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Ill try to keep it short...our just turned 3yo DD has received no shot other than the vitK shot in the heel at birth. We wanted to wait until she was "Two and Talking", which we have, but now we have questions. Being in Pinellas County, will the DOH allow us to pick our shots ala carte? What shots are truly needed? Could we obtain religious exemption then get ala carte by out of pocket means and how much is that, ballpark?? I realize some of this is of great debate but any and all answers are appreciated, thx.

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Do you mean for some sort of public school? I have a vax injured child who is on the spectrum as a result of the MMR and he won't be getting another shot as long as I'm alive. I just simply won't have it. We are committed to homeschooling, however, and I even do his therapy at home because the center wouldn't take us because of our anti/no-vax status(!!!). We are in Leon County and there is only one child I know who is not vaxed and who attends PS. Her parents have a legitimate religious exemption, though.
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I am a little confused as to what you are asking. Here is a great thread that should answer your questions. If it doesn't come back and we will see if we can help. It starts off about WIC, but full of info.

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/828848/fl-vax-laws

 

to take from amydep: "IME, you need the exemption for school. DH went to the health department and requested the religious exemption. They are not allowed to ask you what religion you are. It is against the law.

If your child has received prior vaccinations, you do not need to turn in the vax form to the school - just the exemption. I was told this by our school district.

In fact, I wouldn't even offer the vax form because it would just cause more confusion/questions. All they need is the exemption form which is easily obtained by going to the health department. You may want to call before to see if you need an appointment, but in our area no appointment was necessary."

 

 

AS for DOH. You are going to get your shots from the DOH? Of course, you can get or refuse anything you want. One or all.... ?You can even refuse which brands they give you. just make sure to see exactly what they give you before you allow anything.

 

Why would you pay yourself? You only need exemption for school. If you want shots, get them and then get exemption before you go to school.

 

What shots are truly needed?  LOL, that is up for debate.

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vaccination:

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:
Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices 1/18 DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORHqEedtUY

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552&q

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6351515212287981735&hl=en

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

WHO GRAPH-http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/en/globalsummary/timeseries/tsincidencepol.htm

Beyond Conformity Resources Page- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/resources

Do you have a quick-fire summary?- http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/questions#

Inside Vaccines- http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/05/04/0960327111407644.full.pdf+html
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf

http://vaers.hhs.gov/index
http://www.thinktwice.com/sids.htm

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Thank you to all who have answered...I sprang this on you last minute, we actually went to the DOH after i posted this and received our exemption with no qualms, what a relief after reading some of the tales on here..

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It's not enough to 'just' have an exemption.  That is not a measure of safety....

 

You have to know why you are not doing what you are not doing.

 

You need to know all the above in ssun5's post and more besides, because if you don't, and something happens where you feel hung out to dry, you will be legless.

 

Every legless non-vaccinating parent that gets trampled over, gives people like Offit another reason to say that non-vaccinators are emotional, unstable, and incapable of rational thought, and that's why we should eliminate exemptions because they are child abuse.

 

You need to have this motto.  Be Wise. Educate yourself then Strategize.  Or as the Guides motto used to be... "Be prepared".

 

An exemption doesn't grant you carte-blanche peace of mind.

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To opt-out of Florida's vaccine tracking system: http://www.flshots.org/_pdfs/OptOutDH-1478.pdf

 

This is the "I'm Not Vaccinating" board, so I think that most here think that there are NO vaccines that are needed.

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To opt-out of Florida's vaccine tracking system: http://www.flshots.org/_pdfs/OptOutDH-1478.pdf

 

This is the "I'm Not Vaccinating" board, so I think that most here think that there are NO vaccines that are needed.

Touchè. Maybe a moderator could move the thread for me? But quite honestly, at this point, we may agree that NO vax is needed. We have strived to give her superb nutrition, which is no small feat with her being the pickiest little eater ever! We are admittedly under informed, which is our fault, but just thought an abundance of caution was the best policy for us in these first years of her life. With shool age nearing, we will be investigating which, if any, shots would be prudent. Could you also tell me what are the pros/cons of opting out of the vaccine tracking system??

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Selective vaxxer here. But I'll stick with the non-vax spirit of this forum.

The way I read FL's statutes, it's sounds like you are in an all-or-nothing state, unfortunately.

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/florida.aspx

It's a stupid, stupid, stupid policy because allowing parents to choose certain ones might lead to an uptick in vax rates for diseases like pertussis and measles. I'd think that They would want that. But whatever. shrug.gif If forced to do all or nothing, I'd do nothing. But I hope I never have to make that choice.

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Selective vaxxer here. But I'll stick with the non-vax spirit of this forum.

The way I read FL's statutes, it's sounds like you are in an all-or-nothing state, unfortunately.

