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#361 of 1527 Old 05-12-2005, 10:15 AM
 
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Where were you when I was getting the snot beat out of me on a tv for babies or not thread in Life With Babe? I said something about needing a life if you have time to watch TV and all of the ladies burned me at the stake.

oh well

also have better things to do than have petty online fights

thans for sharing your comebacks Sohj!

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Sohj...Where were you when I was getting the snot beat out of me on a tv for babies or not thread in Life With Babe? ...
I didn't see that thread, but I am SURE you handled yourself beautifully. Very sorry, but I cannot be there for every thread. Sometimes I am too busy defending myself with clients and contractors to actually voluntarily come here for a fight. :LOL

But, I did have a thread a while back that had similar comments, maybe you can link it next time? Or quote from it if you want. http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...on#post2082954 Feel free to revive it, even. Or start a thread about "Snot Beating about the Television Bush"
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I just read that link you sent and I want to say -- I think I love you.

What you saud about TV producers is TRUE. I know this becuase the great irony of all ironies is that I AM A TV PRODUCER/ WRITER (and used to be director but not since DS was born).
I am probably one of the only TV producers who does not watch TV. (maybe like the old joke about the gynecologist... )
I even used to produce "educational children's TV" when I was younger. And let me tell you we put in the BARE minimum education required by the FCC and made sure we filled the show with dumb jokes, pop culture references, and all of the plugs from the companies that gave us free stuff and paid for our production costs.

Even with the normal grown up shows I do know, I can't tell you how many times I have been told to dumb down my writing or leave out historical facts because viewers are too dumb and won't care! And trust me, these are on channels all the mamas here watch!

The only reason we still have our little 9 incher on the boat is so I can screen tapes for work. Which I need to be doing right now b/c I only work when DS is alseep and he is way off in dream land....

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on this thread: http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...ighlight=Amish
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I don't think it is that the show is condescending to the Amish.

Frankly, I'm pretty sure that at least some (if not all) of the Amish kids knew EXACTLY what they were getting into. Most are not exposed to stuff like this and the whole bizarre cult of celebrity, so they are less likely than many children I have know who are exposed early and often to the mass media to think that "if only I was famous, everyone would love me/envy me/want to be like me/have to do what I want/etc./etc." In some ways, I think they may have been protected by their existing sense of being different than the "english".

I used to have a friend who was a talented animator and photographer and who grew up amish. He came to NY on his "seeking" and never left. He was talented in ways that never would have found expression in an amish community: he was a natural at calculus and physics. He built and repaired cameras of all kinds. However, he also never let go of a variety of aspects of his upbringing. He never took up with a partner. I gathered that he would have wanted an amish family, but as he could not live in an amish community and remain true to himself, he lived without a family. It was something that I picked up by omissions from things he said, rather than what he actually said. Therefore, I could be wrong. Otoh, that is how we get descriptions in Henry James' novels, so it is possible that I did, in fact, understand perfectly well.

Their seeking-time (which is not necessarily just a year) may or may not happen outside of a community. Some never leave but do their thinking at home. My friend told me about a woman in their community who stayed and continued to be a midwife (what she had been apprenticed as) and one day simply moved to the married women's side of the meeting house. In other words, her seeking led her to decide that she would not marry and she declared herself no longer an available young woman. I gather that this was fairly radical. But accepted. And she never left.

Now, I think that the real problem here is the producers and the audience.

The producers are always looking for some "new" hook. Something to manipulate everyone with. Just for advertisers and money.

The audience is too busy keeping up with the latest TV programs to get to know their neighbors and others.

The audience is having this voyeuristic, intimate relationship with people on a screen. The audience now cares about all these people who have no clue who the people on their couches are. And, the people on the screen don't really care, either.

Now, Ms. Jane Audience and Mr. Joe Audience feel like they've "gotten to know" someone. Their emotions have been involved. And they've just blown another hour a week (or whatever) when they could have actually been working on getting to know someone in real life.

