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I hope this is the right place to post....

 

My DS will be three in Jan. He is still nursing, eats fairly well, is at home with me and since I am a home body we do not go out a whole lot. I thought we would start vaxing at 2 but somehow he is almost three! I kind of thought we would always start with one shot of ActHib. I am working on tracking some down, right now our health unit only has Hiberix. But if I decide to move forward I will keep up with the phone calls to try and find ActHib.

 

The usual arguments don't do a whole lot to make me feel better. Examples. We didn't have it and we are fine. You are breastfeeding and that shows a lot of protection. He is not in group care so risk is low. I understand the risk is low. For some reason this has always been the vax that has weighed heavily on my shoulders. And after 2+ years of research I still feel sick to my stomach to not do it and sick if I don't.

 

The things I know. Risk drops after 2, peaks at 6/7 months. But there have been deaths in 3 and over, obviously I don't know about breastfeeding status but I know that the children in Minnesota were not in group care. Breastfeeding offers a protective effect, I have read the studies and they are very convincing.

 

Why am I still unsure?

 

1. If pre-vaccine children were mostly colonized with Hib by age 5 and now Hib is virtually non-existent, than how is my child going to be colonized by age 5? I was looking at a study (and now of course I cannot find it) but it was saying that Hib is now being found in children aged 10-14?? Anyone have any thoughts on any of this?

 

2. The link to type 1 diabetes. It seems like a causal link and the study I read was not overly convincing. I would really like more info on this as diabetes type 2 is in our family. On my Mom and Dad’s side.

 

3. The ingredients I read included ammonium sulfate, anyone know more about this. I could not find much except that it is used as a commercial fertilizer.

 

4. I have read quite a bit on here about serotype replacement. And I do have a few questions regarding that. I guess I am thinking that if I give him ActHib than he will be covered against strain B. Of course that is the only one. I guess where I am confused is are we actually saying that if he was covered for B that the chance of the other strains actually increases? I guess the way I was looking at it was that at least he would be covered for B. If the other strains do not increase in likelihood than at least he is covered for that one? KWIM??

 

5. The issue with giving Hib and then increasing pneumococcal bacteria? Is this a concern??

 

6. I have to say I am also having a difficult time understanding the testing they did. Plus on the inserts it continually seems to state that the vaccine is meant for children up to 18 months of age, although the catch up schedule indicates that un-vaccinated children 5 and under need to have a minimum of one dose???

 

I hope someone can help me. I am driving myself crazy. Having a hard time sleeping. We have a new baby coming in April and I am feeling like I need to make a choice about all of this before than. The first year with my son have a lot of added stress because of vaccine research. Thank you in advance for your replies. I so appreciate these forums.

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Hi! I am going to just post a bunch of links and see where it takes you.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17516405

In this study over a six year period (2000-2006) researchers came to the conclusion that:

In addition to the proportional increase in cases of nontype b Haemophilus influenzae disease in the post H. influenzae type b vaccine era, the incidence of invasive H. influenzae disease was found to be approaching the rates of H. influenzae type b disease that were documented in the prevaccine period. Fifty-six percent of invasive disease now occurs in individuals aged >10 years.

 

Here, I found a place that has all kinds of links that I do. Hope this might help:

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/vaccine-efficacy-how-often-do-vaccines-work/hib/

 

The website links you directly to the studies. That is helpful.

 

Also there is this: http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/01/31/sisyphus-and-the-conjugate-vaccines/#more-16

That link will take you to two more pages. It is also a good read.

Just for your reading: The types of Meningitis:

 

  • Amoebic meningitis: caused by amoeba in thermal hot pools.
  • Aseptic meningitis: causes include connective tissue diseases, systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), Behcet’s disease, drugs, toxins, antibiotics, non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, and other types of medications.
  • Bacterial meningitis: caused by a bacterial infection. 
  • Cryptococcal meningitis: primarily in immunosuppressed people e.g. HIV, caused by infection from Blastomyces dermatitidis, and another yeast called Cryptococcus found in soil and bird droppings. To most people it is not normally a problem.
  • Meningococcal meningitis: caused by several different types of bacteria called Neisseria meningitides.  Commonly called meningococcal disease. Types: A,B, C,W, Y. It is carried by around 20% of people most of the time, with types varying. Most people exposed to the bacteria never get ill.
  • Neoplastic meningitis: is caused by the spread of solid tumours to the brain or spinal cord.
  • Parasitic meningitis: Toxoplasmosis
  • Streptococcus Pneumonaie: A bacterial form of meningitis, which has become much more common after the use of the Hib vaccine.
  • Syphilitic meningitis: (sometimes called aseptic) caused by infection with the bacterium that causes syphilis.
  • Tuberculous meningitis: caused by tuberculosis infection, and left untreated may cause brain damage.
  • Viral meningitis: primarily caused by echo or enteroviruses, and is most common in children. It can sometimes be a complication of childhood diseases such as chickenpox, mumps, herpes simplex etc .

 

It is a complex thing to look at and I feel ya there. On your #6 question, You are correct. The testing was done on younger children and never alone. There was never a placebo. It was a group of kids normally given one type of Hib... and the "control" group given DTP or a combo shot of one of the other vaxes they had. If they all had about the same reactions in both groups.... it was deemed safe. This is how all vaxes are tested.

 

I have a few more ideas I can pull up, but its late and I wanted to at least get the ball rolling as far as answers and talking about it.

 

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ssun5 - Thank you for your reply, I have been so busy. But so appreciate your reply and have started going through the info you posted. If you have anymore I would greatly appreciate it!!

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This is another link from someone else asking similar questions, check out all the links.

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/574250/staph-and-prevnar

 

It is a few years old but relevant. In fact, I would go to the search engine under Vaccinations and do a search for everything you can find on HIB.

There is a wealth of info on old threads.

 

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