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#31 of 52 Old 10-30-2008, 10:30 AM
 
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Really? Not anything? Really?
I dunno- do oatmeal baths count for chicken pox?

Fluids and chicken soup?

Rest and tv?

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I dunno- do oatmeal baths count for chicken pox?

Fluids and chicken soup?

Rest and tv?

-Angela

What about antibiotics for pertussis, diphtheria and pneumococcus? It's not just all about the varicella.

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To Whom It May Concern:

My family’s religious beliefs prohibit us from using many modern medical tests such as blood tests, immunizations, x-rays, and most other invasive medical procedures. As such, we will be unable to provide you with an immunization record or iron level for our visits.


I am aware that according to WIC federal guidelines we may not qualify for WIC if our other medical and dietary factors are normal.


“Bloodwork Exemptions

Certain participants may be granted an exemption from the bloodwork requirement:

• Individuals whose religious beliefs prohibit the taking of blood (i.e., Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists, etc.)

• Applicants with chronic medical conditions such as hemophilia or AIDS, if their doctor documents that they are getting medical care, requests that you not do
additional blood tests, and provides bloodwork information periodically.

These cases must be documented and dealt with as follows:

• Explain to the applicant/participant the purpose of bloodwork and its use as a reason for certification. Let them know that they may not qualify for WIC if other medical and dietary factors are normal, since Hct,Hgb/FEP results will not be available. Document in the chart that you have provided this information.

• Document the reason for the absence of bloodwork in the participant chart.

• Assess anthropometric, dietary and medical information for nutritional risk
and conduct all other steps appropriate for certification”

Codes 99/99.9 – Allowable reasons for waiving bloodwork include the following and must be documented in the client’s chart:
1. Infant is 6 months and blood work is waived to comply with CDC guidelines.
2. Applicants whose religious beliefs shall not allow them to have blood drawn.
3. Applicants with “life long” medical conditions such as hemophilia.
4. Applicants with a treatable skin disease or with a serious skin condition.

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I have done the research on the disease, the causes, and the likelihood of contracting it in my day to day life, and combined with that information and the fact that I have a strong negative reaction to the vax, I have made the decision to no longer vaccinate myself against Tetanus.
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I can not believe how unkind some responding posters have been to the OP. It certainly doesn't make any of you look better than if that's what you were going for.

To the OP, I wouldn't worry about tetanus or any other infection from a sterile needle finger prick at the WIC office.
Totally.

Plus, it really is a sterile prick. Just like when you test blood sugar for diabetes. I don't worry about getting tetnus every morning and evening from my test kit! plus I reuse lancetts, tell me who doesn't!! Its not like I share.

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What about antibiotics for pertussis, diphtheria and pneumococcus? It's not just all about the varicella.
I would not use antibiotics for pertussis. Chance of my kids getting diphtheria is about nil, so honestly I've not researched treatments. Pneumococcus chances of them getting the vax strains are close to nil.

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I would not use antibiotics for pertussis. Chance of my kids getting diphtheria is about nil, so honestly I've not researched treatments. Pneumococcus chances of them getting the vax strains are close to nil.

-Angela
The question wasn't about what you would do. The question was whether there are, in fact, treatments beyond supportive measures for most VPD, and the answer is that yes, there are.

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And tetanus isn't just out there, waiting to get in. It's in/on specific things, which is why the barnyard reference is made, b/c it can be found in things with poop on them.
The increased risk to farmers is so small I'm not sure that it would be statistically significant. Tetanus spores are everywhere (even in dust) but you are more likely to be struck by lightening than to contract it. The case studies I've happened to read concerning tetanus were elderly gardeners, and middle aged men of indifferent health, none of which were on farms.

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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Really? Not anything? Really?
I think she is referring to pharmaceuticals.

For pertussis, antibiotics are to prevent pnumonia in infants and to prevent the spread of the disease to the patient's contacts. The patient can be treated with sodium ascorbate and what ever makes them comfortable.

Measles? High doses of vitamin A, rest, fluids. There is nothing to do for a typical case.

For childhood illnesses comfort measures and increases in certain vitamins are pretty much all you do. I do have Romm's book for treatment ideas.

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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I'm all for helping out with religious exemptions, but discussions of religious issues in general can get snarky. How about we all play nice and be helpful to one another.

"It should be a rule in all prophylactic work that no harm should ever be unnecessarily inflicted on a healthy person (Sir Graham Wilson, The Hazards of Immunization, 1967)."
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Wow, this thread got really nasty for some reason. I didn't realize people here are expected to defend their religious beliefs when deciding not to vaccinate.