There are a lot of Amish out there. Northern Michigan, Southern Ohio, Northern Mexico, parts of Canada, etc. And there are possibly amish in your city or town who are on their seeking-time. If you stay at home in front of the television getting a pre-packaged dose of "reality" you are missing out.

And, even if you don't meet someone as rare as an amish, there are lots of interesting people.
Just some meandering thoughts about life, "reality", and time spent in front of the television.

Your thoughts?

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OK, I made this thread go comotose again. Should I join the threadkiller tribe?

Feel free to ignore my last post. :LOL It killed that thread, too.
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Not at all!

I am just busy crazy busy and then this morning DS started projectile vomiting... just another day in the life.

I don't have a whole heck of a lot fo time to be insightful -- but what you said is to a large extent true... from my experiences in the biz.
There are of course variations and exceptions as with all things in life...
But my brother is also a TV producer and heavy into the reality genre with some well known shows. There is maybe 2.5 seconds of reality in every reality TV show. There is too much money and such riding on these shows to leave it to chance and real reality. The producers need to guarantee they have a compelling story week to week, and that's where the staging comes in.

Yes we do focus groups BIG time (I hate them b/c then network execs obsses on them and we have to stick to such a formula there is no room for creativity)

BUT i think it is SOOOO sad the way people get into the cast of reality TV shows and root for them and so on. I think it's sad to watch other people's lives (especially since you only have to have a 1st grade education to realize it's ALL STAGED!!!) rather than live their own -- and like you said Sohj meet the people in the world around them.

This thread is the only safe place to say that though without getting eaten alive by defensive TV watchers!

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hey yeah, come on over to our thread killers tribe
Of course, with the number of post you have, we'll all have to ignore you :LOL

nothing more to say I guess :
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Count me in! We have a TV in our house so husband can watch CNN in the morning in our bedroom as he gets ready to go to work. We both watch bits and pieces of Sunday Morning on CBS. Apart from that, no TV watching whatsoever. None for my kids and none for me (apart from the hour on Sundays). My children will NEVER be parked in front of the TV. Never ever.

Life is just too damn interesting.
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I am just busy crazy busy and then this morning DS started projectile vomiting...
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In regards to the Amish, I can't help but feel that there IS a certain amount of exploitation- maybe not that the Amish are unknowingly being manipulated (that I wouldn't know), but that people tend to see the Amish not as everyday people, but as some sort of living relic- people who don't live in this world. I feel on some level people want to "see inside their lives" because they want to say "how do they live like that? I could never go without _____. They're nuts!". And that's just not nice- to create a show focusing on a group of people who feel strongly about their beliefs, live in peace, and care about their community and families just so that we can say how weird/naieve/silly/whatever they are. It seems to be a theme with portrayal of the Amish (like that stupid Woody Harrelson movie, or the even stupider Kirstie Allen movie) and that their lifestyle is fair game for our amusement. They deserve us to be respectful of their culture and to be treated as another diverse facet of American life- just like the rest of us.

And about people who defend tv so enthusiastically because they know deep down that it's not healthy... I think you're right on the money. I think, also, there might be some of the following mixed in there: 1.) They feel they can't go without it for whatever reason (addicted, they use it to avoid relationships or quiet time alone, they are afraid of parenting without it, whatever) and my husband thinks...2.) That people have warm, fuzzy memories of tv as kids (I mean, all these nostagia toys like Care Bears and Rainbow Brite that are all over the toy stores were tv shows when we were kids!) and denying that is like when we tell people we don't have Santa Claus becuase we're Jewish... they think our child is missing something that was such a big part of their childhood memories and they can't think or imagine beyond not having it (of course, tv free kids have memories of other things besides tv shows and Jewish kids have just as rich and meaningful holidays as Christmas, just different!).

