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Anyone else read this? Thoughts?

 

http://tacanowblog.com/2014/01/27/so-autism-is-even-more-common-than-last-year-who-cares/

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WOW.  Go, Dr. Bob!!!!

 

And omg, the COMMENTS!  Scroll down and read the comments.  There's a priceless one from a pediatrician named Chris Hickie, which is extremely illuminating.

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I saw that. Way to prove his point right?

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WOW.  Go, Dr. Bob!!!!

 

And omg, the COMMENTS!  Scroll down and read the comments.  There's a priceless one from a pediatrician named Chris Hickie, which is extremely illuminating.

Chris Hickie is one of Dorit Reiss's crowd. He likes to make a fool of himself on AoA as well sometimes.

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Oh, I just can't resist.

 

Here is the first part of Dr. Hickie's comment:

"As a pediatrician and scientist I find you a loathsome “colleague”, “Dr. Bob:. How dare you minimize the risk of vaccine-preventable diseases all for the sake of your “autism crusade”! You’re just dumb enough to believe any old “statistic” thrown your way, and you’ve built enough of an audience of people who think you somehow have a science background that you have become a threat to public health. You act like you’re the only pediatrician that gives a damn about autism, which is untrue. You also act like autism is the only reason children have developmental delays, which is also blatantly untrue...."

 

So, Dr. Sears is a practicing, Board-certified pediatrician; he is also a published, well-selling author, whose pediatric practice is so popular, there's a waiting list.  But Dr. Hickie thinks he does not "somehow have a science background?"  And Dr. Hickie believes that showing concern over the ridiculously high rates of autism in Minnesota makes Dr. Sears "a threat to public health?"  

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But wait, there's more....

 

"I know people who have been hospitalized from influenza this year, including one of my own patients (who didn’t get a flu shot because mom had been scared about its safety)–yet I don’t have anyone with autism having been hospitalized for anything autism-related in the last several years. Right now in my practice area we’ve had 30 pertussis cases in the schools thanks to cluster of non-vaccinating parents, some of whom have bought the lies you sell in your so-called “vaccine book”. Of course I’ll bet money that those who run TACA don’t have the guts to put this on here..."

 

Except--the TACA editor did publish it!  And several people wrote excellent, calm, and wise rebuttals.

 

So Dr. Hickie wasn't able to convince the mother of one of his own patients to get a flu shot?  Wait a minute, I thought his practice kicked out families who turned down any vaccines?


And I wonder if Dr. Sears now has a viable case for a lawsuit against Dr. Hickie for calling The Vaccine Book "lies?"
 

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Notice he does not refute anything Dr Sears writes, all he does is hurl insults. Chris Hickey's not nothing!

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Notice he does not refute anything Dr Sears writes, all he does is hurl insults. Chris Hickey's not nothing!

 

I have to wonder about the emotional stability of someone who hurls insults with such....rage.  No real discussion, just a fury that seems to possess him.  I sure wouldn't want him as a pediatrician.

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I have to wonder about the emotional stability of someone who hurls insults with such....rage.  No real discussion, just a fury that seems to possess him.  I sure wouldn't want him as a pediatrician.

 

He is everywhere, even phoning in to a local Denver PBS station during a vaccine debate show that had Sundari Kraft, the parent rep from V4V,Theresa Wrangham from the NVIC and a CO public health person. Interestingly there was on one caller from CO in the whole show. I suspect V4V had plants call in, because the were all pro-vaccine.

 

I wish I could find the link, but there is a review webpage that has some scathing reviews of 'Dr' Hickey the pediatrician. 

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yet I don’t have anyone with autism having been hospitalized for anything autism-related in the last several years.

 

Evan McCarthy was in and out of the hospital on numerous occasions with some major medical issues before his diagnoses.

 

My husband knows a guy from high school whose son is autistic and we have been told that he was in the er on numerous occasions.

 

I have read several biographies from parents of children with an autism diagnoses and it seems to be a common theme. These children are sick. Maybe that is not the case for all of them but that doesn't discount the experience of those for whom it is and I find it repulsive that he would dismiss those reports.

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I saw this comment underneath.   What do you think?

 

"Thank you, Dr. Bob for writing this blog to help us scream for action. Sadly, I don’t think anyone cares. It is starting to feel more and more intentional."

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Evan McCarthy was in and out of the hospital on numerous occasions with some major medical issues before his diagnoses.

 

My husband knows a guy from high school whose son is autistic and we have been told that he was in the er on numerous occasions.