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/florida.aspx

It's a stupid, stupid, stupid policy because allowing parents to choose certain ones might lead to an uptick in vax rates for diseases like pertussis and measles. I'd think that They would want that. But whatever. shrug.gif If forced to do all or nothing, I'd do nothing. But I hope I never have to make that choice.

I've read conflicting answers/experiences on the "all or nothing" rule, if that is the enforced policy then it is very unfortunate...may i ask which vaxxes you did select if of course you dont mind sharing that?

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Could you also tell me what are the pros/cons of opting out of the vaccine tracking system??

 

In a supposedly "all or nothing" state, if you want to give one or more vaccines, it's good to opt-out of the vaccine tracking system because that way, there is no database showing which vaccines the child has gotten, if any. The health department is the place where you get the exemption, and if you opt-out of tracking, they won't have any way of knowing if the child has gotten any vaccines or not (unless you tell them).

 

I doubt if "all or nothing" is strictly enforced in Florida. You can always say that your religious beliefs changed after you vaccinated. 

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It's not enough to 'just' have an exemption.  That is not a measure of safety....

 

You have to know why you are not doing what you are not doing.

 

You need to know all the above in ssun5's post and more besides, because if you don't, and something happens where you feel hung out to dry, you will be legless.

 

Every legless non-vaccinating parent that gets trampled over, gives people like Offit another reason to say that non-vaccinators are emotional, unstable, and incapable of rational thought, and that's why we should eliminate exemptions because they are child abuse.

 

You need to have this motto.  Be Wise. Educate yourself then Strategize.  Or as the Guides motto used to be... "Be prepared".

 

An exemption doesn't grant you carte-blanche peace of mind.


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In a supposedly "all or nothing" state, if you want to give one or more vaccines, it's good to opt-out of the vaccine tracking system because that way, there is no database showing which vaccines the child has gotten, if any. The health department is the place where you get the exemption, and if you opt-out of tracking, they won't have any way of knowing if the child has gotten any vaccines or not (unless you tell them).

 

I doubt if "all or nothing" is strictly enforced in Florida. You can always say that your religious beliefs changed after you vaccinated. 

 

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In my opinion, the minute you lie about something, in the eyes of the state you are "toast".  And it's people who lie because they consider it expedient, who give Paul Offit all the belly fire he needs to want to remove religious exemptions.

 

Religious exemptions are for those with honestly held religious beliefs, and to use them dishonestly deprives those with strong convictions of their rights.

 

The other thing is - whether you are selectively vaccinating or not, doesn't matter in terms of educating yourself.  After all, most of the whooping cough happens in vaccinated people.  The medical literature has a raft of tetanus cases in fully and over vaccinated people.  In Russia, many of the people who got diphtheria in the 1990's had had more than 8 shots.  In USA, last year, in the mumps outbreak in the Jewish community, most of those children had had 2 MMRs.

 

Look at it this way.  And provaccine people here take note.  If the current law changes around the USA require the non-vaccinating parent to be "educated" why do those same laws require no education from people who observe the niki motto and "just do it"?

 

Why does the medical profession not educate the provaxers that vaccination doesn't me your child won't get it?  Because they falsely (maybe) tell parents that if they do get it, it will be mild and no problem, which is an outright lie.  why do they require legislation to brain bash those who have probably researched vaccines 100 times more than the provaccine parents ever will?  that was a side rant...

 

Mealy - you asked "may i ask which vaxxes you did select if of course you dont mind sharing that?"

 

Why are you asking someone what they selected and why?  The majority of people who select any vaccine, do so, because it's a disease they are scared of, or maybe a family member had it, and they can't see past that.  the facts of the disease actually mean little.  it's about what emotional chains which disease yanks.  Just because my husband's grandfather died of tetanus at the age of 53, does that have any relevance to me? No.

I believe you need to ask yourself why you are wanting other people to tell you why they did what they did.  That cannot form the basis of your convictions.

 

How would you feel if you discussed why you did something to someone else, and they took that advice... and it went wrong, and when asked why they did that, they said, "Well, I thought Mealy knew what she was talking about!" Implying that your opinion swayed her.

 

Immunisation is way too important a topic to make a decision based on other people's thoughts.  Your convictions must be yours alone, not anyone elses...For two reasons:

 

1) So that you can stand on your own two feet and know why - to the enth degree

 

2) So that you don't provide fodder for the provaccine people who want to say that those who pick and chose, don't use their own brains and decide on science alone.

 

Just my opinion.

 

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OP, I'm in FL and have helped a half dozen or so with the process. I'm not a lawyer or anything but I know what I'm talking about.

First, exemptions are only needed for school attendance. A doctor may try to tell you different.

Second, it doesn't matter how many shots you may have gotten in the past, once you get an exemption you can't have any others. if you do, you lose your exemption and can't get a new one. Well technically, you could go get one from the HD but once the school processed it, your child would have to leave school until caught up to the states schedule. there's no allowance for multiple epiphanies regarding vaccine stance.

