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inconditus's Avatar inconditus 01:25 PM 02-18-2014

I coudn't think of how to title this thread. These are screen shots from an anime I am watching. I wanted to share. 

 

 

If only the USA was so chill. 



beckybird's Avatar beckybird 03:59 PM 02-18-2014

Cool! What anime is that?


Taximom5's Avatar Taximom5 09:35 PM 02-18-2014

That IS very cool!   

My understanding of rubella, though, is that it is generally a very mild virus, and that it's only dangerous to a developing fetus.


applejuice's Avatar applejuice 09:49 PM 02-18-2014

Yes, I had rubella; it is mild.

 

When I got my marriage license in the mid 1970s, I had to take the Wasserman test to prove I did not have syphllis and I had to prove I had rubella titres. Of course I had titres because I had recovered from rubella. I do not know if that is still done. Many women of childbearing age today do not have rubella titres because vaccination is NOT dependable.

 

http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/skin/german_measles.html


serenbat's Avatar serenbat 06:05 AM 02-19-2014
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Yes, I had rubella; it is mild.

 

When I got my marriage license in the mid 1970s, I had to take the Wasserman test to prove I did not have syphllis and I had to prove I had rubella titres. Of course I had titres because I had recovered from rubella. I do not know if that is still done. Many women of childbearing age today do not have rubella titres because vaccination is NOT dependable.

 

http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/skin/german_measles.html

 I assume most are clueless in what you are even talking about! This is ancient history to most!!!


emmy526's Avatar emmy526 06:25 AM 02-19-2014

I had rubella at 4mos old in '64...i often wonder if that is the source of my juvie arthritis, and now osteoarthritis is crippling me at a young age (50) to the point i've applied for disability.  With all four of my kids, every time the prenatals were done, every nurse had the same comment: "Gee, your rubella titers are at 98%, that's great!'   And that was 30yrs after having rubella  as an infant.    But to get a dr to listen to me seriously about it is a joke. My concerns were pooh poohed.  'Oh , that's not possibly the cause'  'Well, lots of people your age have arthritis'..um, NO they don't..i know of NO ONE my age who is crippled like i am from it..RA tests were neg, too.   And then there was the total dismissal of concerns  'No, i don't think it has anything to do with it'.. didn't even bother entertaining the idea that maybe rubella could have something to do with it.  I think it does.  


Mirzam's Avatar Mirzam 06:34 AM 02-19-2014

I had it around my fifth birthday, I got a new bike for that birthday and remember riding it around the neighborhood with German measles (as we called it)! I remember thinking this was great because here I was sick, but felt fine and didn't have to go to school.


minerva23's Avatar minerva23 07:48 AM 02-19-2014

A friend of mine hat titres drawn for rubella while pregnant (standard procedure here) and it showed no antibodies. So after the pregnancy she got the MMR shot. 1 1/2 years later she was pregnant again and guess what they found when she had titres drawn - no antibodies! Go figure. So she had the MMR shot again after the pregnancy and when she got pregnant with her 3 child 2 years later - yet again - no antibodies!


serenbat's Avatar serenbat 08:25 AM 02-19-2014
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A friend of mine hat titres drawn for rubella while pregnant (standard procedure here) and it showed no antibodies. So after the pregnancy she got the MMR shot. 1 1/2 years later she was pregnant again and guess what they found when she had titres drawn - no antibodies! Go figure. So she had the MMR shot again after the pregnancy and when she got pregnant with her 3 child 2 years later - yet again - no antibodies!

BUT this just can't be according to the vaccine side!   and it's just nothing I suppose to keep getting several shots! :eyesroll


Mirzam's Avatar Mirzam 09:18 AM 02-19-2014
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A friend of mine hat titres drawn for rubella while pregnant (standard procedure here) and it showed no antibodies. So after the pregnancy she got the MMR shot. 1 1/2 years later she was pregnant again and guess what they found when she had titres drawn - no antibodies! Go figure. So she had the MMR shot again after the pregnancy and when she got pregnant with her 3 child 2 years later - yet again - no antibodies!

Very same thing happened to my sister. Funny that!


sassyfirechick's Avatar sassyfirechick 11:59 AM 02-19-2014

I *think* I have antibodies....I did get titered during regular blood work while pregnant and it was never offered by the midwife group (who are part of a regular OB practice so they did offer up every vaccine) but I honestly don't remember!  That I know of I didn't have rubella, but was vaxxed for MMR at some point late childhood...early 90's perhaps?  Maybe next time around I'll pay more attention!


