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Yikes. That is quite a high potency with extremely frequent repetition. Even as a constitutional, that amount of repetition is almost unheard of in that potency. As a specific for teeth, it's, well, just be careful with that. Watch for proving symptoms.
as I'm learning more myself about homeopathy, that's what triggered the "hmmm?" She has always done dosing similar to that and I've never followed her directions, b/c it felt too much like popping "regular" pills. I think I will ask her about her methods next time we are in.

Now, I feel a little guilty, b/c I wanted to trust she knew what she was doing and I've given him 3 doses (won't give him anymore!) Is there anything I can do to help that?

I'm going to see if I can get the cell salts.

Thank your for sharing your opinions!
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Thank you Pat for this link I think I've figured out why she gave DS such a high remedy to take so frequently. (on the bottom of the page under dosage guidelines )
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Thank you Pat for this link I think I've figured out why she gave DS such a high remedy to take so frequently. (on the bottom of the page under dosage guidelines )
Wait- but that only goes up to 200X. And you're dealing with 200C, right? I didn't know there was a 200X, so maybe that's a typo... but once a day sure seems like a lot for 200C!!!

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Wait- but that only goes up to 200X. And you're dealing with 200C, right? I didn't know there was a 200X, so maybe that's a typo... but once a day sure seems like a lot for 200C!!!
Very true...I didn't even notice that! I've never heard of "x" either, so I wonder if it's the same too.

If it is the same thing it does say that 200 should be given once a day.

I've stopped the daily dose for now, will give it once a week maybe, until I can see her when we are back from vacation so that I can understand more.

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Ok, I'm just so far behind with reading; but, 200X is NOT the same as 200C.

I would NOT give 200C daily. Neveryoumindthere took that daily, times three days, and about put herself in the hospital, literally. But, she is doing amazingly now. But, daily, long term with 200C is not ok, imo. My understanding is that the eastern Indian dosing is heavy and hard like that. But, I would not take it that way, nor give it to my child that way.

200X is a totally different Dose. I don't understand the dosing frequency on it. PB will need to chime in about that.

200C is dosed as needed, not daily. And 'as needed' is like every 3-6 months, ime.

It sounds like a misunderstanding on the prescription dose.


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No, a 200X is not the same as 200C. X is indicative of a decimal scale whereas C is indicative of a centesimal scale. (the difference is being diluted 1:10 vs 1:100) The C is more dilute and therefore a higher potency. It's a deeper action.

I think it is a good idea to have a dialogue with your homeopath so you feel comfortable with treatment. Lower potencies to tend to have a shorter duration of action so you may see those given more frequently. However when you are going as high as 200C *the way I see it* is that you are not allowing the remedy to work to it's fullest potential. Each time you give it the new dose is interrupting the previous dose, stopping it's action and starting up again. IN my training what that means is that it doesn't reach the depths it could if administered in a single dose.

Now, different practitioners have different styles so I'm not at all saying your practitioner is wrong....just that what she's doing doesn't seem to be classical. It's symptom based (which in and of itself isn't classical) and is employing the use of high potencies repetitively without evaluation in between-which is slightly unusual. But....she may have a different plan. I would just encourage communication. this is a relationship that needs to be built on trust. I know a few homeopaths that do some crazy arse prescribing, but have great luck! Perhaps this is what she has found works in her practice? Perhaps there was an indication that you are unaware of? I don't know. I would just hate for you to assume she's "wrong" and not engage in an attempt to clearly understand her methods.

If at that point you are unhappy-so be it. But give it a chance and keep the lines of communication open.
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eta - Learning more at this site don't know how accurate the source of info is, as I am just learning too
Some of their info made me twitch. There were also some inconsistencies I notices as I browsed. I dunno. Didn't seem like the best resource to me.


"DECIMAL - potency based on the ratio of 1 part substance to 10 parts dilution.
CENTESIMAL - potency based on the ratio of 1 part substance to 99 parts dilution.
MILLESIMAL - potency based on the ratio of 1 part substance to 1000 parts dilution."

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong.
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I double checked the vial - it actually says "200 ch" so is "ch" the same as "c"?

I really want to be able to trust my ND b/c I think that is vital in helping our healing, but now I feel so conflicted
I will definitely have a dialogue with her though - thank you for your input PB


Thanks for chiming in about that site too PB, deleting it.....
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I'm sure our dear barefoot will chime in here too....she's been doing this longer than I.

CH is still the centesimal scale, it just refers to the method by which it was prepared. That denotes it was the "hahnemannian method." As far as anyone's concerned it's the same thing. You may also at times see CK....same scale different method. It doesn't affect the dosing or potency at all.