Wow- both ideas really stem from a central issue of repect of diversity, lacking both in TV programing as well as people who cruisade for it... Ironically, it seems that tv makes it even harder to put ourselves into someone elses shoes... interesting... never thought about it that way!
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I highly recommend reading Born to Buy. It really reinforced my decision to have a TV free house. Nickalodean is just one big commercial trying to sell your child something and PBS isn't too far behind these days. Commercialism leads to depression and children who watch TV are much more into commercialism.

I think the nostaglia thing is the hardest bit to overcome. I very fondly remember watching Speed Racer and Scooby Doo so it is hard not to share that with the kids. As they get older, I will consider buying some of these on DVD to watch as a special treat for me and them!
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I posted my story here a while back, and have been happily lurking ever since...

I recently returned from a week-long stay with tv-addicted relatives. I took my dds (ages 3 1/2 and 9 mo.) to visit while dh was on a business trip. It went amazingly well. We stayed with my grandparents the first few days. Right after we arrived dd1 went with my grandma to play in the den. She always keeps the local access channel with agricultural/news radio and announcements on a blue screen turned on both of the televisions when she's home. (Yes, I grew up on a farm out West...) I went to settle in the baby and unpack, and when I came back 15 min. later, Grandma told me that dd1 had asked her to 'turn it off!' so she could play. After that, the den tv was off. Period.

In fact, there was only one little sneak (Grandma is always commenting on how wonderful disneymovieX is... and wanting to watch with dd1.). I asked Grandma to wind down dd1 while I put the baby to bed. After a couple of stories, she took dd1 to the living room and showed her a home video of a bluegrass family band she and Grandpa had heard play. She knows I'm a sucker for a good fiddler. We all sat and listened for about 5 min. before I took dd to bed. I wasn't upset, of course. A home video of real people playing real music is not offensive to me in the same way a 'children's movie' would have been.

I just thought how much nicer it would have been if she'd asked Grandpa to play his guitar, sitting out on its stand by his chair, for her. A real person she loves playing real music just for her. Even if its not 'professional' quality.

Dh has also mentioned cutting back on canned music at home. He plays guitar and has difficulty convincing dd1 to listen to him instead of cds sometimes. I've also noticed dd1 turns off the music (or asks me to) when she starts her imaginative play now about 80% of the time. So now I'm wondering... are any of you tv-free mamas totally media-free? No radio/tv/movies/recorded music/internet for children?

Enough of this midnight ramble... I'm gonna hit the sack.

Btw, I this thread...
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klondikesky - loved your post

We are absolutely internet free for ds, and come to think of it, radio free. TV free, of course. We have started the occasional "movie" night, but so far have only done it once. Recorded music - DS enjoys it, but what he does is try to imitate it after listening to it (or he sings along when it is on) - actually we usually do not have recorded music playing bc ds is usually the "musician" and I am the "listener". He plays drums, guitar (ukelele), piano, or whatever. Plus he sings and knows lots of songs by heart, but often improvises with the words and tune and rhythm.

So, for the most part, we are media-free. It's great!
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We are creeping towards being radio-free now that dd1 is almost 4 and starting to understand some of the newsstories. I'm a recovering talk radio junkie (Chicago Public Radio rocks! btw...

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:LOL

I am missing NPR myself... given that the news is full of so many war stories etc., I just don't want it on while DS is around/awake - I know he listens bc he starts asking questions about what they are saying.
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We're TV free.

We are certainly not radio free. We listen to the radio allll the time. That does bother me What makes me feel better is that we listen to BBC Radio 4 so it's intellectual stuff (!), no adverts because of the TV license system etc etc
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My girls are radio free also. I only play broadcast radio in the car when I am alone, never for the girls. I find that there is too much inappropriate talk on most stations. When I listen to the radio, I switch around a lot b/c I do not like to listen to ads or just 'talk', I listen for the music. I play my ipod a lot. I do not play the radio in the house, I can't stand the noise from the ads and the 'talk'.