Asiago's Avatar Asiago 01:30 PM 02-19-2014
My OB wanted to administer the Rubella vax before I conceived. I asked for a titer and it was positive, I guess I had previously been exposed.
Minerva that is interesting about the titer. I wonder if she seroconverted but just not considered an adequate level of antibodies. Truly anything over one dilution should mean that memory cells would respond upon the next exposure to the antigen.
There are two types of titers. The best I feel is quantitative and gives you a dilution number. Whereas qualitative just reads POS/ NEG. I wouldn't trust those.
Asiago's Avatar Asiago 01:31 PM 02-19-2014
My OB wanted to administer the Rubella vax before I conceived. I asked for a titer and it was positive, I guess I had previously been exposed.
Minerva23 that is interesting about the titer. I wonder if she seroconverted but just not considered an adequate level of antibodies. Truly anything over one dilution should mean that memory cells would respond upon the next exposure to the antigen.
There are two types of titers. The best I feel is quantitative and gives you a dilution number. Whereas qualitative just reads POS/ NEG. I wouldn't trust those.
Taximom5's Avatar Taximom5 01:35 PM 02-19-2014
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I had rubella at 4mos old in '64...i often wonder if that is the source of my juvie arthritis, and now osteoarthritis is crippling me at a young age (50) to the point i've applied for disability.  With all four of my kids, every time the prenatals were done, every nurse had the same comment: "Gee, your rubella titers are at 98%, that's great!'   And that was 30yrs after having rubella  as an infant.    But to get a dr to listen to me seriously about it is a joke. My concerns were pooh poohed.  'Oh , that's not possibly the cause'  'Well, lots of people your age have arthritis'..um, NO they don't..i know of NO ONE my age who is crippled like i am from it..RA tests were neg, too.   And then there was the total dismissal of concerns  'No, i don't think it has anything to do with it'.. didn't even bother entertaining the idea that maybe rubella could have something to do with it.  I think it does.  


Emmy, sorry to get offtopic.gif , but have you ever either been tested for celiac disease, or tried a 100% gluten-free, casein-free diet?

I ask because I know someone who was diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis in her early teens; after 3 years of physical therapy, and 3 years of near-constant ibuprofen use, she tried a gluten-free diet (at age 16), and her arthritis symptoms almost completely disappeared.  They DID completely disappear when she went off dairy as well, as did her frequent migraines.  She got tested within a month of going off gluten (which is iffy timing, as you can end up with a false negative), and STILL tested positive for celiac disease.

 

Back on topic, if the MMR shot is known to cause arthritis/arthralgia in up to 25% of adult females who get it (something Merck even admits on their website, in the small print), what's it causing in babies?   If the shot causes arthritis, why not the virus? 


And if you're 50--you might have been given the vaccine at some point anyway, in addition to having had all the diseases.  Quite a lot of women have been given MMRs by their doctors before or between pregnancies, even if they recall having had the disease.  Until very, very recently, doctors never bothered testing for titers.  Most still don't.


minerva23's Avatar minerva23 01:38 PM 02-19-2014

They do the quantatives here and give you the dilution number. At least I haven't seen it any other way yet.


inconditus's Avatar inconditus 01:59 PM 02-19-2014
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Cool! What anime is that?

 

Nagi no Asukara 


emmy526's Avatar emmy526 05:27 AM 02-20-2014
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Emmy, sorry to get offtopic.gif , but have you ever either been tested for celiac disease, or tried a 100% gluten-free, casein-free diet?  No

I ask because I know someone who was diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis in her early teens; after 3 years of physical therapy, and 3 years of near-constant ibuprofen use, she tried a gluten-free diet (at age 16), and her arthritis symptoms almost completely disappeared.  They DID completely disappear when she went off dairy as well, as did her frequent migraines.  She got tested within a month of going off gluten (which is iffy timing, as you can end up with a false negative), and STILL tested positive for celiac disease.

 

Back on topic, if the MMR shot is known to cause arthritis/arthralgia in up to 25% of adult females who get it (something Merck even admits on their website, in the small print), what's it causing in babies?   If the shot causes arthritis, why not the virus? I've been trying to find articles on post rubella arthritis, but most seem to link it to the vaccine


And if you're 50--you might have been given the vaccine at some point anyway, in addition to having had all the diseases.  Quite a lot of women have been given MMRs by their doctors before or between pregnancies, even if they recall having had the disease.  Until very, very recently, doctors never bothered testing for titers.  Most still don't.  I know i had  mumps and rubella for certain, i remember the mumps at 4yr old - my sis had a much worse case at 9yrs old, we had them the same time and i remember she was in bed most of the time while i got to play and stay up.  Not sure if i was ever given the vaccine - our pedi at that time would not have recommended it for us, in particular because all my sibs had gotten measles, mumps, and rubella naturally in the 50's and 60's.  Illness seemed to hit that particular sister worse than anyone in the family whenever a bug came around...incidentally, she was diagnosed a juvie type 2 diabetic at 16yrs old. 


LitMom's Avatar LitMom 10:51 PM 02-20-2014
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A friend of mine hat titres drawn for rubella while pregnant (standard procedure here) and it showed no antibodies. So after the pregnancy she got the MMR shot. 1 1/2 years later she was pregnant again and guess what they found when she had titres drawn - no antibodies! Go figure. So she had the MMR shot again after the pregnancy and when she got pregnant with her 3 child 2 years later - yet again - no antibodies!

 

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Very same thing happened to my sister. Funny that!

This is almost exactly what happened to me. Apparently it's fairly common. Got married, GA tested for Rubella before you could get a marriage license. No immunity. Got MMR. Got ready to have first kid, had tests done, low immunity. Got MMR again (before I got pregnant). Hospital apparently tested when she was born. Low immunity. Shot yet again. 3 years later, got pregnant with second child. Got tested... Said, "Let me guess. Low immunity?" Was told, "Nope. Your titers are fine actually." 

 

All this time, I also presumed I had had the MMR as a child, and never had Rubella. I know I had the MMR jab at least once since I remember it at 5-ish. Then my dad told me I apparently had Rubella as a baby before I was old enough for the MMR. 


fisherfamily's Avatar fisherfamily 10:57 PM 02-20-2014
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Very same thing happened to my sister. Funny that!

Happened to my friend, too! She finally just gave up!
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