the bat, take your child in. This isn't about idealism, it's about necessity and rationality. 

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I am of two minds on WCV.  

 

I did them until about 6 months - since then we have seen the doctor on an "as needed" basis.

 

In the very early days, I did want to keep an eye on their weight and such.

 

I also had 2 issues spring up in early visits (both turned out to be nothing) that I never would have caught myself.  One doctor was concerned about my middles hips, the other I asked about an undescended testicle. Doctors can find stuff we miss.   I do not know what the stats are - and what percent of seemingly healthy children need WCV - it would be an interesting stat to know.

 

There are cons to WCV as well.  It is annoying to go through rounds of "you should vax," and, more importantly, there are sick people in doctors offices!  I do like to keep exposure to sick people (particularly for babies) at a minimum.  

 

OP - do as you like.  smile.gif  I doubt the doctor will give you hard time over the delay in WCV, though you might be given a hard time over not vaxxing.  Just practice some pat lines "we are still researching it - we will ask you if we have any questions."


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OP - your doctor should not give you any grief over missing WBVs. I would follow your gut feeling. Some feel better not going, some the other way. I have to admit though that in the back of my mind there is the 'could they go after me for not going to WBVs'...but it may be because dd has Medicaid and I feel like we may be more under a radar because of that. 

 

I kind of agree with Emma. I feel like the way western medicine is practiced there is some room for (otherwise needless) intervention that could actually cause harm. I actually wouldnt trust any pediatrician or a medical specialist and would rather go to some sort of naturopath if there was an issue. But that's the way we live and what we believe in.

 

DD only had 3 WBVs so far, she is almost 3. One at 5 days, another at 1 month (that's when we got fired for not vaccinating, I was also told I had to give daugher the prescribed vitamins because she is only breastfed - not good enough, that I have to feed her every 3 hours only, not when she wants to eat, etc....a complete waste of time for me) and then nothing until she was almost 2. We didn't need to go in but I wanted to see if the doctor is worth keeping (= how much he will be unhappy with us not vaxing) because we were moving. She almost 3 now. Never sick. The WBVs, in our case, were all a waste of time, the majority of time was spent defending both sides of whatever we had a different opinion on. I can take her measurements at home, the only thing I didn't do was listen to her heart. By not going, we didn't have to bring home any germs that the waiting room and office was full of.


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Ok so I must have jinxed myself or something because last night my daughter started coughing and started a little cold. My middle son has reactive airway disease and the way she was coughing kind of sounded like he does when he needs a nebulizer treatment, so I took her to the doctor today to make sure her lungs were clear and she was breathing properly. Well, the nurse wanted to get her weight so we tried to get her to stand on the scale and she flipped out. So the nurse tried to sit her on the baby scale but she's too big and the weight wouldn't register! We finally got her to stand on the big scale long enough to get a semi-accurate weight. The nurse said "I'll look at her chart to see what she weighed the last time she was here and if this weight seems way off from that we'll do it again." I just kept my mouth shut but I'm thinking in my head of course her weight is going to be way off from the last time- that was over a year ago! But she didn't say anything- I think she was afraid that they lost part of her chart and didn't want to tell me. I could see her flipping through the papers several times and then just moved on. Lol. After the doctor saw her all she said at the end was "she's due for a well visit soon so make sure you schedule that." And that was it. It was kind of funny- I could tell they were confused but were afraid maybe they had made some kind of mistake but I didn't offer any information!
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No, you can't 'get in trouble'. That said, I really like to keep in touch with our pedi and because she doesn't hassle me about vaccinations we go in every 6-9months for a check up. 


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I pretty much gave up on regular pediatricians after one of them told me my dd was "spoiled" at four months old for not ever having had a bottle, and another claimed all I needed was to just "watch and wait" after she had a reaction to some food as a toddler (and I wanted to get her tested for allergies on my insurance's dime).

 

She did end up growing out of having reactions, but I sure didn't appreciate the dismissive attitude coupled with being hounded about whether or not we're up-to-date on vaccines at each visit.

 

Right now I am so fortunate to have a holistic MD family doctor who told me at our first visit that he was against vaccines and any meds if lifestyle changes can be made first for any health issues.  joy.gif

 

It figures though, he's one of the few in my area that takes insurance. Most of the good ones who don't believe in vaccinations practice in the pricey part of town and don't need to take insurance.
 


