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I have hachimotos (spelling i know) and my thyroid levels are mild hypo.

So is the iodine a good or bad idea? I read you should not take it with antibodies present.

 

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I'm curious to know if eating whole foods would be a more gentle detox and if it would make a difference for nursing moms or not too? And does anyone recommend a website that sells kelp that has been tested for metals and toxins? The health food stores in my area don't carry it. I'm still deciding exactly what I'll do since it's so complicated and I don't want to make things worse!

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So my appt with the nd went really well! She was already familiar with Dr's Abraham and Brownstein and agreed that iodine would be a good thing to try out!

So, where's the best place to get Iodoral online? (preferably with free shipping)

Sorry if that's been asked before...I don't have time to sift this awesome thread today and wanted to order right away...

I'm awaiting the arrival of the Iodine book as well--any day!:

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Danni, I've ordered from a couple different places, the last time was ebay, but I just look around for the best overall price, sometimes it's better buying 3 bottles than 1.

Chakra--have you ever read about selenium supplementation and thyroid antibody levels? There's at least one study out there that showed selenium supplementation lowered antibody levels, some of the people got down to the normal range, and they were using a moderate dosage, and not even a great form. l-selenomethionine or brazil nuts would both probably (IMO) be better. If you wanted to look into that before iodine (which I'm not very knowledgeable about).

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How much of an issue is this if you don't have mercury fillings?
Linguistmama, it's a little more nuanced than just whether you have amalgam fillings. Some of us with amalgam fillings have a lot of difficulty excreting the mercury that's released from the fillings, but other people do a whole lot better. And there are occasional people who've had an unusual route of exposure for one of several heavy metals and who accumulated a lot that way--not as typical, but not impossible. And that seems somewhat separate from people who've accumulated a lot of halides and who will have more difficulty with iodine. I have problems with the mercury, but for reasons I'm not completely clear on, I don't think I have a big halide problem. I didn't have any symptoms starting Iodoral, for instance, and I didn't know diddly-squat about supporting my detox pathways. So some of this is guess-and-check.
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Tanya-

My nd put me on selenium. I'm taking 200 mg (or mcg not sure which one) a day.

I'm just so worried about taking hormones. He gave me some thyroid meds that I have not taken yet.

I'm going to ask him about iodine when I see him in a couple weeks. I'm worried hes either not going to know much about it or say its bad...

Should I start some myself?

 

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On the salt flushes... Is there an explanation somewhere of what's going on in your body?

The salt water needs to be warm, right? Does it need to be water, or would broth work? And the water afterward, again, how important is it that it's water? How about herbal infusions instead?

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Tanya-

My nd put me on selenium. I'm taking 200 mg (or mcg not sure which one) a day.

I'm just so worried about taking hormones. He gave me some thyroid meds that I have not taken yet.

I'm going to ask him about iodine when I see him in a couple weeks. I'm worried hes either not going to know much about it or say its bad...

Should I start some myself?
If you've got somebody who listens well and seems knowledgeable about nutrients, I'd work with them. Ask his opinion, see what he thinks. Worst case, he knows less than you, in which case you can just do things on your own, but maybe he's thinking it's a good idea just a bit further down the line.
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So I got my iodoral on Monday (FAST shipping!) from breast cancer choices and am taking 12.5 mgs with no effect. I am also taking Nicole's list as well as some adrenal/ thyroid support and yeast stuff. What is the protocal for raising the dosage--like, how long would you wait to raise it if you aren't noticing any difference whatsoever?
And could somebody explain a salt flush? (and possibly how you actually ingest 1 1/2 teaspoons of salt a day?!?)

I finished Dr Brownstein's book today! Am wishing I had the thyroid one as well...

Are any of you supplementing your children? I am wondering if this wouldn't be good as my whole family (grandparents, aunts, cousins, mom, sisters, ect) all have thyroid issues as do I. I also have fibrocystic breast tissue as of November last year...

Thanks! So glad I hooked onto this thread!

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Just starting to read this, so much to get through. Thanks so much Jane.