I understand it can feel frustrating....I would just communicate with your practitioner and listen to your gut. ND's tend to practice homeopathy differently than homeopaths. Not all, you understand, but most. Most ND's get the same amount of training their entire scholastic career in homeopathy that homeopaths get in the first 6 months so there is a different understanding, and therefore use of the modality. They study many many things, where homeopaths are extremely focused on a specific method. That could be the big difference here.

Just to be clear, there are ND's that develop a passion for homeopathy and go on to study that intensively and in depth. That's a different story. Just saying there are many people that use it, and in many different ways. So, it would be good to get more info on the reason behind the treatment.
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Thanks again everyone - I'm learning so much.
I really appreciate it
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I've not heard of that guy or that site before. It looks like he sells only x potencies? I just looked at it briefly, but I'm fairly certain I wouldn't trust the info there either.

Yes, an X is MUCH different than a C.

Not much more to add, PB covered everything nicely. Bummer. I really felt like talking homeopathy!

Don't be afraid to talk to your ND honestly springmum. You are the one paying the bill and we are talking about your health and your family's health, not theirs.
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Hi all,
My son and I have just started a new constitutional remedy, and my 9 yr old is getting eaten like crazy by the bugs. I actually this morning was wondering whether he had chicken pox, but I think they really are bug bites, and they've been accummulating over the past few days. He has about 2o bites in one spot on his face and neck alone. Tons on his legs and around his waist too. He is so itchy.

What can I do to prevent and treat bug bites while on a remedy? I have some Bitecare Gel by Boiron that has echinacea, ledum, and calendula in a gel base. That seems to help a little bit. But what about keeping the bugs away in the first place? All the home remedies have essential oils that we are supposed to be avoiding.

Do you think that Avon Skin So Soft is okay? Woodland fragrance works pretty well, but I don't know if that counters the remedy or not.

He is so itchy, poor guy, because he practically lives outside right now.

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I recently have been using cell salts for teeth - three different ones that were recommended here.

I am dissolving one of each in about 4 oz of water. I then give about a tablespoon to each of us, three times a day. All three of us have lactose/casein problems.

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is that enough water and pellets?
I'm still concerned about lactose, should/can this be diluted more?
I'm hiding the tablespoon in fresh juice for me three year old, because he is suspicious of all supplements at the moment, even if it is just water on a spoon. Can you use juice in cell salts the same way you can with homeopathy remedies?
should I mix/hit the diluted salts each time? (I forget the homeopathic wording for that.)

My youngest has some bumps on his elbow. I am wondering if it is the cell salts, but am not sure yet.

Children deserve the respect of puzzling it out.
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Which salts are you using?

I can only give you *my* answer here. Firstly the dosage is really 4 tablets 3 to 4 times a day per person so in terms of substance you aren't getting enough based on what you are writing to see dramatic changes. However I do understand your concern with the lactose. You will have to see what your collective threshold is.

Secondly, homeopathics really shouldn't be placed in juice but I do understand that there are those that advocate this. That isn't my training but I would say it's better than nothing. That said the tissue salts aren't homeopathic and there's no real reason I can see that they wouldn't be fine in a carrier. Many people do like putting them in water, and I have had several people have great results doing just that.

Thirdly, no. You do not need to succuss them. They are not homeopathic. They are diluted, but not potentized. You can simply take them.

I wish I could help with the elbow action. I'm sorry! Those are my responses and the way I would handle them. Best of luck!
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We are using cal phos, silicea, cal fluor.
I just pendulum tested and cal phos and silica came back as strong "no" and cal fluor as a strong "yes".
We are going to be with my inlaws for three weeks starting this weekend. I think I am going to hold off using these until after. I don't want an added stress either to their bodies or my mind. It is stressful enough (although we do truly have a lovely time with them.)
Afterwards I think I will try the cal fluor by itself and really try. I know it will expose them to lactose, but fillings will expose them to much more.

I just got hair analysis back for both boys yesterday. They make the cutler counting rules, and show hypothyroid and AF, plus a couple of other things. I don't want to add any more to their load with tooth fillings.

I can get my oldest to do some oil pulling. I can't get my 3 year old to do anything. (although he will eat anything in an ice pop )

My mind and heart kind of feels like they are exploding.

Do you think cal fluor will help on its own? What is the (very broad) timeline I need to be thinking about?

thanks so much PB and Barefoot mama. Being able to learn all of this is really empowering and comforting.

