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BTW, another name for Guillan Barre Syndrome is French polio.

Google French Polio, and you get links to GBS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/French+Polio

 

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That's helpful to know. Thanks.
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I'm not here often lately, but I know I can always rely on folks here to have more useful information than the mass media.  Thank you--subscribing.

 

By the way, one article I read (that I can't find now!) mentioned that one little girl with symptoms had a mass on the nerves in either her arm or her spine.  I wonder how that figures into the picture.

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This is interesting. from http://news.yahoo.com/polio-disease-appears-california-children-074000774.html?bcmt_s=m#ugccmt-container

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 Van Haren, who diagnosed Sofia, said polio vaccines do not protect children from the disease, but he stressed that it is still important for children to receive that vaccine.

I love doublespeak!


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This is interesting. from http://news.yahoo.com/polio-disease-appears-california-children-074000774.html?bcmt_s=m#ugccmt-container
I love doublespeak!

I questioned that statement too....
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I think he meant that polio vaccine does not protect against enterovirus-68, not that polio vaccine doesn't protect against polio.

 

I'm betting that this is an advance marketing effort for a new enterovirus-68 vaccine to hit the schedule. If enough panic is generated, they'll make it a thimerosal-preserved multi-dose vial, and give it to newborns and pregnant women.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15302951

 

"Enterovirus (EV) 68 was originally isolated in California in 1962 from four children with respiratory illness. Since that time, reports of EV68 isolation have been very uncommon. Between 1989 and 2003, 12 additional EV68 clinical isolates were identified and characterized, all of which were obtained from respiratory specimens of patients with respiratory tract illnesses. No EV68 isolates from enteric specimens have been identified from these same laboratories."

 

What the heck are they spraying in California?

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Well, there IS a vaccine in development for a different enterovirus, enterovirus-71.

 

I wonder if the polio vaccine and Rotashield caused other enteroviruses to mutate?

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Well, there IS a vaccine in development for a different enterovirus, enterovirus-71.

 

I wonder if the polio vaccine and Rotashield caused other enteroviruses to mutate?

Sad.  Why not?


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I didn't see this posted - (gasp!---) according to this - it is enterovirus 68 and two have tested positive and all are vaccinated for polio, but it's well, not, let's back up, we are not calling it you know……..ah, no connection, ah ah ah ah

 

 this is edited - if anyone finds the whole thing I would really like to see it

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-a-wave-of-poliolike-symptoms-in-california-cause-for-alarm/

 

 

These children did not test positive for polio, but two of the children did test positive for a different kind of enterovirus, enterovirus 68. What’s your theory for what’s going on here?
Acute flaccid paralysis, that’s acute paralysis of parts of the body–in this case the limbs, can result from a variety of viruses including polio virus and non-polio enteroviruses including enterovirus 68, West Nile Disease, echovirus and adenoviruses. Most people who get enteroviruses have mild symptoms and no testing is ever done on them. I think we’re looking at a rare outcome in these children.

 

​I found this interesting - but well, that's me! 

 

So what would spark an enterovirus to cause paralysis when that’s such a rare symptom?
It’s probably a combination of how the host interacts with the virus. If you think about a condition like chicken pox it used to infect basically every single child in the U.S. With four million cases a year a hundred kids died. Why did those kids die? It’s really hard to explain. It’s an interaction of the virus and the host. Either genetically they didn’t cope with the virus as well or they got an unusually high dose of the virus, it’s hard to say.


 

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So maybe a type of serotype replacement maybe?

 

It's awful for those children. Bad outcomes. I hope scientists study the virus(es) more closely. In contrast the news about the mumps outbreak in NY in fully vaccinated children made big waves with no poor outcomes - shouldn't this enterovirus get more coverage?

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http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/02/puzzling-polio-illness-reported-5-california-children

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Cases were included in the study if the children had paralysis in one or more limbs with abnormal MRI scans of the spinal cord that explained the paralysis. They excluded children who met criteria for Guillain-Barre syndrome and botulism, which can cause similar symptoms.

The five children experienced paralysis of one or more arms or legs that began suddenly and reached peak severity within 2 days of onset. Three of the children had a respiratory illness before the symptoms began. All of the children had been previously vaccinated against poliovirus.

Despite treatment, the children's symptoms did not improve, and they still had poor limb function after 6 months, the AAN said. Two of them tested positive for EV-68.

"Our findings have important implications for disease surveillance, testing and treatment," said Van Haren. "We would like to stress that this syndrome appears to be very, very rare. Any time a parent sees symptoms of paralysis in a child, the child should be seen by a doctor right away."

