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Yes, I am posting this on the I'm Not Vaccinating forums on purpose. Read through it and I think you will see why...

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/circumcision-rate-falls-despite-health-risks-n69891

 

It reads eerily like a piece on vaccination and even compares the necessity of circumcision to the necessity of vaccinating, complete with the bad mommy talks doctors are supposed to give their patients if they question them on it.

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Yes, I am posting this on the I'm Not Vaccinating forums on purpose. Read through it and I think you will see why...

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/circumcision-rate-falls-despite-health-risks-n69891

 

It reads eerily like a piece on vaccination and even compares the necessity of circumcision to the necessity of vaccinating, complete with the bad mommy talks doctors are supposed to give their patients if they question them on it.

 

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Doctors and parents should look at circumcision in the same way they look at vaccinations, Morris said. Parents might be hesitant to get their newborn sons circumcised, but they should recognize it as surgery that will improve health.

 

And this presumably was said in all seriousness..... banghead.gif


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My DS is 11, uncircumcised, and perfectly healthy. I didn't mess around with his foreskin either. I know doctors recommend pulling the skin back to clean the area, but maybe that is why uncircumcised boys have problems, because of soap and antibacterials in that area? Supposedly, there is a risk for girls and women if they sit in a soapy tub too long, so would this also be true for soap trapped under the foreskin? Or, maybe too much soap kills off beneficial bacteria, which may lead to infection? If that's the case, well then leave the boys uncircumcised, and teach parents the correct way to keep it clean! Don't cut on infants, duh!

 

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 health benefits of circumcision exceeded the risks by more than 100 to 1

The same way they represent the ratio of disease risks to vaccine risks! I wonder if this article will bother people who did not circumcise but fully vaccinate. Will they see what we've been dealing with all these years? Will they continue to excuse the media and medical authorities, or will this give them reason to question the system?


 
 
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Scary. And definitely not always left up to the parents, as many horror stories here on mothering reveal.


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I am deeply saddened by that article. Are they for real???

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As always, follow the money.

 

 

"One baby foreskin can be stretched to grow almost $100,000 worth of fibroblasts"

Isn't that special. :angry


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Hmmm, Chicharronita, I believe you've got it! Note how the parents, or child, do not receive any compensation for the foreskin, and actually have to pay for the procedure (or through insurance, which is still a form of payment).

 

Follow the money indeed. Listen to this medical advice, which is most likely more of a ploy for $$ than a true health concern. Gee, what does this remind you of? The entire drug-based health system?


 
 
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Truly sickening

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Sigh....

The most common medical problems associated with an intact foreskin are bacterial and viral infections, including urinary tract infections and sexually transmitted diseases

Again with the STD's!!   Seriously where are all these promiscuous newborns coming from that they need to be circ'd and vaxxed for hep B the day they are born??!  How about this - you reach adulthood and want it done, by all means, but leave the babies alone!

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As always, follow the money.

 

 

"One baby foreskin can be stretched to grow almost $100,000 worth of fibroblasts"

Isn't that special. :angry

O.M.G.....that is truly disturbing....who the @#$% even came up with that idea????? Every time I think I've heard it all.....

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"The international team of researchers say that's worrisome because uncircumcised infants are at a greater risk for urinary tract infections, which can lead to kidney damage. "

 

I thought the above quote was interesting.  

 

It reminds me of a vaccination argument:

" measles is a cause of ear infections and ear infection can cause deafness!"

 

Kids, unfortunately, get ear infections all.the.time  and doctors do not wring their hands over an individual ear infection.  The patient is prescribed antibiotics and sent on their merry way.  However, if the ear infection is tied to a VAD, then suddenly it is a major deal.

 

Typically simple to treat things like UTI and ear infections are often only cause for hand wringing when TPTB want to influence you to do something.  


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There may be a greater risk of UTI but the absolute risk must be pretty small. I've been working in EDs around Australia for 14 years now. Our circ rate is about 10-25%, I believe, and we are not seeing lots of small boys with UTIs. Anecdotal obviously but we do tend to be aware of trends and then people start publishing and I haven't seen any articles either.

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Medical-industrial complex, you're at it again.

When I have a UTI, I chug some antibiotics. I don't go chopping off body parts to prevent it. While we're at it, let's remove our breasts and wombs to prevent cancer. eyesroll.gif

But yes, I see the connection. They put out a press release guilting parents into questionable medical decisions. Let's keep lowering those circ rates, America, and show *them* who's boss.

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The article comments aren't loading for me. It's just as well. I'd like to keep my blood pressure at its healthfully low levels.

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How this is news - the journalist is either a circumfetish or plain stupid and lazy for not fact checking. Brian Morris is known to be a circumfetish-creepo. Read up on him. How any sane person could ever quote that CREEP is beyond me.

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Oh, wow. Just when I thought I'd heard everything. The unimaginable level of corruption is really starting to get me down.

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The STD thing bugs me, too. It boils down to this. To prevent HIV, a guy has two choices. He can undergo invasive corrective surgery and wear a condom, or he can stay in-tact and wear a condom. Yea. Tough choice. eyesroll.gif

If I could give new parents one little bitty bit of advice, it is never to base their medical decisions on mainstream media articles.

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That article just got me fuming. Wow, male genital mutilation is supposed to be healthier than the way nature designed it? For real!!! In my country (Germany) a circ is only done if medically absolutely necessary. I have not heard or read anything about all these poor baby boys falling ill with UTIs etc like stated in that shabby piece of propaganda. One should really look at the historic facts how circs were introduced to the US public. Thanks to Dr. Kellog:

 

"A remedy [for masturbation] which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision...The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind...In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement. " -- Dr. John Harvey Kellogg

 

and then going on to compare this to vaccines is just beyond me!


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here's another doozy

Circumcision should be offered 'like vaccines' to the parents of baby boys, study claims

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2595307/Circumcision-offered-like-vaccines-parents-baby-boys-study-claims.html#ixzz2xy5iVJHU 
 

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And if the whole reasoning behind circ'ing was so boys would quit playing with themselves, why do they still bother? 2 of my boys are unfortunately circ'd and they have played with themselves ever since the day the discovered it. That line at the end about whatever acid on the clitoris, makes me shudder.

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Intact is a better word to use for a normal penis.  Uncircumcised makes it sound as if to be circumcised is the normal state of a penis to be in.  ;)

 

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There may be a greater risk of UTI but the absolute risk must be pretty small. I've been working in EDs around Australia for 14 years now. Our circ rate is about 10-25%, I believe, and we are not seeing lots of small boys with UTIs. Anecdotal obviously but we do tend to be aware of trends and then people start publishing and I haven't seen any articles either.

 

Exactly. I wish there was more discussion on how this push for circing in the US seems to be more of a cultural phenomenon than based in medical fact. How else to explain that other developed Western nations that do not have high RIC rates are not re-evaluating their stances nor advocating that parents choose RIC for supposed health benefits?

 

If the benefit were as tangible as purported, wouldn't Sweden, Finland, and the Netherlands have jumped on the bandwagon?


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