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Yeah, I tend to research things to death too, but sometimes I get impatient and learn more by just doing. I've already decided that for us, iodine while nursing is a path I want to go down, and it's time to start down that path. So now I'm trying to figure out the details. I obviously want to do it as safely as possible, but haven't found anyone IRL that I can turn to. So I'm talking it out here (some people like to learn by example, right?)

Are you saying your approach is to put in place all the iodine support nutrients, then add iodine? How do I know if my pathways are supported enough? Can I just assume that since I know what the pathways are and what the nutrients are, I'll be able to support with if/when it comes up? How urgent of a thing is it? If it takes me a few days/a week/a month to realize that something is blocked, have I done major harm? I'm thinking my major toxin is bromine, and not mercury, if it matters.

If I start dd on the protocol before me so that she's better able to process the junk I throw at her, how long before are we talking? Should she be all the way on maintenance before I start? Is just a day or two long enough? I know it's all very individual, but I'm looking for a ballpark.
I am also still nursing my (almost) 1yoDD and 3yoDS and would hate to do anything that may not be good for them. From what I can gather though the iodine can only do them good, i am mainly worried about toxins going into the breastmilk. I have some amalgam fillings which I will remove once I stop nursing. My oldest DS has some learing issues and I plan to put him on iodine too as I read on Dr MErcola's site that this can help.
Who are the other nursing moms on here? How have you found your little ones reacting to this?

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Hey ladies!

My internet got shut off so I haven't been able to get on til today... YAY!!!:



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ok so today i upped my dose of the liquid dulse to 5 drops and immediately after drinking it i noticed a tingling sensation in my thyroid that lasted only a few seconds. Does that mean anything? I haven't noticed anything else different
Slowly upping your dose is what its all about, so go ahead and up it when you are ready to, one drop at a time, 2 drops, 10 drops, it's up to you. I began squirting it in each glass I drank during the day after a week or so of upping my drops.

When I first began taking the liquid dulse I too noticed this sort of tingling sensation in my throat (thyroid area) it felt as though it was getting a bit swollen, it worried me a bit but I knew I needed it so I pushed on, after a week or two (can't remember exactly) that feeling passed and it was smooth sailing.

I don't have an exact explanation as of yet but my own opinion on it is that your thyroid is searching for more iodine, it tends to swell when it needs more because it tries harder and harder to filter your blood to find more. That extra drop may have gotten your thyroid interested to see how much more it can get... like I said, it went away after a short time so no worries.

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I'm not nursing (my kids are 6 and 7) but, the fibrocystic breast disease started after they weaned 3 years ago and lasted continuously until, well, until I noticed it gone this morning
I am so happy for you! : My mom and sister have had the same experience and were both very pleased that they no longer had pain! Oh and neither of them have pain while on their period either!

I was very happy to have been able to drop a whole cup size! That was while I was bfing dd! Dropped the sixty pounds too with no dieting or exercising, seriously simple weightloss!

One other thing... My sister's asthma has decreased significantly, actually it's pretty much gone when she takes her iodine. She stopped taking it for about a week and her asthma came back full force as well as being totally exhausted and having achey joints.

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Are any of you supplementing your children? I am wondering if this wouldn't be good as my whole family (grandparents, aunts, cousins, mom, sisters, ect) all have thyroid issues as do I. I also have fibrocystic breast tissue as of November last year...
I've given a little iodine to dd here and there (less than 1mg/day, and not for any length of time). Once I can figure out how to get her to take the supporting nutrients (especially mag), then I want to start supping her before myself. But until then, we're both off it completely because I don't think she's ready to handle it. That is, unless I cave and do the loading test for me as an experiment, just to see what happens

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Jane - Thanks for starting this thread. Funny, I don't visit MDC much anymore, but when I do look at the thread it's always one with all the same detox mamas.

I had mild fibrocystic breasts, cold extrems, am basal oral temp of 95-96.5, and a bit of weight around the middle. I started taking 50 mg of lugols for 6 months without any improvement in hypo symptoms or detox symptoms. I gave up after 6 months and just took 12.5 per day for another 6 months.