 

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ases were included in the study if the children had paralysis in one or more limbs with abnormal MRI scans of the spinal cord that explained the paralysis. They excluded children who met criteria for Guillain-Barre syndrome and botulism, which can cause similar symptoms.

The five children experienced paralysis of one or more arms or legs that began suddenly and reached peak severity within 2 days of onset. Three of the children had a respiratory illness before the symptoms began. All of the children had been previously vaccinated against poliovirus.

Despite treatment, the children's symptoms did not improve, and they still had poor limb function after 6 months, the AAN said. Two of them tested positive for EV-68.

"Our findings have important implications for disease surveillance, testing and treatment," said Van Haren. "We would like to stress that this syndrome appears to be very, very rare. Any time a parent sees symptoms of paralysis in a child, the child should be seen by a doctor right away."

 

Unless, of course, your daughter just got Gardasil, in which case she will be diagnosed with conversion disorder and given anti-anxiety medication...

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I wonder if any of these kids were part of the test group for infant Gardasil?

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It isn't like it's been 20 kids in a few weeks---It's been since 2012.  They are just releasing it now.  And all the 20 kids were fully vaccinated for polio.  They are thinking it's another enterovirus (which polio and other common viruses like hand foot and mouth) are part of the same grouping.  And that the virus itself is relatively common but in rare cases it can cause severe effects like paralysis.  The CNN article http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/health/california-mystery-disease/ specifically says it is NOT polio and all the kids were fully UTD on polio vaccine, but then still degenerates at the end into a "get your kids vaccinated for polio" spiel.


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This seems to be one of the more informative articles that I have read in the past day:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/25/health/california-mystery-disease/

Oops sorry Nukuspot, same article that you posted. I should have read your post first.
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http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/cdc-not-unduly-alarmed-cases-polio-illness-california/2014-02-27

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CDC is 'not unduly alarmed' by cases of a polio-like illness in California


 

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The cases have prompted a slew of media coverage, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has played down fears. So far the Stanford team has confirmed 5 cases of acute flaccid paralysis (AFP)--the symptoms seen in polio cases--and suspects up to 20 children may have been affected over the past 18 months. While expressing concern for the families involved, the Stanford researchers and CDC have sought to reassure the public that California is not facing an epidemic of a polio-like illness.

seems more like denial to me

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You know, some children with autism have motor control issues and poor muscle tone--and intestinal issues. I wonder if these cases of acute flaccid paralysis are related to the kind of vaccine injury seen in autistic children, and whether EV-68 (or other enterovirus exposure) combined with a vaccine visit is a causal factor.
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You know, some children with autism have motor control issues and poor muscle tone--and intestinal issues. I wonder if these cases of acute flaccid paralysis are related to the kind of vaccine injury seen in autistic children, and whether EV-68 (or other enterovirus exposure) combined with a vaccine visit is a causal factor.

But that would mean admitting vaccine injuries exist and might add a notch in the belt of "vaccines being relate to autism"...:lurk

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You know, some children with autism have motor control issues and poor muscle tone--and intestinal issues. I wonder if these cases of acute flaccid paralysis are related to the kind of vaccine injury seen in autistic children, and whether EV-68 (or other enterovirus exposure) combined with a vaccine visit is a causal factor.

You can do a titer test for EV-68 - that would be interesting to see who does have it. It might be worth knowing for some people.


 

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I know this is an old thread, but I would like to revive it given the sudden "epidemic" of enterovirus-68 across the country. I came to MDC specifically to search for comments on this virus because we are traveling to Ohio this weekend with our children. My friends daughter has been suffering from a bad cough and bronchitis, and now strep. We were supposed to stay at their house, but I am concerned. Not so much about the strep since she is being treated for it (assuming that it WAS strep... I never asked if she had an actual strep test), but about the respiratory illness she has had. I just read an article about 500+ children in Cincinnati being treated for E68. No one seems to have died from it, but it sure doesn't sound like fun or like something I want my 18 month old to get.

Anyway, my search on MDC didn't turn up much, but led me to this thread and it surprised me.

Does anyone have any further info or thoughts on this? A Google-search on the CA polio-like illness didn't come back with anything current, and none of the E68 articles mentioned a polio-like link.

Someone in this thread mentioned they believed this could be a push to develop and add another vax to the schedule. As of yet, there is no vax for E68. We don't vax anyway, but it's made me think....

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There are a lot of enteroviruses and polio is one. Generally, if they stay in the gut/digestive area they aren't particularly problematic. When polio gets into the central nervous system it can cause paralysis, but something usually has to "help" it invade the CNS.

This new one is getting into the respiratory system. There are several oddities. One is that it is striking children only. The other is how an enterovirus is getting into the respiratory area. They are recommending hand washing.

I'm puzzled and need more info.
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