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Don't take this as a judgement. I respect those who don't vaccinate for their stance against it. A question vax are a part of modern medicine right? Then why see a doctor? IMO it would be unnecessary since they will prescribe medications for whatever ailment. Those that refuse vax also refuse antibiotics etc. What is your stance on this?
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Many people who don vax will do antibiotics or other medicines when needed. For instance, my son had really bad croup and he had to have a steroid. Also, he was burned when he was little and had to go to the hospital. I gave him pain medicine while he was healing.

It's a misconception that because one refuses vaccinations they refuse all medical care.

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I go to the doctor for guidance & diagnostics (lab tests, swabs). Also to establish a relationship, mutually benefical, that helps me avoid the ER & Urgent Care (where alternative parents are way more likely to be hassled & where care is not as good b/c they don't have a full medical history). And to be real, to strengthen my legal position as a CO & as a mama.

My LOs have *never* actually needed Antibiotics or any prescription medications, but as an Herbalist, diagnostics are outside my 'scope'. I can treat with safe herbal medicines, once I have a diagnosis. A relationship with a Ped/Family MD helps me know where safe boundaries are regarding illness AND they often will help me after hours, over the phone, just because I bring my LOs in for well visits & we are established as patients.

Even mainstream parents are supposed to be using Fever Reducers & Antibiotics as little as possible, that is established in the medical literature.

Doctors were around WAY before our current Vax schedule. It is a part of what they do today, but it is not even close to 100% of what they can & should do.

I also want my sons to be informed & empowered health care consumers & stewards of their own bodies. I actually think that bringing them to the doctor & having them see me use it as only ONE tool in my toolkit makes them more likely to choose the least amount of intervention necessary in the future.
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I'm not too keen on vaccinations (I'm not anti, just not impressed enough to medicate my healthy kids with them), but I certainly resort to antibiotics when the situation calls for it.  I've even been known to enthusiastically agree to preventative antibiotics when the wound was nasty enough.  There are some things that mainstream medicine does well, there are some things it does less well, I like to take the stuff I find useful and leave the rest.  Fortunately, I'm blessed with an open-minded, respectful doctor.

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Of course, you see a doctor when you're sick. Just because you decide to be an educated consumer doesn't mean you discard all of medicine!

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We see the dr to get his opinion, or if I want my suspicions confirmed.   We may not agree with his opinion and plan of treatment, and luckily we have a dr whom i can openly discuss things with.  Anymore when we do go in, he'll ask, 'So what do you think we should do about this, -or what would you like to do?  instead of, 'here, just take this'   

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I dont shun western medicine. I will do antibiotics if needed, but I take them very seriously, and only give when I feel necessary. I will give my DD medication if she seems to be in a lot of pain. Hell western medicine is excellent at treating trauma. If I get injured or in an accident you bet I am going to the hospital for treatment. If I have a developmental concern or am not sure how to treat something, I will bring her in.

 

I have a chronic illness, and I take medication everyday, along with herbs and supplements. Its the combination which puts me in remission, and keeps me there the longest.

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I love when someone says "Don't take this as a judgment"....and then proceeds to say something totally offensive and judgmental. Why not be honest, and admit the real reason you ventured into the "I'm Not Vaccinating" forum: to stir up trouble. That was your goal, wasn't it?


 
 
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I love when someone says "Don't take this as a judgment"....and then proceeds to say something totally offensive and judgmental. Why not be honest, and admit the real reason you ventured into the "I'm Not Vaccinating" forum: to stir up trouble. That was your goal, wasn't it?

Haha, you and I are on the same brain waves right now. 

 

I agree. Clearly, lulu0910 likes to stir up trouble!!

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Crap, I didn't see the other post by this person. I totally fell or it! FOILED AGAIN. :-P
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The only reason I ever took my babies in was to protect our family from CPS if there was ever an emergency and someone tried to accuse us of "neglect".
 

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Vaxes are only one aspect in their medical training (granted..their weakest link along with nutrition). I am pretty damn sure they surpass me in diagnoses and surgeries. So yes, I would definitely visit them if there is a need.

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Vaxes are only one aspect in their medical training (granted..their weakest link along with nutrition). I am pretty damn sure they surpass me in diagnoses and surgeries. So yes, I would definitely visit them if there is a need.

I agree however, while they might be great at diagnosing a condition, but healing that condition is not one of their strong suits because the only options they have are toxic pharmaceuticals that posion the enzyme systems or cutting out body parts. 

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I agree however, while they might be great at diagnosing a condition, but healing that condition is not one of their strong suits because the only options they have are toxic pharmaceuticals that posion the enzyme systems or cutting out body parts. 

isn't that the truth!!!  the drs solution for my athritis is to operate---i have arthritis ALL over neck to toes, so how are they going to effectively treat me?  their anwer: operate, and remove the offending body part, rather than try to heal it.  Sorry, i'm not having every joint i own operated on, and that is just the silliest thing i ever heard in my life...i finally found a dr who is treating me with different braces and alternative therapies, which will not include operating on me.  The alternative therapies are working better than any pharmie ever did. 