Children deserve the respect of puzzling it out.
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I wanted to update that I got the cell salts. I picked up the calc phos, calc flour, silicea.
I was really torn about what to get - the spray with ethanol, or the lactose based tablets (DS is dairy intolerant) In the end I went with the spray, b/c he has reacted to very minute amounts of dairy in the past. It still seems a little weird to give him something containing ethanol though..
I am going to give him 1 spray of each 4x a day.

He is still at the stage that he just has white spots on his teeth, so I'm hoping that this will help them to go away quickly as I focus on his diet, oral routine as well.

I'm going to our ND next week, I feel a little more informed now, so that we can have a good discussion.
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hmmm... I didn't even know they had a spray! I bought some silica ages ago, but have never gotten up the courage to give any to DD since she's so sensitive to dairy. Maybe I will have to check out the sprays too! Keep us posted how those work for you.

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Aaaah... never mind. After typing that I realized that the ethanol is probably made out of corn, so that would be just as bad for DD as lactose.

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You know, it was totally the lesser of two evils situation for me. Through muscle testing early on in DS's life, corn showed not good. I've never done a trial, just avoided to make things simple, & b/c there was a lot of mystery reactions (yeah like avoiding all corn products has been simple...not)

Dairy I saw clear reactions, so I guess I'm doing a trial of sorts. The need for keeping his teeth healthy is pushing this, and he's been doing fairly well lately so I should know pretty quickly if it's okay.

Sorry CS that both options are not good for you guys
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My DS tripped outside Tuesday evening and hit his head on the edge of the horizontal board going across our wood fence. He ended up needing 7 stitches on his forehead. I gave him a dose of arnica 30c on the way to urgent care and another before bed. Yesterday I gave him a dose in the morning and before bed. Today I did not see him before I left for work so he has not had anything today. I'm not sure if I should continue to give arnica (or another remedy) while the cut is healing. Should I continue for a few days? If so, how often should I dose? I'd like to try and minimize scarring.
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I would only personally give it if he was in pain. If he is, have at it. Arnica isn't necessarily going to do a whole lot for scarring IME. What I would do (again....this is me) is use a calendula wash on the site and once it's starting to scab use tamanu oil to reduce scarring. I'd also make certain he was getting adequate zinc and vitamin E in his diet for cellular repair and regeneration.
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Hi all,
Would hypnosis or deep relaxation states interfere with taking a homeopathic remedy?

I am doing a HypnoBirthing training right now and on the first day we did intro to hypnosis, and we just did these like really deep relaxation exercises, and I got very deeply into a meditative state, when suddenly I had this fear that doing that would interfere with my constitutional. Because it's like all energy work.

I just started my constitutional about a month ago and it has had some really positive effects.
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My answer would be no way. If anything it would benefit it. Or conversely, maybe you were able to go there because of it! But no, in my opinion there is no way it would interfere.
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Phew! I don't know why but for some reason I started to panic about that. I actually go into that state fairly easily, and during one of the exercises I was already feeling fairly deep into it, and she started saying something like, "now I am going to start counting down and you will go deeper and deeper" and I suddenly had that worry, and I thought, whoa, I am already fairly deep into it. So, great! Now I can go back tomorrow and not worry about it. Thank you!
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Thanks PB - he isn't in any pain so I won't give it to him again. I"ll follow your other suggestions.
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Pat, the 1/2 dram vials... are the remedies liquid or solid? I feel silly asking, but I'll do it anyway. And if you have any of their stuff on-hand, do you know anything about the sucrose/lactose issue for their stuff?
Yes, they use sucrose/lactose but I was assured there is not enough to cause a spike in the blood [a high] or to cause cavities, those were my 2 biggest issues. But just to be on the safe side, I spray Xylitol in my dd and ds's mouths 15 minutes before or after [sometimes I do both] taking a remedy.

The Xylitol inhibits any acids from sticking to their teeth and inhibits any spike in their blood.

An excellent website for education is http://www.elixirs.com/study.cfm.
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I am looking for information regarding cell salts for tooth decay.

Whenever I look into my boys' mouths I feel panicked. I just keep on focusing on other health issues, ignoring this one. I am ready to try the cell salts and see if they help. I also just bought Cure Tooth Decay book. I just don't want to put any chemicals into their mouths, so I need to get this fixed.

thanks.

I am also going to start searching here for info, but was having a tough time making the search function work.

We, my mom and I, have been using cell salts for about 30 mos for teeth issue with my DS. We're using 6X now but started out with 30X. My son had severe ECC and his ped dentist was looking to do $3400 worth of work in his mouth.

Fortunately for my son, there was about a year wait for an operating room in our local hospital to become available to do the surgery, so my mom started researching on the web what we could do while waiting.