I read in an Adele Davis book that if one does not get enough vitamin E the thyroid will become scarred and cannot absorb iodine even if it is in plentiful supply. I thought I was doing well with an avacado and EVOO. I decided to try it and began 1 TBSP of spectrum wheat germ oil and went back up to my 50 mg of iodine. Well, had three days of wicked detox fatigue and headache. I've always have plenty of energy. The morning after my first day of the E and 50mg iodine I took an oral temp before getting out of bed. That day and every day since it has been 97.5-99.0. Pretty amazing.

Jane - I agree that the fatigue from the bromide detox can be mind numbing. After starting the E and 50 mg I have taken anywhere between 1/2 to 4 tsp of sea salt per day. I don't take it until at least 4 hours after my iodine dose. I guage how much to take by how tired I'm feeling and how the skin on my forehead looks. Wrinkles and fatigue means I need more salt. I take 1 tsp at a time. I wonder if you'd feel better if you took more than 1 1/2 tsp per day?

I was down to only needing 1/2 tsp salt per day when my NAET/acupuncturist confirmed that I had a very high B vitamin requirement. I had been taking 6 liver caps, daily egg, bee pollen, 4 TBSP wheat germ, and TF diet. I was still testing deficient for B vitamins. I started some food source B complex and the bromide detox symptoms (meaning extreme fatigue) came back full force requiring 3 weeks of 3-4 tsp of salt per day. I've always been uncomfortable taking the ATP cofactors since it only gives large amounts of two of the B vitamins. I read once that giving only one or a few of the Bs would cause deficiencies in the rest which made sense to me.

I still haven't seen improvements in my hypo symptoms other than the increased basal temps. I just took axillary temps after reading this thread. I was consistently 97.8 except for days 2 and 3 of my period. I dropped to 97.6 and 97.7, so I guess I still have a bit of work to do there.

My cysts haven't improved, but someone on the NT forum told me that their cysts did not shrink until all their detox symptoms were gone. That gives me hope that I still just need to stick with this.

Lots of good info on this thread!
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Our whole family has used Concentrace for years to supply our magnesium. We needed to buy a new bottle a couple weeks ago so I decided to try natural calm instead. It seems like everyone I know uses that brand and I called the company to find it had no synthetics. It is completely derived from sea salt. I had no problems or issues and loved the sour flavor.

After 3 days of taking the natural calm my 5yo dd (who is EXTREMELY sensitive to mercury) began to stutter slightly. I didn't pay a whole lot of attention until the third day I noticed it getting worse. I couldn't figure out what was going on. Years ago I had used those Japanese detox foot pads on her and she had suddenly developed awful stuttering which continued for a month. At that point I realized that the pads must be pulling the toxins out of cells, but not escorting the mercury out of the body. I believed it was raising her serum mercury level causing the stuttering. I started her on zeolite drops to clear the mercury. The stuttering stopped completely in 3-4 days never to return.

This time she also developed all her old mercury symptoms of weepy eczema behind her ears (yeast), insomnia, and stomach pain/delayed gastric emptying/vomiting. I started her zeolite again and her symptoms improved slightly, but did not resolve even after several days zeolite. I finally figured out that I had started her on the natural calm a few days before the mercury symptoms started.

I stopped the product and called the company. I talked to Kristen who was willing to give me their testing results. Natural Calm had 1 microgram of mercury per serving (3 tsp 600 mg mag). She happened to have the testing results for the concentrace because they add it to one of their products. Concentrace had 0.01 mcg of mercury per serving (1/8 tsp 62.5 mg mag). So, you'd need 10x that concentrace serving to have the same amount of magnesium as the natural calm serving. That would mean 10x the .01 mcg which would be 0.1mcg mercury to get 600 mg magnesium per concentrace as opposed to 1 mcg mercury to get 600 mg magnesium from natural calm.

Our acupuncturist/NAET practitioner confirmed that dd's mercury symptoms had been caused by mercury in the natural calm. She is doing well now. I love zeolite!

Interesting thing is that dd has taken the concentrace, sea salt, HVCLO each day and weekly salmon/anchovies for years without any issue. It was just the inclusion of the natural calm that brought on the stuttering.

