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 Not once does she mention that both US and Italian governments have, in the last several months, both admitted that MMR caused autism, and compensated the families.
 

I'm very interested to learn more about this, can you tell me  where you got the info?  cheers.

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I'm very interested to learn more about this, can you tell me  where you got the info?  cheers.

 

 
 
 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/9977550/Who-is-to-blame-for-Wales-measles-outbreak.html

 

I find the comments particularly helpful for further reasearch - esp. JackieFletcher, johnfryer
 


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So for 2012, measles cases in the UK were way, way below places like Romania and the Ukraine. Wonder why? Don't they do MMR there, too? Do they have different vax recommendations there? Or do they make their own vaxes? Why the difference?

 

For Romania, not sure - from WHO, it looks like their rates have been steady around 95%.

But, for Ukraine, the govt suspended the measles-rubella vax program after the death of a 17-yr old is suspected to be due to measles vax.  The vax rate has declined since, down from 94% in 2008 to 67% in 2011.

http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/interactive_charts/immunization/mcv/atlas.html

 

WHO/UNICEF/CDC seems to think that the vaxes administered were safe:

http://www.euro.who.int/en/what-we-publish/information-for-the-media/sections/press-releases/2008/05/who,-unicef-and-cdc-regret-the-government-of-ukraines-decision-to-suspend-the-national-measles-and-rubella-vaccination-campaign

 

I haven't found any good resource(s) for the other side of the story yet.  However, while searching, more questions arose ...

 

I ran into an article how there are - many - genotypes of measles vaxes/viruses.  So, what's the difference between strains and genotypes for a virus? 

http://www.who.int/immunization_monitoring/diseases/measles_monthlydata/en/index1.html

 

Global Distribution of Measles Genotypes and Measles Molecular Epidemiology

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/204/suppl_1/S514.full

From this article:

"The WHO currently recognizes 8 clades, designated A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H. Within these clades, there are 23 recognized genotypes, designated A, B1, B2, B3, C1, C2, D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, E, F, G1, G2, G3, H1, and H2, and 1 provisional genotype, d11."

... then a bit later on ... in the same article

"All measles vaccines belong to genotype A [24], which is a genotype that is not associated with documented endemic transmission in any part of the world."

 

So, does a vax against genotype A protect against other genotypes or not?


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Wow, great research, MamaM!

 

You are right, the more we learn, the more questions come up.

 

If the Ukrainian government suspended the MR vaccination program, what vaccine or vaccines ARE they giving in order to achieve a 67% vax rate? (Sorry if that was in one of the links, I'm a bit crunched for time right now).)

 

And I also wonder about the genotype question.  Do immunologists even know the answer, or is this one of those "generally recognized as effective" kind of issues where they could be making a mistaken assumption?

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nice data - shows a lot  -  http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2013/apr/26/mmr-vaccinations-primary-care-trust 

 

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Here is the European vaccination list: http://www.euvac.net/graphics/euvac/vaccination/romania.html
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If the Ukrainian government suspended the MR vaccination program, what vaccine or vaccines ARE they giving in order to achieve a 67% vax rate?

 

And I also wonder about the genotype question.  Do immunologists even know the answer, or is this one of those "generally recognized as effective" kind of issues where they could be making a mistaken assumption?

 

Sorry it took ... so ... long to respond.

 

Ukraine - it looks like the reason  the vax rate dropped was due to questions of vax quality after the death of a 17-yr old and also question of strain.

http://www.unicef.org/ukraine/media_9026.html

 

Genotype:

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/204/suppl_1/S533.full

Genetic Characterization of Measles Vaccine Strains

 

From the section in the article above:

IMMUNOGENICITY, PROTECTION AGAINST DIFFERENT GENOTYPES, AND ADVERSE EVENTS

"... More importantly, despite the presence of different endemic genotypes, vaccination programs with standard measles vaccines have been successful in every country where they were performed adequately [191-193]. Suboptimal seroconversion after vaccination is likely the result of inadequate coverage; improper administration, transport, or storage of vaccine; or age of the vaccine recipients [194-196]. ..."

 

So, based on this article, the existing measles vax is good againts different genotypes - I'd wait till they do more studies ... At least enough many so they're easy to google ... :)


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