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I cannot stand when people who are not genuine members of this community post their propaganda as if we really want to be spammed by them. Has nothing to do with the content and whether or not I agree with it, I just really prefer if the posts I read on threads that I follow are written by people who regularly (or sometimes, or ever!) contribute to this online community. Not from people who have a post count of one.

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Btw, how are you supposed to get to a post count of 100 without first having a post count of 1, and then 2, and 3, and then 4... ?

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I am a non vaxing mom!! I was looking for reassurance from other non vaxing moms!! If the mods had a problem then I guess they would have moved it .

:-) I knew you were non vaxing

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Sorry I was a bit harsh, was having a rough day.
I welcome everyone to jump in.

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Sorry I was a bit harsh, was having a rough day.
I welcome everyone to jump in.
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Thank you! I appreciate that, serafina33!

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Post #17 by ssun5.  If I'm reading the first article link you posted correctly, it was "for" vaccinating and employing more boosters.  Where is the article where Australia decided against because it wasn't helping?  Thank you

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Post #17 by ssun5.  If I'm reading the first article link you posted correctly, it was "for" vaccinating and employing more boosters.  Where is the article where Australia decided against because it wasn't helping?  Thank you
I have read that about Australia stopping cocooning . If you go in the internet and search Australia and cocooning a ton of articles come up. I also read a study about some gorillas being give dtap vaccine and then whooping cough being introduced to them. They still spread it to other gorillas who were not vaccinated even though they showed no symptoms of having whooping cough. So anyhow that was interesting to me. The study suggests that they still were carriers of the disease. Did anyone else read this one?

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I have read that about Australia stopping cocooning . If you go in the internet and search Australia and cocooning a ton of articles come up. I also read a study about some gorillas being give dtap vaccine and then whooping cough being introduced to them. They still spread it to other gorillas who were not vaccinated even though they showed no symptoms of having whooping cough. So anyhow that was interesting to me. The study suggests that they still were carriers of the disease. Did anyone else read this one?

It was a study in baboons, and it has been discussed on this board. The fully study isn't open access unfortunately. Mercola has probably the most comprehensive write-up on it.

 

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/10/whooping-cough-pertussis-vaccine.aspx


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Dinner tonight: "dirty" rice, sweet potatoes, and salad.

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Dinner tonight: "dirty" rice, sweet potatoes, and salad.


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I had apple crisp for supper.  Yeah, yeah, lol

 

I am now eating rice crisps with spicy hummus.  Yum!

 

5 apples, peeled and sliced

3/4 cup oats

3/4 cup flour

1/3 cup brown sugar

1/2 cup butter

1 tsp cinnamon

 

Put the apples in an 8x8, mix the other ingredients (the butter should be "cut" in) and put on top.   Bake until apples are soft.  


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We had chicken pot pie!  

Costco rotisserie chicken, shredded  (use the carcass, a bunch of carrots, and a chopped onion to make chicken stock)

frozen mixed veggies

chopped onion

milk 

chicken stock

corn starch (3 tablespoons, dissolved in stock)

wine

tarragon

thyme

parsley

dill

garlic worcestershire

sauce

 

Mix and heat to boiling.  Place in 9 x 13 pan, cover with gf Bisquick mixed with milk, egg, parsley, garlic powder, and shredded cheddar cheese.

Bake for 30 minutes at 350

 

Yum yum yum

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I have found that having some resources on how to treat illnesses, like books and access to naturopathic doctors, has helped me feel more confident. That said, i sometimes feel less confident than other times. It was easy for me for the first child because she wasn't exposed to older siblings. I will be more concerned should we have a 2nd child. I also do a lot to support good health: excellent diet, lots of fresh air, good hygeine, avoidance of chemicals, extended breastfeeding, pretty secluded for first 3 months, probiotics, elderberry, fish oil w/vit d, etc. I would say, don't do anything when you are in the middle of a panic. Give yourself some time to revist the research, reasses the risks/and benefits, and learn how to support good health. Then, make a decision when you are less stressed. You can't "un-do" a vaccine and you dont want to rush into something you will regret.

Personally, I was pretty nervous about pertussis until 6 months. I relaxed a bit between 6-12, then much more at 12 months.

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I think done of you are posting go recipes in the wrong thread lol

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Is pertussis a big concern at that age?

I eventually (and pretty reluctantly) got the dtap vaccine (polio, tetanus, diphtheria and pertusis). Really I got it for the tetanus and that was the package with the least vaccines. Tetanus lives in the soil here and I know someone here who had it and I think someone else I met had it too. Ds and I were at the park one day, shortly after he became very mobile, and he was getting into everything and I kept thinking about this photo i saw of a small child with tetanus and I just had to do it. It wasn't easy for me (he was totally fine, didnt cry, no effects after) and I sometimes wonder if I made the right decision but most of the time I'm very comfortable with him having this one vaccine. Overall I still think its the best decision for us. But everyone is different, and there are certainly risks. Good luck, it's so hard.
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No it probably isn't a huge concern at his age but I do worry about future babies ( silly huh?) because of my oldest bringing stuff home from school! Haha it sounds kind if ridiculous when I type it but that's why I do it bc it helps be process bc I can be a very irrational person. I have worried about tetanus too and hib.

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No it probably isn't a huge concern at his age but I do worry about future babies ( silly huh?) because of my oldest bringing stuff home from school! Haha it sounds kind if ridiculous when I type it but that's why I do it bc it helps be process bc I can be a very irrational person. I have worried about tetanus too and hib.

 

Do you know the stats on pertussis where you live?  I know that many cases go under-reported but they can still be a guideline of sorts.  Pertussis has a season as well.  
 
I think there are other ways to avoid pertussis.
 
I. breastfeed if at all possible
2. do not a bring a newborn into crowded places.  Pertussis is spread by droplets, so minimising the number of people the newborn comes in contact with makes sense.  
3.  Most pertussis cases happen in the late summer or fall.  If I were considering procreating, I might keep this in mind.  
4.  be hyper vigilant about keeping baby away from anyone with a cold until you know the cold is just a cold  (pertussis can resemble a cold in the very early days)
 
I thought these lines form NVIC were interesting:

"In 2010, out of a U.S. population of 308 million people, there were about 27,500 reported cases of pertussis including 27 deaths, with 25 deaths occurring in infants under age one year. However, many cases of whooping cough are never diagnosed or reported. Every four to five years, there are reported increases in whooping cough disease in the U.S. and other countries, no matter how high the vaccination rate…...

 

In 1977, Britain had more than 99,000 reported pertussis cases with 23 deaths and no cases of encephalitis, which resulted in a case fatality ratio of approximately 1 in 4,300 cases. A 1985 British report placed the risk of death for infants under 1 year from pertussis at 1 in 69,000."

 

 

 

 


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Most pertussis cases happen in the late summer or fall. If I were considerring procreating, I might keep this in mind.

DD was a late fall/early winter baby - partially because where I was working at the time didn't have a formal maternity leave, just short term disability (6wks) and the option to take an addition 6wks unpaid - um, how about no and no!  BUT they did have a furlough program in the winter during the slow season and by timing the baby thing just right I was able to take the short term and combine it with furlough (so I could at least collect unemployment) and got a total of 16wks - in the dead of winter.  I had no desire to leave the house anyhow and not many people wanted to venture out in blizzards to visit LO so it was really easy to cocoon and avoid things circulating around until she was older and less vulnerable.  I feel like winter babies are much easier to keep away from people, vs in the summer there's more expectation to be out and about.

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