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#1 of 16 Old 01-29-2013, 11:19 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I hate and distrust hospitals/doctors so much that I did a homebirth October 2012.

 

I've always been "iffy" about shots (my mom was EXTREMELY selective). I decided to do only 2 singleton or 1 combo shot and ONLY dead shots for my son. 

 

At our last Ped visit, I was bullied into 2 shots and the RV shot, which I thought was dead (you can't expect me to remember everything, I even asked the doctor who said it was dead). Within 12 hours, my son had FIVE poops (1st was normal, but bright green, 2nd was 50/50 mucous and it slowly morphed to the bright green all-mucous poop). That night, he was sitting on my lap facing out as I was rocking him. He froze and suddenly burst into a scream. Thinking he was uncomfortable, I gave him to my partner/his dad with my son facing me. Three times in 10 minutes, he froze and his face turned to a painful silent scream. Then, he quietly let out 2 whimpers.

 

Needless to say, I think he had seizures and the doctor told me not to worry, that it wasn't a seizure and I didn't know what I was talking about (um... I was a certified medical assistant trained by a registered nurse). She also told me the poops were normal since the RV shot was LIVE. He's been fine/normal since and it was only this one day that he was "off".

 

I'm 100% against vax's now (the ingredients scare the crap out of me!). In what universe is it ok to inject mercury or monkey kidney cells into a human, but we can't mix blood types?? My partner says he doesn't want to leave our son "unprotected". I told him the shots were more dangerous than the diseases themselves.

 

I have no idea where to start or what to do. I want to do a research pack like I did for myself (I don't do gyn stuff due to them being unreliable) filled with the ingredients of vaccines, how they're ineffective/useless/dangerous, etc. 

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here is a link to the inserts so you can see the poison they deem is "safe" to inject into your child

http://vactruth.com/vaccine-inserts/

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:

Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY



http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf


WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm


Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm

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vac are no more a big deal than how you will deal with anything else-it's all STRESS twins.gif

 

the food you put into him, etc - you will need to think about all things! the list you were given is a great start, don't over whelm yourself, you can do it!

 

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I'm 100% against vax's now (the ingredients scare the crap out of me!). In what universe is it ok to inject mercury or monkey kidney cells into a human, but we can't mix blood types?? My partner says he doesn't want to leave our son "unprotected". I told him the shots were more dangerous than the diseases themselves.

 

 

Have your partner take a look at the CDC pink book to see just how rare many diseases are.  Most rates of VADs are really, really low!

 

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

 

How old is your son?


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Thank you everyone! I'll look into the links. 

 

My son was born Oct 5 (the day after mine), 2012, so he's almost 4 months.

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Thank you everyone! I'll look into the links. 

 

My son was born Oct 5 (the day after mine), 2012, so he's almost 4 months.

Ah, he is young.  Babies luxlove.gif

 

I think a good place to start is with diseases your child is likely to encounter/ problematic in babies and their vaccines…and take if from there.  

 

3 that come to mind are Hib, rota and pertussis.

 

Breastfeeding has some protective effects against Hib; breastfeeding and not being in daycare are protective against rota (which is very rarely fatal is developed countries).  Pertussis is messy - no one wants an infant to get it, but the the shot is not effective until at least the second shot, and perhaps the third, which is after the danger period has passed.   It is not a highly effective shot, period.

 

Link on hib and breastfeeding:

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/breastfeeding-protective-against-hib

 

Here is a link to a discussion on this board from a couple of months ago on how a non-vax mama would approach pertussis with an infant.

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1371175/civil-discussion-on-pertussis

 

As a non-vaxxer, I think it is important to get an idea of what the risk factors are for diseases, how to prevent it, how to treat it if it occurs, and when to seek help.  Of course, pro-vaxxers should do this as well - it is not as if vaccination is 100% effective….


There is a battle of two wolves inside us.  One is good and the other is evil.  The wolf that wins is the one you feed.