Instead of derisively snarking at someone who is seeking help and information, maybe some of you could actually, you know...help her.

3lilpunkins, you've gotten some good responses in here despite the rudeness, especially mysticmomma's letter of explanation. The DTaP archives here and all of the information at Inside Vaccines might also help you out.

And yeah, you're not going to get tetanus from a sterile needle prick in a modern medical office. Other infections, maybe, but almost certainly not tetanus.

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The question wasn't about what you would do. The question was whether there are, in fact, treatments beyond supportive measures for most VPD, and the answer is that yes, there are.


Except that antibiotics for pertussis don't help the person with pertussis. Their real purpose is to prevent transmission. So they shouldn't really be considered a treatment.

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What about antibiotics for pertussis, diphtheria and pneumococcus? It's not just all about the varicella.
Nope, we used vitamin C rich foods and breastmilk. No man made substances at all.

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Except that antibiotics for pertussis don't help the person with pertussis. Their real purpose is to prevent transmission. So they shouldn't really be considered a treatment.

-Angela
Why not? The people around you mean nothing?

Also, I've had pertussis, and a good solid whack of narcotics worked better as an antitussive than anything else I tried during the month before I was diagnosed.

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Nope, we used vitamin C rich foods and breastmilk. No man made substances at all.
If you had read my next post, you would have seen that my point was there are treatments that are not breastmilk, etc., and that my point was not what any individual chose to use but that the treatments are available.

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Hey, a religious exemption is probably really important to most of us on this thread.....what's with all the picking on someone who honestly uses one?

And this is *not* to be snarky to the OP...but I have been noticing IRL and online that a lot of people are really freaked out about tetanus and have a lot of mythical beliefs....what's up with that?

OP, where did you learn about tetanus? Did another doctor edumacate you?

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Why not? The people around you mean nothing?

Also, I've had pertussis, and a good solid whack of narcotics worked better as an antitussive than anything else I tried during the month before I was diagnosed.
It's not a treatment then. And no, I wouldn't use them.

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Wow, this thread got really nasty for some reason. I didn't realize people here are expected to defend their religious beliefs when deciding not to vaccinate.

Instead of derisively snarking at someone who is seeking help and information, maybe some of you could actually, you know...help her.
That's what most of us have been trying to do. But it's really hard to help someone when you can barely understand them, and they continually change directions and then accuse you of mocking their not-previously-mentioned religious beliefs.
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Chance of my kids getting diphtheria is about nil, so honestly I've not researched treatments.
-Angela
My family history: My great grandparents had something like 8 children. ONE of them got diphtheria.

My great grandfather stayed up with her all day and night, and when her breathing became labored, he would open her mouth and with his finger sweep the membrane, that had grown in her throat, away. He did that until the illness had worn itself out and the membrane wasn't growing anymore.

So there's a treatment for ya. A bit exhausting, but nothing else (other than maybe chiropractic, depending on when he became one and depending on when he gave up his practice compared to when his daughter got the disease) was done for her and she made it through.

(and let's note again that with two parents and about 7 siblings, only ONE person in the house got it)
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Hey, a religious exemption is probably really important to most of us on this thread.....what's with all the picking on someone who honestly uses one?

And this is *not* to be snarky to the OP...but I have been noticing IRL and online that a lot of people are really freaked out about tetanus and have a lot of mythical beliefs....what's up with that?

OP, where did you learn about tetanus? Did another doctor edumacate you?
OK, yay!! I finally got a few good answers!!!
My deal is this, I realized I was against vaxing b4 I investigated these diseases. My choice is not based on how serious are these diseases, and how likely am I to get them. My choice was based on religious beleifs, NOW I'm working on figuring out all these VPDs. I really thought you could only get tetanus from stepping on a rusty nail or something, but this is my precious baby, I can't take any chances with him. I'd rather forfeit WIC than forfeit DS.

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Why not? The people around you mean nothing?

Also, I've had pertussis, and a good solid whack of narcotics worked better as an antitussive than anything else I tried during the month before I was diagnosed.
#1- Don't cough on "the people around you", wash your hands and encourage them to wash their hands and not to touch their face; just like you would with any disease. I had pertussis a couple of years ago and dh did not get ill; if I avoid getting too close or coughing on him he does not catch what I have.

#2-The antibiotics kill the bacteria, not the toxin. If you are showing symptoms the bacteria have already produced enough toxin to make you sick.

#3-Killing your gut flora weakens your immune system and inhibits your recovery.

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