Third, opting out of the tracking system is pointless. That's because you are then on the opt out list. One way or another you are tracked. Also, there is a list for exemptions. If you should desire to try to beat the system by giving an exemption to the school and then going to get more shots anyway, your safest bet is to go to another states altogether and pay cash.

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Third, opting out of the tracking system is pointless. That's because you are then on the opt out list. One way or another you are tracked. 

 

I don't think it is pointless, because although the child would be on record as being on the opt-out list, someone on the opt-out list could have no vaccines, one vaccine, two vaccines, etc, all the way up to every vaccine. And it wouldn't be known. Because the actual vaccines (if any) would not be tracked.

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Opting out of SHOTS only prohibits the school from having access to an electronic vaccine record.  Any shots you try to sneak in after getting the exemption are uploaded by your doctor, where they will clash with the exemption form which is loaded into a registry after having been received by the school.

 

"Florida is an opt-out state. If you choose to opt out, your child’s record will continue to be in the registry, but it will not be accessible to anyone but the child’s current doctor. (Your child’s school or any new health-care providers your child sees will no longer have access to the information.) You will have to send a written request to opt your child back into the registry."

 

Once again, OP:  You can do as many shots as you want before getting the exemption, but once you get the exemption, you can never get another shot without permanently losing the exemption.  Opting out of the registry only limits access by the school.  Your doctor will still upload the vax info and since the exemption would have been registered by the school, you will be found out, you will lose your exemption, and your child will have to get caught up immediately or risk being kept out of school.


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I don't think it is pointless, because although the child would be on record as being on the opt-out list, someone on the opt-out list could have no vaccines, one vaccine, two vaccines, etc, all the way up to every vaccine. And it wouldn't be known. Because the actual vaccines (if any) would not be tracked.

 

 

 

http://www.flshots.com/_pdfs/OptOutDH-1478.pdf

 

That's a link to the form.  Opting out is pointless, you are still tracked, just by fewer people.


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Just FYI:

 

 

http://www.know-vaccines.org/?page_id=28

 

 

Q: What is Florida SHOTS?

Florida SHOTS (State Health Online Tracking System) is the Department of Health Bureau of Immunization statewide, centralized electronic vaccination registry for storing shot records. 

This automated tracking system is a provision of Florida law 381.003. 

Similar vaccine registries are being implemented in all states, as part of a nationwide effort to track vaccine information. 

Each state has its own separate registry. 

There currently is no national vaccine registry.

Florida SHOTS is used for updating every child’s shot records and for checking to see if a child has all the shots he/she needs. 

All children born in a Florida hospital on or after January 1, 2003 in Florida have a record in the Florida SHOTS vaccine registry. 

Students who have been issued a religious exemption are also recorded in the Florida SHOTS vaccine registry.

You should know that all doctors, nurses, schools, and child care centers that have been approved to use the Florida SHOTS database system have access to your child’s vaccine data. 

This registry is used primarily to improve vaccination rates.


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I already read the form. I posted the link 2 days ago. The following is from the instructions.

 

"DO NOT DO ANYTHING IF YOU WANT YOUR CHILD’S SHOT RECORD TO BE TRACKED IN FLORIDA SHOTS BY YOUR DOCTOR, NURSE, SCHOOL OR CHILD CARE CENTER THAT HAVE APPROVED ACCESS. If you do not want your child’s shot data tracked in Florida SHOTS, follow the steps below."

http://www.flshots.com/_pdfs/OptOutDH-1478.pdf

 

So if someone opts out of the Florida database, the doctor, nurse, school, and child care center cannot access their vaccine record (unless, of course, they are vaccines the doctor has given, in which case it would be in the chart).

 

You are right, people with religious exemptions are still tracked, UNLESS they opt-out.

 

If the person has opted out of the tracking system, the doctor has no way of knowing if a religious exemption has been granted.

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I already read the form. I posted the link 2 days ago. The following is from the instructions.

 

"DO NOT DO ANYTHING IF YOU WANT YOUR CHILD’S SHOT RECORD TO BE TRACKED IN FLORIDA SHOTS BY YOUR DOCTOR, NURSE, SCHOOL OR CHILD CARE CENTER THAT HAVE APPROVED ACCESS. If you do not want your child’s shot data tracked in Florida SHOTS, follow the steps below."

http://www.flshots.com/_pdfs/OptOutDH-1478.pdf

 

So if someone opts out of the Florida database, the doctor, nurse, school, and child care center cannot access their vaccine record (unless, of course, they are vaccines the doctor has given, in which case it would be in the chart).

 

You are right, people with religious exemptions are still tracked, UNLESS they opt-out.

 

If the person has opted out of the tracking system, the doctor has no way of knowing if a religious exemption has been granted.

thanks for the info...a mom i know was inquiring

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