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So 16 mo. ds has his 1st stomach bug. He has vomited up every drop of liquids for the last 18 hours. Unfortunately, my stbx INSISTED on keeping our visitation schedule instead of letting me take care of ds today, so I dont know much about his urine output. I do know he had diarrhea with me this am before stbx took him, and had a couple of loose bm's while he was with stbx. His diapers certainly arent as wet as they should be. He wouldnt keep down any fluids with stbx except .5 cup of water right before I picked him at 6pm. After I brougt him home tonight about 3 hours ago, he nursed, munched some dry Cheerios, nursed again, then slept. He just woke up and vomited a HUGE amount of liquid (I'm assuming the water he drank at his dad's, plus his breastmilk). I managed to get him to sip a bit of seltzer water and he laid back down after comfort nursing for less than a minute.

I have some Pedialyte. He isnt keeping down breastmilk, so I'm thinking that when he wakes next to vomit, I should do the Pedialyte thing? And what if he wont keep that down? Maybe I should wake him to drink the Pedialyte, so he can go back to sleep and maybe have an opportunity to absorb into his system? He feels very warm, though axillary temp is only 79.9.

I feel so bad for him. And me. I reek of puke. Any advice would help me feel better
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I would give both pedialyte/breastmilk. Just offer both, they're the best things for him to drink if he's vomiting. Consider making ice cubes (of water/bm/pedialyte) too. My dd has liked those best when she's sick.

I wouldn't wake him. And gosh, those first sicknesses are terrifying. . . hope it's over fast.
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I don't know of any reason he'd keep the pedialyte down better than breastmilk unless you think the problem is mainly one of him drinking too much too fast. Breastmilk's a lot gentler on the body than pedialyte, but it can be hard to slow down a kiddo when they're nursing (okay, I have no idea how I'd actually do it). I think, as long as I could deal with the vomit (we do layers of blankets/towels so that the top can be pulled off and there's another ready underneath, multiple times), and as long as the dehydration wasn't getting too bad, I'd stick with breastmilk. If push came to shove and breastmilk wasn't staying down and I was at the point of needing to see if I could avoid a drive to the hospital for rehydration, I'd do pedialyte in very small amounts, 1-2 teaspoons every 10 or 15 minutes (though if I had a pump, I'd actually do this with breastmilk instead). I know the askdrsears.com website has reasonable-sounding guidelines for determining dehydration in infants, I haven't checked for toddlers.

And fwiw, my kids seem to get better faster if, when they're running fevers, I put a blanket or two on them and let them push them off if they get too hot. Recently I was sick, had quite the fever, but I actually felt better bundled under a couple blankets, and it worked for me too.
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Thanks! My natural instinct is to nurse, nurse, nurse. But I do think he's gulping too fast/filling his tummy too full. And because he spent about 8-9 hours away from me, the milk production is at full volume, and I cant slow him down once he starts! Thats why I'm considering the Pediayte. Ive never had to use it before, and I think its kind of gross, but I want to avoid dehydration. One main reason - its snowing/freezing rain right now, and I would hate a slippery drive to the hospital!

All of this compounded by the fact that I'm staying with family, and its not my own mattress/sheets/towels, etc that he's vomiting all over, plus they retire early, and I keep waking them because of my clean-up process, his crying whenever he wakes, etc. So, yes, I'm really trying to limit the amount of liquid coming up, mostly because I dont want them grumpy at me about all their soiled linens, mattress, etc. This sucks!
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I would rest his stomach for several hours (nothing by mouth.) And then nurse for one minute, wait 30 minutes and if he doesn't vomit let him nurse one minute more. If he keeps that down, try longer periods.

Stomach bugs are the WORST. I'm so sorry your lO is sick.
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my feeling always is--- at least when she's barfing breastmilk it doesn't cost me anything--that pedialyte is expensive, ya? When mine has had bugs in the past--a few times now---they burn out in a couple of days. She almost always steps up nursing during that time, and returns to normal quickly.
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I would rest his stomach for several hours (nothing by mouth.) And then nurse for one minute, wait 30 minutes and if he doesn't vomit let him nurse one minute more. If he keeps that down, try longer periods.

Stomach bugs are the WORST. I'm so sorry your lO is sick.
I agree with this to some extent, but he wakes every 1-2 hours and immediately vomits. Then he's thirsty, reaching for the water bottle, pulling on me, asking to nurse. I cant not nurse or give him fluids when he's obviously in need. And if I pull away while he's nursing, its just absolute and utter devastation from him.