I do play cds in the house some evenings while I cook dinner, it's mostly latin music, I love it and it gets me going, picks me up. The girls dance while I cook. DH loves to watch the scene, especially when I give the girls Salsa lessons!
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Interesting question...

(Hey, folks, I haven't been around in a Looooong time -- but I'm back!)

We have been TV free for a long time -- me, almost entirely since 1984 and my husband for 4 years. At one point shortly after we got married, I asked him "So, should be get a TV?" He thought about it, and asked me "Um, OK, but when would we have time to watch it?" Point made. No TV. Then Jack was born and I was very, very glad not to have gotten a TV.

Anyway, that said, we are not raising Jack entirely without media. We have no television, and we don't watch videos, either. But we play music for him constantly -- both western classical and world music. We listen to NPR (news, jazz, blues, and classical music) or the BBC sometimes. Each of us has a computer. My husband and I use ours for e-mail and research. Jack only has one software program -- BabyWow -- and he has access to that whenever he wants. He sometimes spends most of a day playing it, but then will go months without looking at it. I would consider adding another software package to his computer if i could find one I thought was acceptable. (No marketing crossovers, no animations, no characters.) Haven't so far, so honey and I are writing some 'games' for him.

I am ambivalent about the baby having a computer, but while he went out and bought the computer, my honey is being very, very good about what sort of attractive nuisance we allow it to become. He hasn't gone out and bought "popular" commercial software for it so that there isn't a lot of variety to make it more enticing. And we put the computer away, at my honey's suggestion, when it came to dominate too mcuh of Jack's time.

I'm not ambivalent about the music or the radio. Those i consider a good thing.
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As long as they are not listening to commercials I have no problem with the radio...especially CD's. We listen to music all the time. We really only listen to the radio in the car because I can quickly turn the station if a commercial comes on. I don't see any problem at all with listening to tapes and CD's. I don't see it as harmful in any way. If anything we feel very enriched by it. We're all really into singing and dancing and it helps us get more active.

The computer I don't feel is nearly as bad as TV but still something I'd like to avoid for the most part wtih the kids. I let my older ds use it to learn to type and even email people sometimes. I definitely don't take issue with the computer as much as the TV. It's not so fast paced, you actually have to think and partake, and generally the advertising is toned down (except at Mothering - don't really mind if they catch those ads though anyway). Still, he uses it rarely. He'd rather read a book or climb a tree anyway. My kids, when encountered with children's television will actually be semi-intrigued, laugh a little and then walk off irritated and say "This is boring!" :LOL (That's the only time they ever use the word boring. )
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Well, we are tv free, my child doesn't use the computer except turning it off for me, and I rarely listen to public radio music, but I do have CD's -and wish I didn't.

But one of my most beautiful memories of childhood is of listening to music. We lived on a small sort of homestead, no TV, no radio, (no computer, of course, then), no nearby families, way out in the country. In the evening, the sunset would illuminate the entire sky above the mountain opposite our sky. My father loved classical music, so my brother's and my only allowance was a classical music record once a month for each of us. He spent alot of time and research picking them out, and when they came in the mail (the only thing we ever received in the mail in our anti-commercialism family), he would carefully -so as not to scratch it - place the record in the record player and seat us on his lap where we would listen to it breathlessly(with the lights off if it was night). The incredibly lovely and moving songs, the delicate, lyrical flute music, the joyful Renessance dance music, I can still remember and hear it now in my soul 35 years later. I would wrap a sheet around me and become a butterfly, dancing with Chopin's piano music; later I continued dancing outside on the green mountain hearing in my mind the notes of the music. When it rained and my mother called "dinnertime", I would delightedly run to play "The Water Music" (Handel?) to grace our family meal. At dusk, watching the immense sunset above the opposite mountain, sunset that seemed a momentous curtain to the day and reminder of the inevitable curtain of death...watching, the pails of feed and water for the goats that I was holding forgotten, I would hear echoing in my ears the incredibly gorgeous and haunting German Christmas music...