 

I have read several biographies from parents of children with an autism diagnoses and it seems to be a common theme. These children are sick. Maybe that is not the case for all of them but that doesn't discount the experience of those for whom it is and I find it repulsive that he would dismiss those reports.

 

I know some autistic kids that have been hospitalized, and many that have not been hospitalized--but who still had medical issues.   Apparently, he thinks that medical issues that aren't immediately life-threatening, requiring hospitalization, simply don't exist.

 

FTR, I also know some autistic kids who have never been hospitalized.  A couple of them, as far as I know, do not have the severe intestinal issues; or, if they do, their parents don't realize that anything is wrong.   Remember, until very, very recently, the standard medical wisdom was that autistic children act that way (as if they are in severe intestinal pain, or severe head pain) "because they're autistic," not because anything was actually wrong.  It's only in the last few years that doctors have figured out that, yes, there really was something medically wrong the whole time, and that those medical issues have a huge impact on autistic symptoms.

Apparently, Dr. Hickie belongs to the group that believes that autistic children with, say, Celiac or Crohn's disease, don't deserve to be sent for testing, because "autistic children just act that way."
I just shudder to think how many kids he might have damaged...

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I saw this comment underneath.   What do you think?

 

"Thank you, Dr. Bob for writing this blog to help us scream for action. Sadly, I don’t think anyone cares. It is starting to feel more and more intentional."


I used to think that that sort of thinking was really off-the-wall crazy/paranoid.

I'm no longer so sure.  :(

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"Thank you, Dr. Bob for writing this blog to help us scream for action. Sadly, I don’t think anyone cares. It is starting to feel more and more intentional."

 

Scary thought isn't it. If you want to get really tin-hatty check out Dr Rima Laibow's DeltaProject.

 

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This is very disturbing on several levels.

I guess what's most disturbing is that there's just a shred of plausibility in what she suggests.

 

But I think there's something almost as disturbing in her...manipulation of the audience.  Like when she says, "Dupe...sounds like 'stupid,' doesn't it?  But YOU'RE not stupid...YOU'RE not a dupe."  and then she tells you what she wants you to do.


Very creepy.

 

There are also some major flaws in the "England hypothesis."  For one thing, who is she kidding?  Those who are most affected by vaccines aren't exactly able to be part of the work force.  Even those with Asperger's, while they might like "simple, repetitive tasks," they pretty much like them on their own terms--like video games.  Or maps.  I don't see them as being particularly good service material.

Second of all, vaccines are causing so many health problems, everybody is going to be too sick to work for the ruling class!

 

Also, while I sympathize with Christina England's situation as a mother of children with vaccine reactions/autism, I am not a fan of her writing.  Her articles on Vactruth are poorly written, sensationalist (which wouldn't be so bad, if they were better written), and she has no idea how to write a properly researched article.  I followed some of her citations in an article that interested me--and found that most of her citations were...herself.  She cited herself, in other articles she had written, as her source.

I wrote to her at Vactruth and suggested that it really isn't helping the vaccine critics to write articles where you are citing only yourself.  I also pointed out several minor but fixable errors, and suggested that maybe they could find someone to at least proofread.  That kind of writing would earn a failing grade at the middle school level, let alone the high school or college. In the real world, with the stakes as high as they are, it's totally unacceptable.


Yes, I admit I am judging harshly. Very harshly.  But for heaven's sake, if we're up against Big Pharma, who can afford brilliant copywriters and advertising geniuses, we can't afford shoddy research/articles on our end, can we?

Anyway, I was accused of being a pharmashill, because I was not supportive.  

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Interesting.

Why not? 

Has anyone read Return To Serfdom by F.A.Hayek?

He does not talk about vaccines, but he talks about economics.

John Taylor Gatto and some homeschoolers have a similar idea about the public school system and its beginnings training children to be molded to work in a factory.

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Aldous Huxley (Brave New Word) was a member of the Fabian Society, an organization which supported eugenics. He was also Eric Arthur Blair's (George Orwell - NIneteen Eighty-four)  French tutor at Eaton. 

 

applejuice, I have read John Taylor Gatto's book. I haven't read Return to Serfdom.

 

Edited because I typed the wrong organization Huxley was a member of.

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That is exactly what I was going to say.
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John Taylor Gatto and some homeschoolers have a similar idea about the public school system and its beginnings training children to be molded to work in a factory.

 

Look at this, Ohio 3rd grade government homework: 'Good Citizen's Don't Argue'

 

http://www.blacklistednews.com/3rd_Grade_Government_Homework%3A_'Good_Citizens_Do_Not_Argue'/32405/0/38/38/Y/M.html

 


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Look at this, Ohio 3rd grade government homework: 'Good Citizen's Don't Argue'

 

http://www.blacklistednews.com/3rd_Grade_Government_Homework%3A_'Good_Citizens_Do_Not_Argue'/32405/0/38/38/Y/M.html

 


It took me a while to find the "Does not argue" because I was so distracted by the spelling errors.

