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#1 of 22 Old 07-21-2008, 03:37 PM - Thread Starter
 
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She sent me this link.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,379388,00.html


She knows we're not vax'ing. I cna't collect my thoughts. I want to respond in a respectful way, not just an angry one. What should I say to her.other than stop sending me this junk.

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I would ignore it entirely.

If she brings it up, you can say "You know what? My parenting decisions are not up for discussion. My, don't your roses look lovely this year!"
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Did she even read what she sent you?

Measles is not a dangerous infection. The kids that die live in the developing world (and are lacking nutrition and clean water besides vita A).

70 people out of 300 million people. What is the concern here?
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I would send her this:

MMR Deaths

MMR Adverse Events

With the note:

"Thanks, but I think I'll take my chances with measles"

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Don't debate it and don't defend your position. My neighbor tries to give me her "helpful opinion" more than often even without me fueling "controverse" topic like vaxes.

I wouldn't even respond since she ain't ready to listen anyway...Anybody that considers Fox credile research, sorry.
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Don't debate it and don't defend your position. My neighbor tries to give me her "helpful opinion" more than often even without me fueling "controverse" topic like vaxes.

I wouldn't even respond since she ain't ready to listen anyway...Anybody that considers Fox credile research, sorry.
Ehh Fox has some good things....not necessarily research though like you said. I definitely agree with teh first part....I should have just done that when a friend tried to send me stuff from another parenting website...but noooooo I thought I had to try and refute it all. NOt worth it. Most people aren't intersested in hearing facts and having to give up long-believed notions.

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Oh my, is that really what most measles cases look like? (in the picture in the article)

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Don't debate it and don't defend your position. My neighbor tries to give me her "helpful opinion" more than often even without me fueling "controverse" topic like vaxes.

I wouldn't even respond since she ain't ready to listen anyway...Anybody that considers Fox credile research, sorry.

lol. I thought the same. I'm taking the high road, not gonna say a word. I can't argue with someone who feeds her baby cheese doodles all day anyway.: Thanks mamas.

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I know you said you weren't going to reply but...thought you'd be interested in the reply I sent to DH when he sent me the exact same article:

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Sigh….

"What concerns me is the trend of more and more people not vaccinating their children because of fears that vaccines cause autism — although no studies have proven this to be true," This is misleading, there are studies indicating a correlation. The former head of NIH recently was outspoken that scientists were too quick to dismiss the link. The head of the CDC recently said that the data they based their original conclusions on was FLAWED. Funny how they did not mention this in the article.

“"If this continues, we will see outbreaks throughout the entire developed world — something we have never seen before," he added” This is also misleading, as measles was as common or nearly as common in previous generations as chicken pox.

“"What you have to remember is that 250,000 children die from this virus every year,"” This is also misleading. They are using world numbers, where most of the deaths were most likely due to improper care and poor health/sanitation to begin with. This is a scare tactic to make it sound like this many people in the U.S. are going to die every year if the measles is widespread.

And again: http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=149

Secondary vaccine failure resulting in increased potential for serious disease in both babies and adults, as a result of mass vaccination, isn’t the only glitch in the vaccine-created herd immunity system, either.

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The article concludes with this “However, despite short-term success in eliminating the disease, long-range projections demonstrate that the proportion of susceptibles in the year 2050 may be greater than in the prevaccine era. Present vaccine technology and public health policy must be altered to deal with this eventuality.” So the end result will be the same number (or more) of susceptibles, but “distributed evenly thoroughout all age groups”. Since adults and infants have higher risk of Measles complications and fatality, the Measles eradication plan has resulted in higher risk to the overall population. Obviously the public health policy solution is more and more vaccination, more boosters for children and adolescents, and adults as well. A very short-sighted, questionable and expensive campaign to eliminate a self-limiting childhood disease.

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Oh my, is that really what most measles cases look like? (in the picture in the article)
I think they are probably using the worst possible picture they could find.
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I think they are probably using the worst possible picture they could find.
The picture of my son covered in a rash as a allergic reaction to the vac. he got the day before is worse! I wish I had taken a picture of him, but I didn't. Pics like that are scare tactics! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...
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I wouldn't respond to her either.

If she brings it up in conversation I'd say that Fox makes a fine source for entertainment if you're into that type of thing, but not news.

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Another who wouldn't respond. If she brought it up I would just ask if she was going to see her doctor to make sure she was up to date with all her shots because of her concern over the article.

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lol. I thought the same. I'm taking the high road, not gonna say a word. I can't argue with someone who feeds her baby cheese doodles all day anyway.: Thanks mamas.
Reply with links regarding proper nutrition.

Then tell her that if your child is properly nourished, he or she is less likely to become ill, anyway.
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Oh my, is that really what most measles cases look like? (in the picture in the article)
I have a picture of myself with measles as a small child that looked similar - I was one giant measle! My two kids have also both had measles. Ds1 was 28 months and barely had a rash - we only realised he had something when his sister got it. Dd was 10 months and had a slight rash that was nothing like as bad as that pic. Seems to me that there is a huge ammount of variability and for what it's worth none of us had any ill effects from getting measles (aside from feeling cruddy for a few days).

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Her kids are vaxed and full of cheese doodles - what is she so worried about if your kids are not vaxed? She is doing the best she can I'm sure.
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I'm definitely a REPLIER. LOL. I like confrontation! You could be kind and educate her, tell her that a few weeks of an uncomfortable rash is better than a lifetime of neurological disorders or <insert yucky effect>

Or, you could be snarky. :grin

Say, "wow, I hope my kids don't get that because that rash is going to look awful in our chirstmas pictures."

lol. no offense intended - I'm all talk I probably wouldn't say that either.
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A vote for responding.

"Oh my, you must be so worried about your kids developing atypical measles because they have been vaccinated with the MMR. If you ever want a shoulder to cry on or just to chat about ways to protect your kids, give me a call."

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And the common cold can become complicated and kill. I guess if she's really worried she should just live in a bubble and leave you and yours alone to enjoy living in the real world.

I'm assuming she has your email address because you actually talk to each other. I think you should simply tell her you're aware of both sides of the issue, and while you appreciate her concern, you made an informed decision and she needs to respect that and let it be.
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Oh my, is that really what most measles cases look like? (in the picture in the article)
Just because it looks bad doesn't mean disability or death. I wish I had a picture of myself covered in hives from antibiotic prescribed to me for a UTI. The ER staff actually stopped what they were doing and stared.

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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Wow, thanks mamas, this thread is 6 months old! I don't even talk to her anymore.

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I would send her this:

MMR Deaths

MMR Adverse Events

With the note:

"Thanks, but I think I'll take my chances with measles"
OMG! Just reading these makes my heart ache so bad!

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