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We don't vaccinate either, but we take our son in for an annual checkup just to let the doctor look at his ears, eyes, take his heartbeat etc.  I figure that will catch anything that we might not be alerted to, PLUS my son gets to see a medical professional in a non-scary environment and have those routine things done. That way, if he's ever in hospital, I'm hoping that the white coats etc. won't be so scary. 

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We have a very laid back doctor, but he has given me a bit of grief about vaccinations, which is probably why I didn't go to as many WBV's as I would have. I definitely went more with DD1 than DD2. I'd say every few months for the first year, then basically sopped. I think the next (and last) time I took them to a doctor DD1 was about 2 and she had a rash. The doc (not our regular doc) didn't even approach her, just sat in her chair and said she didn't know what it was. I took a pic and asked my online mama friends, and pretty much concluded that it was a viral rash. Needless to say, I'm happy that my kids (now 4 and 6) are healthy and rarely get sick, and we haven't had any need to visit the doctor.


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WBVs can diagnose all sorts of things you might not find at home-heart murmurs ( if you've never heard one, you won't know what it is), eyesight problems, obesity! Yes obesity! And as another poster stated hip problems and an undescended testicle. Please find a dr you like and take your child in!
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I stopped taking my son to WCVs when he was nine months old. He goes to the doc (naturopath) when he is sick.

It is your decision when to take your son to the doc. Unless you are neglecting him there is no "trouble" you can get into. And if the doc gives you grief you can just say, "Thankyouverymuch but I'm confident in my decisions with my child." End of story!

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WBVs can diagnose all sorts of things you might not find at home-heart murmurs ( if you've never heard one, you won't know what it is), eyesight problems, obesity! Yes obesity! And as another poster stated hip problems and an undescended testicle. Please find a dr you like and take your child in!

they didn't diagnose my dd's poor vision EVER....come to find out, she's struggled with her vision for 3years before we found out..there was NO concern by any dr about my dd tripping over her own feet in an empty room-none at all.  No concern over the way she tilted her head to look at stuff- no concern over her refusal to to any kind of fine manipulation play, or coloring, --  come to find out, she couldn't see what she was doing!  So, just having an infant 'track' the light with their eyes is not enough, imo...i would ask about her eyesight, and got pooh poohed for asking such a thing of a young child-'she couldn't possiby need glasses at her age', type of sarcasm.   She had a severe astigmatism in one eye and farsightedness, and the other eye had 500vision, nearsighted, and was very weak.  Which, unf, went UNdiagnosed til she was 5 yrs old. 

Obesity---one dr had the nerve to tell me my 8mo old at 17lbs was obese!!!  We never went back there again! I don't have much trust at all in drs...i pretty much question EVERYTHING they do. 

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One of mine didn't see a doctor (after her initial checkup)until she was three. She just was never sick enough, and she was my third so I knew what to look for. She did develop an ear infection, to where she was yelling at people in the bed one night(who weren't talking!) and hearing thunder(no thunder, either). It actually wasn't that bad when she went to the doctor the next day. He was the one ped in my town known for giving parents freedom of choices without grief. He started sleeping with his patients' moms and resigned so now I have to drive 40+ minutes for a doc like that.

 

If I could do it over, I would have had a ped from the start, just for peace of mind, and so in an emergency I wouldn't have to panic and scramble. That really, really sucks. That child's ped at birth called cps on us bc we had a homebirth and refused all the routine stuff(eyes, vit K,...and that's not even illegal here), and was really angry when we brought the baby to her at 2 days pp for a checkup. I was terrified to take her to a doctor again for anything less than an emergency for a loooong time. For my next homebirth baby, we specifically found a family doctor who does mostly pediatrics and OB. He even has a blog about freedom of choice, and how he believes in vaccinating but he believes in freedom of parental choice more. He is awesome and I felt so much relief after the birth knowing I had someone like that as a backup.

 

And to Emmy526- I trip over my own feet daily and I have perfect vision. That is not something that would indicate vision issues, ime. Lots of people are like that. The other stuff you mention though would be a sign!


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