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Yes, all good citizens never liter.

 

And always remember that you need two capital B.'s when outlining.

 

Honestly, I have seen some notices from schools, you know, those tax supported institutions of learning, wherein there are regularly several spelling mistakes, punctuation errors and grammar problems. Who is writing these notices?  Who is proofreading them? These people are teaching YOUR children. Make them accountable.


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I live near where Dr. Hickie has his practice and our grade school is one of the schools he is talking about. I really think he is delusional, he knew that the kids with exemption were taken out of school at the beginning of November. Pertussis kept spreading, so much so that the health department extended the exclusion of exempt kids two more times. For two months the entire school population was completely up to date on their vaccines and it still kept spreading. The exempt kids didn't go back until the second week of January, but somehow it is magically still the unvaccinated kids fault.

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Good citizens: Voting puts good people into office. :rotflmao

What happens if there are no good people running to vote for?

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I live near where Dr. Hickie has his practice and our grade school is one of the schools he is talking about. I really think he is delusional, he knew that the kids with exemption were taken out of school at the beginning of November. Pertussis kept spreading, so much so that the health department extended the exclusion of exempt kids two more times. For two months the entire school population was completely up to date on their vaccines and it still kept spreading. The exempt kids didn't go back until the second week of January, but somehow it is magically still the unvaccinated kids fault.

He is most definitely delusional. :flipped

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They left out: Good citizens vaccinate. (if you don't comply we will change the law to make it impossible for you to send your children to school.)


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They left out: Good citizens vaccinate. (if you don't we will change the law to make it impossible for you to send your children to school.)


Yes, that was the implication from not arguing.  Just comply, no discussion. We know what is best for you. We have spent years in school learning about your immune system and drugs and vaccines. You know nothing, you peasant, so be quiet and roll up your sleeve.

 

"Just shut up, forget the conspiracies, listen to our govt agencies, ... and get your damn vaccine!", Dr. Nancy Snyderman, Aug 25, 2009  -

 

Not a good repro, but short and sweet ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Si--hmWK2A

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Good citizens don't use the metric system? And why is that listed under things good citizens do???

 

 

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I have no personal experience on that one, but I am wondering what it would look like if there had never been an autism/vaxx connection. If the sacred cow of medicine had never been brought up as a possibility for the increase, would we treat these families differently? Would they be more important to us? Or would we continue to scream "better diagnosing"?

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Yes, that was the implication from not arguing.  Just comply, no discussion. We know what is best for you. We have spent years in school learning about your immune system and drugs and vaccines. You know nothing, you peasant, so be quiet and roll up your sleeve.

 

"Just shut up, forget the conspiracies, listen to our govt agencies, ... and get your damn vaccine!", Dr. Nancy Snyderman, Aug 25, 2009  -

 

Not a good repro, but short and sweet ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Si--hmWK2A

 

That's right, just shut up and do as you are told.

 

As an aside, the UK is thinking about bringing in 9 hour school days under the guise of 'better education' and allowing mothers to return to the workforce. 

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John Taylor Gatto and some homeschoolers have a similar idea about the public school system and its beginnings training children to be molded to work in a factory.

 

And here's another dot to connect:

 

Children should be taught skills to make them employable from primary school age, suggests Chambers of Commerce

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/children-should-be-taught-skills-to-make-them-employable-from-primary-school-age-suggests-chambers-of-commerce-9094044.html

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Yes, Mirzam.

 

The Child Labor Amendment was introduced and began to be circulated among the states in 1924. It has no end date and has not passed. Why aren't children still in the workplace. What happened was that high school began to be more socially acceptable. Most states set laws in place to protect children in the workplace - CA's schooling laws address circumstances of child actors.  In my family, only my Father finished high school by day in 1932; he was the baby.  His older brothers and sister finished by going to class during the night and going to work during the day.

 

However, before that time, if anyone finished eight years of school, they could leave, get an apprenticeship or work on the farm. They had enough skills to start a small business or be a worthy assistant. If a person left early, there was social pressure to get some kind of work and stick with it.

How do I know?  I have old copies of the McGuffy Readers. They are designed to be finished in 6-8 yrs. The last book would be considered college level now. I can imagine the arithmetic skills would be just as lofty.

 

I know that many people did not master their skills in eight years and there are late bloomers, but there was an incentive to learn and learn well.

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