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#1 of 7 Old 03-18-2008, 10:17 AM - Thread Starter
 
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I am feeling very isolated and alone in my desicion not to Vaccinate. I was wondering if there were any people in my area who felt the same way about not vaccinating. I live in a town in upstate NY just south of Lake Ontario. Thank you for any support in advance!
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There is a section called "tribal areas" at the top of this forum. You should be able to find a NY state tribe and maybe locate some other mom's close to you! It is hard when you feel alone but just coming to this forum and knowing there are so many others who choose not to vax, really puts me at ease even if I don't know anyone in real life who has the same views as me.
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Hi,

I also saw your post on the hello thread and you were looking for some info I think. Here is a bunch of info I gave to another mom. It has a lot of great links in it that people reference around here. Hope this helps:

Here is a great source of info.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html

It comes from the CDC and reports all cases of vaccine preventable diseases. You need to click on CURRENT ISSUE and then scroll down to around page 100 and you will see every case reported in the US. For example:

Measles – There were 35 cases in the US in 2007.
Tetanus – There were 22 cases in the US in 2007.

Then you can go to info from the CDC and look up each disease individually.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm

You can see how rare these diseases really are and how rare the complications are if you do end up getting sick. It really puts things into perspective. Some of the stats seem a little off but that is for you to decide and research.

I will use the 2 examples I used before:

Measles – Deaths from measles was reported in approximately .2% of the cases in the US from 1985-1992. So of the 35 people who got measles last year…maybe 1 person died (out of 300,000,000 in the US).

Tetanus – Only about 1% of cases are fatal. So out of the 22 people who contracted tetanus last year….1 or 2 people died.

It’s quite shocking once you get down to the nitty gritty of vaccines.

Then there is the whole issue of the ingredients in vaccines. It's not just the mercury that is bad even though that's the only one you hear about on the news. Here are just a few to make your head spin that I got from this website

http://www.vacinfo.org/

phenol (used as a disinfectant), formaldehyde, aluminum (associated with alzheimer’s disease and seizures), glycerin (toxic to the kidney, liver, can cause lung damage, gastrointestinal damage and death), lead, cadmium, sulfates, yeast proteins, antibiotics, acetone (used in nail polish remover), neomycin and streptomycin. And the ingredient making the press is thimerosol (more toxic than mercury, a preservative still used in many vaccines, not easily eliminated, can cause severe neurological damage as well as other life threatening autoimmune disease). These vaccines are grown and strained through animal or human tissue, like monkey and dog kidney tissue, chick embryo, calf serum, human diploid cells (the dissected organs of aborted fetuses), pig blood, horse blood and rabbit brain.

This link will show you the package insert for every vaccine on the market in the US. You can look them up and see the ingredients used, the trials done, how effective they are, etc. Save this link because it is a really good one.

http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf

This video is amazing!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Vaccines-Risks...2162776&sr=1-1

It is by Dr. Tenpenny. She is a pediatrician who did over 7000 hours of research on vaccines. She went through all the cdc documents, studies, etc and put together this dvd. She goes over every vaccine, the history, the risks of the disease, etc. It really helped me out with DH who was very pro vaccine before watching this video which led to more research.

Then there is this website:

http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

It is a vaccine reaction database. You can do searches for different reactions to different vaccines. It’s a little hard to navigate at first but the easiest way to read it is to click on Event Category and Vaccine in the top portion called “organize table layout” and then go down to the “Select Vaccine Products” and choose the ones you are interested in. Then under “select event characteristics” I normally select death or permanent disability. Then you can pick a year they were vaccinated and submit. It gives you a nice little chart of how many people died from the vaccine. You can change your search criteria to meet whatever you are looking for.

It’s very handy when comparing how many people died to the disease compared to how many people had a permanent disability or death from the vaccine.

There is also this website which is full of articles written by Hillary Butler. She is well known in the non vax circle and very informed. Her book is called Just a Little Prick.

http://www.*********/vaccines/butler3.html

So what I did was make a binder with a tab for each disease that has a vaccine and started reading. I printed off all the info I could find and put it in the binder and slowly started reading. It’s a great way to archive the info and refresh your memory when you aren’t sure about the facts.
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You are very gracious to provide me with all this material. It must have taken you a while to put together. The binder is a great idea, and I will actually start doing that. It will help me to be more organized so that I can convince my DH, who is also having a hard time going from pro to anti vax. Amazing how conditioned weve become isnt it?
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Hi there!
You have come to the right place for support. Because people will tell you numbers of deaths are so low BECAUSE of vaccines, here's an interesting statistic:

7,575 people died of measles in 1920 in the U.S.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm (paragraph 1)

408 people died of measles in 1962 in the U.S.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

The measles vaccine was introduced in 1963.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...m#00003752.htm

That's almost a 95% decrease in deaths BEFORE the vaccine.
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Hi! I'm not in NY but I am in rural MO, where it feels like all my parenting choices, including non-vax, are considered way out there by the other parents here. I don't even tell people about a lot of my decisions/style. MDC is great for support. Hang in there!
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Hey I'm in Ontario NY! You're not alone mama!
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