 

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Thank you Kathymuggle! I'm planning on being a SAHM until he goes to Kindergarten. All of my work-certificates have expired (I was a multi-certified nanny), so I can't work until I go back to school anyways and I'm considering swapping careers anyways.

 

Other than the side effects from the RV, he's NEVER been sick, never so much as a cough. Though he did have a ton of (normal) sneezing. I honestly don't think any of the shots/vax's are effective. If they were, only 1 shot would be needed ever and we wouldn't have any of these diseases in the vax's population. Instead, I'm seeing MULTIPLE doses and the diseases are more common in the VAX'd population.

 

After being told by 25 doctors when I was 19 I'd never get pregnant (or even give birth to a live baby), I'm EXTREMELY careful around my baby, especially since 3 doctors "missed" his Velamentous Cord Insertion, which almost killed him (would have killed him if we were birthing in a hospital!). But, then again, the doctors also told me I'd need dialysis in the pregnancy (my kidney function doubled in the pregnancy and is still there and my blood pressure actually lowered and is still low).

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Check out using a homeoprophylaxis program, that introduces your child to 8 of the childhood diseases that are typically vaccinated for, but in a homeopathic manner. No toxic chemical, just the diluted, energetic form of the disease. Dr. Isaac Golden of Australia has research over 30 years showing a 98% efficacy rate when children who had gone through the protocol were exposed to the disease itself. 

 

a few links to check out: 

www.vaccinefree.wordpress.com

and

http://hpsolution.org/

 

good luck! When i found homeopathy, it made my decision to not vaccinate my kids soooo much easier because I felt like I had a real option. Homeopathy has an amazing track record for treating epidemics and infectious disease. Just recently, Cuba used homeoprophylaxis to prevent Leptospirosis with amazing results. 


I am a homeopath, offering acute and constitutional consultations for children, babies, and parents. Long-distance treatment is easy, either phone or skype! I also am certified to offer Homeoprophylaxis, a vaccine-alternative program. Message me for more details. www.concentrichealing.com
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Thank you for the concise and very informative response. I had intended on doing something like this, but haven't had the time. We have chosen not to vaccinate because we did the research and asked ourselves these very questions. I have had friends ask me what research I have done and my response is usually that I have read every book imaginable, gone to lectures on the subject etc., but have never had a list like this to present. Hope you don't mind me sharing when the opportunity presents itself again. THANK YOU!!

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I completely agree with you that the shots are more dangerous than the diease itself. That is exactly how I feel. I just want to encourage you to follow your mommy instinct which tells you to not vax for now, do a ton more research, get educated, than have a heart to heart with your partner.

Oh, and everything Kathy said, ditto. She's very smart; I doubt I've ever disagreed with ANY of her responses! Lol

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my husband was very reluctant about not Vaxing. I asked him to read the same things i had read and we would talk about it more. He did about half the reading and decided i did know what i was talking about. This approch may work for you. He still has doughts at times and challenges me so I continue to research and discuss with him what I find.
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Oh, and everything Kathy said, ditto. She's very smart; I doubt I've ever disagreed with ANY of her responses! Lol

Thank you!  I can feel my head swelling…...


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my husband was very reluctant about not Vaxing. I asked him to read the same things i had read and we would talk about it more. He did about half the reading and decided i did know what i was talking about. This approch may work for you. He still has doughts at times and challenges me so I continue to research and discuss with him what I find.

Good for you! Very good job

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Thank you!  I can feel my head swelling…...

Where's my pin......oh here it is!!! (((((POP))))))

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He's been fine/normal since and it was only this one day that he was "off".

 

I wish DD had only been off for a day!  She got the oral RV and it was weeks before her poop was normal :-( 

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Well we this his partial seizures were due to the RV. His ped labeled it in his record as "seizure-like stiffening" banghead.gif I know partial seizures when I see them (now at least, but I had a VERY STRONG feeling it was a ps when I saw it.) The first thing I said when he seized was "OMG! I think he's having seizures!"

 

He has yet to receive anymore and I'm now looking for a ped who does NOT push vax. So hard with HMO!!

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