Music is one of the most beautiful memeories of my childhood. Later, in the chaos of postdivorce life, these living images of beauty from my childhood were like a fixed harbour inside for my soul, a source of faith in what life could be.

Yet, Waldorf recomends that children have NO media exposure. Some of it is due (Well, I'll probably get this all wrong...) to receiving impressions through the entire body - not just the ears. Though I can't explain the theory very well, I intuitevely agree. Moreover, I have never liked CD's as much as records - something essential and stirring to the soul seems to be missing. Just recently, I read that CD's actually leave out some of the things on the spectrum of music that records include. I did notice that my child seems much more affected by records than cd's. And that he was teaching himself music alot more than now when he has recently started listening to The Nutcracker and Sleeping Beauty almost nonstop, it seems. Don't know if that's just a rhythm of unschooling and he'll go back to making music, or the easy consumer addiction of music. Also, live music is something being created, you too can do that if you study like the performer did; recorded music is something consumed, and seems as if you can't do that. Recorded music is inevitably distorted sound. The most beautiful is live music without loudspeakers - so difficult to find.

But when I do, I inevitably remember a story by Gorky, an beautiful image where all the local peasants and poverty stricken country people gathered in a tavern at dusk are - always - deeply, soul-stirringly moved by the mysterious longings in their heart the musician calls forth.
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beautiful post, Kira
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I feel like I am perpetually behind here! back when you were talking about just tv free we were "tv limited" (although, always been TV free for DD). Now that we've made the transition over to tv free, y'all are talking about *radio free*?!



Anyway, we tuned out all the channels on our tv in early May and haven't watched anything network-y since then. Dh and I were planning on just watching netflix movies after dd went to bed, but in 3 weeks we haven't managed to watch one! Once dd goes to bed we never feel like plopping in front of the TV! So, I am seriously considering cancelling netflix, at least until winter.

The transition to TV free was hard for us. We had maybe 3 days of feeling bored, bored, bored. I really feel like it was beating an addiction, because it didn't make sense. I knew I had about 12,000 other things I could do but I just yearned to watch TV. Then, after 3 days I haven't looked back. I don't miss it one bit, in fact it feels nice not to get all fired up and disgusted with the state of the world all the time. (The commercial do that to me.)

We do listen to the radio alot though. We have XM and I try to stick to the channels without commercials. Right now the kids are listening to the Frank Sinatra channel and drawing pictures (dd is 18 months and the girl I watch is 4yo).

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> I feel like I am perpetually behind here! back when you were talking about
> just tv free we were "tv limited" (although, always been TV free for DD).
> Now that we've made the transition over to tv free, y'all are talking about
> *radio free*?!

Don't worry, Attila, I won't be going radio or computer free any time soon.
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We attempt to be tv-free with the children, though dh does watch when they go to bed. But I wanted to comment on something I read a while back that has been haunting me.

It was something like, "Turn off the tube and get a life." It got me thinking of how we (as a culture) tend to watch life being lived rather than trying to live it ourselves. I know this is not a novel thought for this crowd, but here's the turn my mind took... What about fiction books? How is tv truely different than fiction in that respect? I read fiction all the time and work hard to instill a love for reading (for pleasure) in my children. But I find myself now realizing that I am reading about life instead of living it.

I understand that this is only one reason to give up tv, but I am just wondering if it is in your list of reasons, how do you feel about fiction reading? If you think it is different, why?

I want to clarify that I do understand that reading is preferable to tv for the myriad of other reasons we give it up (commercialism, mind-numbing tube vs. mind-engaging reading, etc) but I am just talking about the aspect where tv takes the place of real life, since it seems in my life reading does the same.
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Just sub-ing to this thread as I have ?? to ask but as I am nak-ing I don't have the freedom to post out my thoughts
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Thankyou, Urban Planter.