She visited http://www.elixirs.com/study.cfm and got lots of ideas, plus she bought a book titled Your Vital Child by Mark & Angela Stengler. On pages 222-224 they talk about cavities. In particular on p.224 they recommend Kreosotum 30C - for teeth that are crumbling and/or decay easily. Give 2 pellets twice daily for 1 month.

We did as recommended and the crumbling stopped.

Then we began using the cell salts used for bone and teeth health:

Calcerea Phos 30X
Calcerea Fluor 30X
Nat Phos 30X
Silica 30X

We used this dosage for a year 3 times daily. We, or my mom was told by a homeopath that this dosage would not harm my son. It didn't. At the end of the year we cut the dosage down to 6X, and he is still on that now only once a day.

Only we've added Mag phos 6X.

We also used then, and continue to use Xylitol. We make toothpaste [twice daily he uses it], and a rinse [2 to 3 times daily]. We buy Emerald Forest Xylitol candies [they have purple -Grape- and brown - Licorice, my son loves them]; and gum. We also use Xylitol spray and tooth wipes and his decay has been arrested; all the 16 or so cavities have remineralised.

We did have one tooth extracted [he fell braking the root, it developed an abscess we could not get rid of] and 1 tooth filled [it had been a large cavity and though it had been stopped, he kept getting food into it, so...]. But at the age of 4 he is cavity free, his teeth are strong and healthy!!

You can do it too...
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Just read this thread. Great discussion! I've learned a lot.

A little background and some questions.

Our family MD also does homeopathy (and some other stuff, anthroposophical medicine for one) We've been patients in the practice since before I was pg with my first dd. Some remedies are hits and others are misses. Thats ok. I don't usually go back right away for the misses. The big issue we are dealing with though is my and my DD's ADHD (also anxiety and other issues for her) We've been attempting to deal with DD's issues for a few years now (she is 5). He almost always gives high potencies (200c and 1m together) with instructions to stir in water and sip over several hours. DD's got a high potency about a month ago that seemed to make her worse, more anxious. Then we tried a different one just a few days ago and she is much, much worse. She is very independent natured and was insisting that I tell her each color to use while coloring (for example) And today at the dentist she was very nervous and anxious. She loves her dentist and usually talks about the visits in between them and asks when she gets to go back again. I asked our Dr on Friday when I had my other DD in for an issue and he was confident that her bad reaction would be followed by a good reaction (like a pendulum swing) and said that we just need to ride it out and see what comes. None of you here have mentioned a bad reaction followed by a good one. I wish I could find a local classical homeopath. I really think that might make a big difference for her but there aren't any in my city.

Another question. My old Chiro that I love likes to use combo hopeopathic remedies. I know our Dr does not like those. Any thoughts on them?

Can homeopathy work on food sensitivities? I've been thinking about giving my dd's sulphur because their sulphication seems to not be working and it is causing them to have issues with phenols. Actually my 1 year old was just put on low potency sulphur for her diaper rash.

Is there any reason to not use homeopathics for an acute condition while also using them more like a constitutional? In other words, should I avoid other homeopathics right now while I let this latest remedy play out? (it was calc carb btw)

Thanks!

I could make a long list of the things that have been helped so quickly and thoroughly by the homeopathy for our family. The more I experience it and use it the more I trust it and turn to it.

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That's great it's worked so well for you. I will say that it's normal to see things get worse before they get better and calc carb is notorious for the anxiety and fears. That isn't a suprising "worse" before the "better." I would avoid other remedies at this time though and allow this one to complete it's action. I would DEFINITELY not use an acute remedy to mellow this one out. There are sometimes ways to make it less difficult-but I would allow your practitioner to take the reigns on this one. He seems to be comfortable with this aggravation. IF you aren't I would encourage communication.

I am not a big fan of combo remedies. But hey, they get people interested in homeopathy!

I use acutes all the time with "constitutionals."

Homeopathy *can* work to mellow out food sensitivities, however it's almost always better to remove the triggers so homeopathy can create a healing space. I believe that ingestion of an allergen can often stop a remedy from completing it's action.

I'm not so sure about sulfur working to open sulfation pathways. There are a few companies though that have remedies to help with and support detox, but they aren't at all classical.

HTH!
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He almost always gives high potencies (200c and 1m together) with instructions to stir in water and sip over several hours. DD's got a high potency about a month ago that seemed to make her worse, more anxious. Then we tried a different one just a few days ago and she is much, much worse.
Hang on. Just re-read this. He has you put a 200C and 1M together in water and sip repeatedly over the course of a few hours?

Incidentally what was the previous remedy she aggravated on? The current is calc carb, yes? What was the potency and how was is given?
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