He just woke up again and his vomit was bright green
He took a sip of the Pedialyte, then looked at me like WTH? We nursed instead. He's asleep again, but I can hear his tummy rumbling, so its only a matter of time before he wakes and vomits again. Its going to be a long night.
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my feeling always is--- at least when she's barfing breastmilk it doesn't cost me anything--that pedialyte is expensive, ya?


Ya, indeed. lol
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My daughter has the bug right now..and it sucks. Poor thing is so hungry, but sh etoo cannot keep anything down. I walk around the house holding her and a towel. One year, my son (4) had 6 out of the 7 flus that were out and about (according to the doctor), I decided that I would give him cool chamomile tea with a touch of suger becuase he (and now lillian) just throw the pedialyte right back up. Chamomile makes our tummy feel better, so why not theirs. I also broke down and use a little 7-up (for Liam, he was alomst 2 yrs. and the time, and my pediatrician basically said whatever he will keep down) and that seemed to help as well.

It doesn't hurt to try ( I know my grandmother sure was proud of me using chamomile tea) I have been using it with Lillian and it seems to stay down. She has puked since 5:00 pm!
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If he's keeping breastmilk down for an hour or so, it's going to do him a LOT of good That's great!

Hope the night looks up soon!

Puke bugs are the worst.

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I would rest his stomach for several hours (nothing by mouth.) And then nurse for one minute, wait 30 minutes and if he doesn't vomit let him nurse one minute more. If he keeps that down, try longer periods.

Stomach bugs are the WORST. I'm so sorry your lO is sick.
That.

And we never use Pedialyte. We make our own (call it "sports drink") with RO water, sea salt, and honey.
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How's he doing SFS?

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Why would his throw up be green with just bm that would freak me that $%(# out :

I never did the pedialyte just nursed mine with tummy bugs.

 
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Why would his throw up be green with just bm that would freak me that $%(# out :

I never did the pedialyte just nursed mine with tummy bugs.
Because he's vomiting bile. Really, as hard as it is to say "no" the best thing is to rest the stomach and give nothing by mouth for several hours and then start again very, very slowly. It's hard. But it works.
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I'd also wonder what exactly STBX had fed the child. Maybe he gave the LO a green beverage, such as gatorade?

If the child IS vomiting bile, I'd pump, then feed the child about a tablespoon of breastmilk at a time. Or maybe pump then let the child nurse on an "empty" breast. The key here is to limit the volume of fluid he's getting until his stomach heals a bit.

The only time I've ever offered a nursing child pedialyte is when the child was past the worst of the vomiting, and needed more fluids than he or she could get from breastmilk alone. This was generally with an older child who was eating quite a few solids (plus drinking lots of water) when healthy.

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Yeah, I tried the Pedialyte, and he was like, "are you kidding?" I nursed him whenever he woke, and a couple hours later he would vomit, but Cest La Vie. I haven't tried he Pedialyte since, though I might freeze sme later for him to suck on. I just posted a new thred regarding sugar intake -seems he'll keep down sugary popsicles (yuck). But it might maintain his liquids, so ...that might be my ticket for now.

And some Junior Mints seem to calm things down so he could nurse and not promptly barf.

I called stbx this am to let him know how ds was, and when I told hm about the neon green vomit, he didnt offer any info, so it was probably just bile. Did a number on the sheets, though. My dad's girlfriend is going to LOVE that!
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If he's not vomting for a few HOURS after nursing, then go ahead and nurse him without restraint. Why was I getting the impression that he'd nurse and then vomit within minutes?

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oh my poor little thing. the green part just sounds like bile..nothing left for him to vomit up. nurse nurse nurse. eventually he will hold it down. my son had his first tummy bug at around 8 months old and he would nurse, sit up...vomit, lay back down, fall asleep, nurse, sit up, vomit....and it went like that for hours until finally he did nurse and keep it down. you can't force the poor things to drink pedialyte. it takes rather nasty actually.

all these people with the vomiting bugs.....I feel for everyone and hope that this all fades fast. I certainly don't want it either....

good luck.
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Breastmilk digests quickly, so if he is keeping it down at all he is getting something out of it.

When DD had the puke germ recently before the vomiting stopped, I'd offer her a tiny amount of breastmilk or a sip of water only, then wait 30 mins and offer the same small amount again. Not easy to stop her breastfeeding but had to do it.

I also kept her more upright for sleeping (propped up on me and pillows), seemed to help and definitely made it easier for me to contain the puke. Poor baby, hope he feels better soon!
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