Laralou, I've often wondered the same thing. I've always been an avid reader. Over a decade ago, I got my first accupuncture appointment (and bitter herbs). The man was amazing. I transcended... The next morning, I woke up in my tiny one room home in San Francisco, the small floor as always strewn with many "being read" fascinating books, and I sat up and felt...perfect stillness. As a restless person, that was amazing. Even more amazing, was that I felt as if I knew everything. All the answers I could feel inside me. And I didn't need to read! Reading seemed something that pulled one away from the Unity within oneself, a Unity that encompassed all answers and more - like reading was trying to understand the world by obsessively examining one broken piece of an infinite jigsaw puzzle rather than just looking at the unbroken picture within oneself and comprehending in less than an instant!

Alas, unfortunately as the months passed, it didn't last. I returned to the dusty world of illusion, books, ect... But now I see books as partly an addiction (at least in my case). Though I've also come to see them at the same time as something that gives me genuine pleasure in my unenlightened state.

I watch my son now, taking off in reading, reading all the time he's not listening to The Nutcracker - reading nonstop, it seems. And I know he changed in deep ways from being a nonreading child to reading one. Before, my slinged baby and child never missed anything anywhere. He saw everyone in the streets, was aware of everything that happened, ect...To spacy me, it was amazing. Now, he reads every sign - every sign, but isn't nearly so aware of streetlife.... How I wish he hadn't learned to read so fast! Waldorf says do not hurry your child in reading, and I know now what they mean. (I didn't hurry or teach him, and kept trying to keep others from teaching him). Moreover, he doesn't play as much and as creatively as before, it seems - he relies on reading to fill his time...

In an anthropology class, I remember someone wrote, vaguely paraphrased: " Cultures without writing are very connected. The oral stories are passed down verbatum from one generation to another [Is that why little children correct you if you misread one word of a bedtime story? That is what we are all capable of till we lose it through reading?] The people live their lives, talk, ect... We, in the written world, remain lonely, reading words from people we will never meet or touch, and when we die, alone, forsaken in our old age, we leave under our beds dusty boxes of letters and lives unlived...." Well, the writer wrote it much better.

I remember too how much my mother read when I was a child, and how much I wanted her to stop reading and BE with me. When my cat died, she was sorry and pulled me in bed with her, and held me absent-mindedly while she continued reading her book. I felt so forsaken...

I notice a similar thing with the computer now. It's so easy spend alot of time on it, and in the meantime, my child wants me to play with him....

Before reading your post, Laralou, I was thinking of suggesting a little media "fast" for a week. No tv, movies, radio, cd's computer, or books. We would have to tell stories to children, ect... I thought it would be fun if we did it together - and then we could talk about it afterwards. Than when I read your post, I thought, yes, suggest a media "fast".

I can't imagine living without books - and my child now would never agree! - but maybe in little doses, it could be a reviving activity... So, is anyone up for that? One week of no media, anyone?
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... But I wanted to comment on something I read a while back that has been haunting me.

It was something like, "Turn off the tube and get a life." It got me thinking of how we (as a culture) tend to watch life being lived rather than trying to live it ourselves. I know this is not a novel thought for this crowd, but here's the turn my mind took... What about fiction books? How is tv truely different than fiction in that respect? I read fiction all the time and work hard to instill a love for reading (for pleasure) in my children. But I find myself now realizing that I am reading about life instead of living it.