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I just had that conversation with my naturopath about how one blood test will determine what she suspects to be the offending issue and it will be fixed with one simple supplement.  Versus treating each of my ailments individually (anemia, anxiety, fatigue, memory issues, circulatory problems) which would cost not only me, but the insurance company a small fortune in "specialists", testing and treatment. I'll take a naturopath over an MD any day of the week, unless I legitimately do require surgery.  But even then, I'd use my ND for recovery because they listen far better.

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sassyfirechick, have you been tested for Lyme Disease?  I only ask because all of your symptoms are on Burrascano's Symptoms List.

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I haven't been to a doctor and neither have my kids for over 5 years. Its not because we shun western medicine completely - there is def a time and a place for it but we have never needed it. We avoid all pharma products including tylenol and have never needed them. 

However, when my son had a seizure due to a concussion we used all the specialists and took all the precautions needed. 

My dog is also unvaccinated at 10.5 yrs old. The only shot he gets is Rabies and thats because we travel over the border with him regularly and need to....he also doesn't see a vet;)

 

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sassyfirechick, have you been tested for Lyme Disease?  I only ask because all of your symptoms are on Burrascano's Symptoms List.

I have in the past and always tested negative, although I know how iffy of a test it is, but unfortunately my symptoms fall on many lists :p

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Dr. Robert Mendelsohn MD used to say that the only time to go to a medical doctor is when you are carried to one. The very best of modern medicine is found in the treatment of shock, trauma, and broken bones. 

 

However, I agree with aggie pop.  Having my very fine and respected pediatrician back in the day helped me immeasurably when I needed help. 

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Don't take this as a judgement. I respect those who don't vaccinate for their stance against it. A question vax are a part of modern medicine right? Then why see a doctor? IMO it would be unnecessary since they will prescribe medications for whatever ailment. Those that refuse vax also refuse antibiotics etc. What is your stance on this?

 

We don't vaccinate our 3 children, but we still like to do the well child visits because I want my kids to feel comfortable with and know their doctor, and I want our doctor to know us really well. It is not a big deal. Once a year (more for babies) we go and they get weighed, measured, ears and eyes checked out and sometimes iron levels checked. The doctor gets a good idea of how well we are taking care of the kids and we all head on our way feeling good. I usually find that our doctor answers a question that I have had or teaches me something I didn't know about health. Yes, they are mainstream, so we take the advice that works for us and leave the rest. 

 

If we EVER had to do antibiotics for something, or see a doctor for something more serious and unexpected, we already know and feel comfortable with our family doctor. 

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I have a nine month old who is not vaccinated and we don't go to well baby visits. We did in the beginning because we honestly thought they were required. Then we found out otherwise and stopped going. I would rather not take my 'well baby' into the doctors office to pick up whatever germs the sick patients are there seeking treatment against. We did go last week because my boy has had a rash that we have been fighting and it wouldn't go away. We were at the end of our home remedies and I felt that we needed to know what we were up against. 

 

Freaking yeast rash. Our ped was surprised this was his first rash ever, and confirmed that it was probably because we weren't waking him up to change him in the middle of the night since he was sleeping longer stretches. Everyone always told us - don't wake a sleeping baby! Well, he's a heavy wetter and he got a rash. We felt horrible and the doc was gracious and said all the remedies we tried were on point and to continue doing them along with the steroid cream. No big deal. 

 

There is a vast difference between preventative care and medical treatment. It is up to each person to decide how invasive they want to be with preventative care and when they feel they need to seek medical treatment. It'll be different for everyone. 

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My son went to the ER the year before last because he needed stitches. I'm not anti doctor when needed but I feel like they are overused. 

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applejuice, I love the quote you posted.  It pretty much sums up my feelings on the topic!

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Not everyone who refuses vaccines also refuses everything else. I know that antibiotics can be a lifesaving medication, but should be used sparingly and when clearly needed. I don't believe vaccines fall into that category. IMO, vaccines are neither safe OR effective, but regardless, they are prophylactic medications. I don't believe in giving my children or myself vaccines to prevent an illness that we may or may not contract, just like I don't believe in medicating for a headache I don't have yet, or a mastectomy for breast cancer that I may or may not develop. It's silly to me. 

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We see a doctor because I don't want my children to be afraid of the medical community. I want them to have respect for medical personnel, but know how to think for themselves and make their own decisions regarding their health, when they are able. 

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Don't take this as a judgement. I respect those who don't vaccinate for their stance against it. A question vax are a part of modern medicine right? Then why see a doctor? IMO it would be unnecessary since they will prescribe medications for whatever ailment. Those that refuse vax also refuse antibiotics etc. What is your stance on this?

 

I'd like to address the bolded.

 

First of all, I'd like to know where you got that idea?  Because the perceived need for vaccines has absolutely nothing to do with the perceived need for antibiotics, though both are complicated issues.

