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sassyfirechick's Avatar sassyfirechick 10:29 AM 03-02-2014

So friend of mine, 36wks pregnant, just got out the hospital after a near week long stint tested positive with H1N1.  Doesn't do flu vax so I'm sure she got an earful while there, but she said all the staff was impressed by how quickly she recovered.  Question: assumedly she will have phenomenal immunity for the future - what about the baby?  Any links out there about the effects of having the flu while pregnant in terms of the babies health outcome for future (like immunity)?  I'm guessing she was on antibiotics and fever reducers while in the hospital, I didn't really ask, but we've chatted about vaxxing and she does vax for most things but is totally supportive of those who don't so I wanted to maybe pass along some info for her.  She did develop pre-e during the ordeal and will be having a c-sec this week (baby ill be 37wks so basically full term), but I'm sure probiotics will be a necessary to counteract the antibiotics.  Anything else I can share with her?



kathymuggle's Avatar kathymuggle 12:42 PM 03-02-2014

Is she expecting a boy or girl?


sassyfirechick's Avatar sassyfirechick 01:17 PM 03-02-2014

Boy


kathymuggle's Avatar kathymuggle 01:47 PM 03-02-2014

Well, this is my take, it is a little fear based (or reality based - take your pick).

 

I asked about gender because my mind went straight to autism.  Autism is more common in boys than girls, and if she was expecting a girl, I  would not be overly worried.

 

Flu during pregnancy does seem to be linked to a higher rate of autism.  I am not sure if it is the fever, the fever reducers, the antibiotics, the flu vaccine, etc…but it is concerning.

 

pre-eclampsia and autism are also linked:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19936906

 

I think both induction and c-section are associated with a higher ASD risk, however if she has pre-e it might be unavoidable.  I am not sure which is riskier - induction or c-section (anyone?).  I did have pre-e with my first birth, was induced and gave birth vaginally.  So - some with pre-e can give birth vaginally.  It is up to her and her health care provider.

 

Honeslty, given his rough fetal start in life, i would be fairly careful during his early years.  I would: 

 

-Not vaccinate (duh, lol). 2nd choice - Delay to age 3 at least and go very slowly once you do decide to vaccinate.  If she will not go for that, perhaps she can be talked out of the Hep. b at birth.

-breastfeed

-not use daycare if at all possible for the first few years.   I would try hard to minimise the likelihood of wanting/needing to use fever reducers and/or antibiotics - and daycares can be breeding grounds for illness.  


serenbat's Avatar serenbat 03:35 PM 03-02-2014
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So friend of mine, 36wks pregnant, just got out the hospital after a near week long stint tested positive with H1N1.  Doesn't do flu vax so I'm sure she got an earful while there, but she said all the staff was impressed by how quickly she recovered.  Question: assumedly she will have phenomenal immunity for the future - what about the baby?  Any links out there about the effects of having the flu while pregnant in terms of the babies health outcome for future (like immunity)?  I'm guessing she was on antibiotics and fever reducers while in the hospital, I didn't really ask, but we've chatted about vaxxing and she does vax for most things but is totally supportive of those who don't so I wanted to maybe pass along some info for her.  She did develop pre-e during the ordeal and will be having a c-sec this week (baby ill be 37wks so basically full term), but I'm sure probiotics will be a necessary to counteract the antibiotics.  Anything else I can share with her?

at least your friend is not in the UK (I'm assuming) - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims-swine-flu-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572

 

I agree with what Kathy mentioned- I do worry more about males but I know a sever female with autism - it does happen!

 

Hope things work out well - sorry to hear!


sassyfirechick's Avatar sassyfirechick 04:22 PM 03-02-2014

Thanks guys! Will pass info along.  She sent me a message today about how the hospital staff told her the current flu vax wouldn't have made a difference even if she had gotten it bc it doesn't contain H1N1 and that the current vax is ineffective this year as the circulating strain most common is same as 1950's so they clearly guessed wrong formulating that one!


emmy526's Avatar emmy526 04:59 PM 03-02-2014
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Thanks guys! Will pass info along.  She sent me a message today about how the hospital staff told her the current flu vax wouldn't have made a difference even if she had gotten it bc it doesn't contain H1N1 and that the current vax is ineffective this year as the circulating strain most common is same as 1950's so they clearly guessed wrong formulating that one!

Can't help but wonder if they lied to her...according to the CDC:  http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2013-2014.htm

 

Quote:

What flu viruses does this season’s vaccine protect against?

Flu vaccines are designed to protect against the influenza viruses that experts predict will be the most common during the upcoming season. Three kinds of influenza viruses commonly circulate among people today: Influenza A (H1N1) viruses, influenza A (H3N2) viruses, and influenza B viruses. Each year, these viruses are used to produce seasonal influenza vaccine.

The 2013-2014 trivalent influenza vaccine is made from the following three viruses:

  • an A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)pdm09-like virus;
  • an A(H3N2) virus antigenically like the cell-propagated prototype virus A/Victoria/361/2011;
  • a B/Massachusetts/2/2012-like virus.

 


apeydef's Avatar apeydef 10:28 PM 03-06-2014
Well if she and to bf she will passim those immunities but I'm sure you already know that lol
Mama505's Avatar Mama505 01:23 AM 03-07-2014

I had the flu during the second trimester of my first pregnancy, and I am pretty sure that it was the 'Swine Flu' as that is what was going around.  I didn't go to the hospital though, so I didn't get antibiotics or anything else for that matter.  I didn't have pre-e, but eventually had a c-section (and a son).  He is super healthy, not vaxed, shows no signs of being on the spectrum, oh and was bf until 3 1/2 pretty regularly, then occasionally until 4yo.  I have no medical facts, but maybe a glimmer of hope for a healthy babe! 

 

I was wondering if my immunities from that bout of the flu 4 1/2 years ago would pass along to my 6mo old nursling now... hmmmm, I hope so!

 

I agree with kathymuggle's list of suggestions: no vaxing, no daycare, and breastfeed breastfeed, breastfeed!


minerva23's Avatar minerva23 12:37 PM 03-07-2014
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Thanks guys! Will pass info along.  She sent me a message today about how the hospital staff told her the current flu vax wouldn't have made a difference even if she had gotten it bc it doesn't contain H1N1 and that the current vax is ineffective this year as the circulating strain most common is same as 1950's so they clearly guessed wrong formulating that one!

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/vaccine-604283-vaccines-flu.html

 

Well, according to this article posted in the measles thread,the flu vax is 60% effective this year. So who is right now? But I bet if I read another ten articles on the flu vax for this season, I most likely will end up with 10 different numbers on the effectiveness.


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