I understand that this is only one reason to give up tv, but I am just wondering if it is in your list of reasons, how do you feel about fiction reading? If you think it is different, why? ...
I was grumbling on another thread where I posted an answer to a question I think is similar. http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...on#post2090372
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In general, most people when discussing a book, whether or not they have studied critical theory and literature, will discuss lots of stuff about the book they have read, NOT just the plot points. I have had lots and lots of conversations that were about stuff someone had read. AND, invariably, talking about one book (plot, plot development, characterizations, language use, writing style, mood, etc.) has lead to bringing in other books as comparisons or contrasts or sources of further discussion of similar ideas. (Kinda like how Native Son lead to Everything But the Burden which lead to James Alan McPherson's short stories which lead to Indigo, Sasssafrass & Cypress which lead to Their Eyes Were Watching God which lead to .... well, you get the idea. And I wasn't discussing this in a literature class. I was on the bus with a friend discussing racism which started from a report in the newspaper.)

On the other hand, discussions about television shows that I have overheard (as I cannot take part in them, even if I'm part of the group, I can only say "overheard") have generally centered around plot points and how much a particular character is liked or disliked and how dishy or not an actor is.

I really think that is a very different conversation.
And later on that thread, chellemarie said
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Kira, once again, your post is beautiful and poetic. I aspire to be as you describe
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I can't imagine living without books - and my child now would never agree! - but maybe in little doses, it could be a reviving activity... So, is anyone up for that? One week of no media, anyone?
We can do this fairly easily. I used to wonder if I was being lazy by not putting on the radio or CD's or records or tapes for my DS to listen to... but then when I realized that we were constantly making our own noise and entertainment, the media sounds became at least tertiary to our acoustical needs or desires.

If we were to engage in a media-free week, the more difficult obstacles would be media which we encounter in the public realm, and, most especially, books.

Books for (not just) us are a benchmark for discussion and imagination. We don't just read them. We ponder them. We soliloquize about them. Storytime is a great opportunity to broaden our imagination.

OTOH, I often find myself editing what we read. I'm often surprised and shocked by the content of many children's books.

DS has reached a point in his childhood where he can make up stories. It's great fun. So we can tell each other stories, or do a lot of related imaginary play.

I wonder how he would react to a "book-free" week. I've always had this ingrained sense that books were very important and reading was integral to ... what... success? intelligence? fulfillment? entertainment? (now I want to know - why is reading so important?)
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Hi Mamas! I'm generally a lurker on this thread, but now I need help. I'm sorry to interrupt the radio-free discussion (which I might add we are becoming radio-CD limited, do mostly singing ourselves; although I love those NPR moments when DD is asleep!) Here is our situation--> We were TV limited over the last 5 or so years and since DD has been born (now 21 mo) we are TV free and I have to agree with everyone, we love it! With that said, we are running into an issue and I don't know if it is exhaustation or what but I'm not coming up with any answers. Here is the dilemma --> DD was a preemie and has been seeing eye doctors since birth. We started patching her left eye when she was about 10mo old to strengthen her right eye....needles to say putting a patch over a babe/toddlers "good eye" is not an easy thing to do (or keep on). We are now onto eye glasses which I have to say is easier than the actual patch. BUT, the doc wants us to patch an hour a day with the eye glasses on : I don't know if you could imagine this, but it goes from a funny battle to get her to keep her patch on to a not-so-funny battle to out-right frustration!! Some days are better than others, we can go to the park or what not. I could do the patch for an hour a day, but the patch/eye glass combination is just too much for me...I give up, I surrend,...why fight her so much?? The problem is...dd will be in daycare 3 days a week starting soon and they won't be able to do this for her...so the days she is with me are even more important for her eye development...so you are probably wondering how this relates to TV.....3 parents that I've spoken to about this who go through it themselves, when I ask them how do they do it...they say "TV" , "a video"...."TV and candy"..... Please give me some ideas, please tell me that fighting with my 21 mo. old about her patch is better than letting her watch a movie...I'm just exhausted and don't know where to go from here.
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Thanks, Kira, sohj, and UP for answering. It is interesting to hear your thoughts. Kira, I know just what you are talking about. I have a long habit of losing myself in books and lately it feels almost like a drug habit to numb the real world. I struggle with wanting my children to have a deep love of reading and wanting them to experience life. You have given me much food for thought.
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