 

Historically, vaccines started out as an attempt to protect the general population--not the frail or at risk, as is sometimes thought--from truly severe diseases, that were thought to have the potential to cripple or even kill a significant proportion of the population, like smallpox and polio.

 

The people who refuse vaccines today tend to be well-educated and intelligent.  They have usually done a fair amount of research--not reading discussion boards, forums, and blogs, but actual research, reading medical journals, studies, case reports, and historical documents such as charts following disease progressions, as well as financial information surrounding the for-profit companies who push the vaccines.  They refuse vaccines because they see a risk that they are not willing to take, or because they see serious problems with the research that was funded by the companies selling the product, or because they see evidence of harm, or because they see evidence of cover-ups of the evidence of harm.  They may also have a child who has had a severe reaction to a vaccine, or they may know families with such a child--which contradicts what most of us have been told, that serious adverse effects of vaccination are vanishingly rare (they are not vanishingly rare, as more and more of us are learning).

 

Refusing an invasive medical procedure--an injection of antigens, adjuvant, preservative, antibiotic, and other ingredients--on a healthy individual has nothing to do with considering a medical treatment for an illness.

 

Antibiotics have certainly been oversold and overused in Western medicine.  This does not mean that they don't have a role in curing an illness.


Historically, antibiotics were seen as a "wonder drug" that could heal severe infections.   Gradually, over several decades, as they became less expensive and more well-known, physicians started using them less cautiously--for persistent coughs, or for infant ear infections, but without testing for a bacterial infection.  The result was that some bacteria mutated to become antibiotic-resistant, while some patients became hypersensitive or even allergic to the antibiotics.  Other factors may include heavy antibiotic use in animals used for meat, as well as other environmental chemical exposures.  It's even possible that the antibiotics (usually neomycin) used in vaccine preparation may be partially responsible for problems regarding bacterial infections.

 

In the 1960's, very few babies had ear infections.

 

By the late 1990's, ear infections in the first year of life--and being given antibiotics for those ear infections--was considered not just common, but NORMAL.  Surgically implanted drain tubes became common.

A decade later, pediatricians began to realize that antibiotic over-prescription was responsible for a lot of health problems, and many have stopped prescribing them without tests showing a clear need for an antibiotic.  But some pediatricians still believe that they are being cautious by prescribing antibiotics to "catch" a possible bacterial infection.


People who turn down antibiotics in this kind of situation are not doing so because of ANYTHING to do with vaccines.  They are doing so because there is no proof of necessity for an antibiotic.

 

So now that we've got that straight, let's stop repeating "those that refuse vax also refuse antibiotics, etc."  It's simply (and obviously) not true.  Those who persist in repeating it will either really look like they are totally ignorant--or they will look like they are intentionally slandering a group of thoughtful and well-educated people.

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To answer the OP, I DO think it's important to go to the well-baby visits, and to consult the pediatrician whenever there is a question.

 

There are some problems that are almost always missed by the parent, that could potentially be extremely dangerous.  

The most obvious example I can think of is congenital cardiac defects, but there are others, I'm sure--please post them if you think of any.

 

Congenital cardiac defects are NOT something a parent would notice--and early detection is key.  A pediatrician will notice a slight heart murmur, and usually recommend a visit to a pediatric cardiologist.  THIS CAN BE LIFE-SAVING.  Some issues like a small ventricular defect, might resolve themselves--but quite a few do NOT.  And it's important to keep an eye on things.  

 

It is also not that rare.

 

These days, I turn down vaccines (with our pediatrician's blessing), but I don't miss a single well-child visit, and I discuss many issues with the pediatrician at these visits.  Usually, both the pediatrician and I leave having learned something new.

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I think Taximom5 brought up some good points.  My pediatrician suspected hip dysplasia in my son, because of a hip click. I never noticed this at home.  He also checks his heart, and cardiology is not my profession, so I'll take his advice there, too.

 

I also wanted to clarify that those who do not vaccinate are not necessarily opposed to antibiotics.  That is a rather broad generalization.  It depends on the reason for the antibiotics, and the severity of the situation.  

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:yeah Ped visits and well checks are for so much more than vaccines. I enjoy going and building a relationship with our ped. Hell, it took me 6 years to find him! 

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I wouldn't take my perfectly running car to a mechanic and get an engine overhaul just because he told me to. I'd do my research first, and get a 2nd opinion, etc. Similarly, I wouldn't take my healthy children into a doctor's office and let him jack them up with whatever toxic concoctions they want to inject into their bloodstreams just because they told me to. Does that mean I would never go to a mechanic or a doctor? No. Just because I don't believe everything they tell me doesn't mean I don't find them useful in certain situations. Regarding antibiotics, I would certainly use them if needed. Doesn't mean I have to believe in vaccines. When it comes to prevention and optimum health,  I will not find it in a doctor's office.

We rarely go to the doctors. My kids have not been in a doctor's office since they were babies. Perhaps we will go as a family one day soon just to say hi. He's my DH's old family doctor and quite a lovely man :)

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