Anyway, I didn't notice any difference, but I'm not sensitive to anything and dd is VERY sensitive to mercury. We've all returned to the concentrace. I just wanted to pass this information along since there are a number of mamas on here trying to rid themselves of mercury.
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Thought I would update here. I'm hanging out at 25 mg iodine a day. My symptoms are mild and I'm wondering if I should stick with this or up my dose another pill. Main symptom is I can increase my mag. : I have been needing more mag for a long time but getting above 200 mg or 2x a day caused major problems. Now I am constipated and slowly increasing my mag to resolve that. Not sure if that is a problem or a solution. I think I'll wait till I figure out the right mag dose for this iodine dose before increasing.

I just ordered Dr Ron's multi and his cal/mag. I really seem to do well with mchc cal so hopefully this will be a good one for me. I went ahead and ordered iodine from him too cause I got free shipping. Not sure if it is the cheapest source but it was significantly cheaper than my nutritionist is selling it for. I'm getting MSM too.

What is the current thought on selenium dosage? I have been taking 200 mcg for quite a while.

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I just ordered Dr Ron's multi and his cal/mag.
Last I checked his multi contained ALA which will open the cell walls to let mercury flow to area of lesser concentration and is used in the Cutler chelation protocol. Not a good idea if you have amalgams or had them removed, but haven't chelated yet.
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I think in general supplementing 200mcg is considered reasonable, I went higher for a while cause I knew I had significant deficiencies, but balancing it with other nutrients, if you're going to do that, would be important. Not like I knew enough at the time to do it well, but I did it, and I don't think I had any negative effects from it.

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Holy moley, I almost missed your 2nd response about the Natural Calm.

Danni, I answered in the other thread, but will include it here too, since this is the appropriate place. As background, I didn't have any problems starting the Iodorol, I've stayed at 1 pill just so I don't have to fiddle with it while I do other stuff. But since I had no issues, even while not doing any other nutritional support, I've felt fine giving some to the kids, I decided on 3 tablets per week split between them, ground up with their multi-mineral supp, so that works out to a little over 2mg per kid per day (35 and 45 lbs). Haven't noticed any reaction.
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It does have ALA but I thought that in small doses it didn't chelate. Hmmmm.... I do have amalgams still.

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Last I checked his multi contained ALA which will open the cell walls to let mercury flow to area of lesser concentration and is used in the Cutler chelation protocol. Not a good idea if you have amalgams or had them removed, but haven't chelated yet.
Oh, I'd forgotten! And not a good idea IMO while nursing, if you are (to Patty).
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Patty, folks with serious mercury issues usually start with doses around 10mg, sometimes less. I'm more than a year out from getting my amalgams out and I'm just recently taking 100mg per dose, and I had to _work_ to get here.

Folks who detoxify well, like my DH, would be fine (though I don't think it's great while nursing for anyone) but I didn't realize I had serious issues til I was in really bad shape. It's hard to distinguish til pretty late in the game.
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Crap.

Guess I get to give those to DH.

Sigh.

Sometimes I just get really angry about all this stupid metal in my mouth. I know the dentist who put it there thought he was doing the right thing but it still makes me mad that I get to spend the rest of my life figuring out how to recover from it (and help my precious babies recover from it too.):

I'm also just tired of the long list of different things I take and keeping it straight. The idea of taking one thing to cover a bunch of bases was really, really appealing.

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Jane - I agree that the fatigue from the bromide detox can be mind numbing. After starting the E and 50 mg I have taken anywhere between 1/2 to 4 tsp of sea salt per day. I don't take it until at least 4 hours after my iodine dose. I guage how much to take by how tired I'm feeling and how the skin on my forehead looks. Wrinkles and fatigue means I need more salt. I take 1 tsp at a time. I wonder if you'd feel better if you took more than 1 1/2 tsp per day?
Can you go into the details of how you do 4 tsp of salt? Is it all dissolved? Do you chase with plain water? Is there a magic ratio of salt to water, or do you just do the salt then drink to thirst?

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Patty, if you're looking for a good-quality multivitamin, consider Perque2 Life Guard, and if you want a mineral supp, Perque Bone Guard Forte 20. You'll have to search around a bit to find a place to buy them online, they're mostly sold through HCPs, but there are places to get them. Good quality, I think good ratios of nutrients--far from the 100% RDA of everything, good forms of nutrients too.
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Crap.

Guess I get to give those to DH.

Sigh.

Sometimes I just get really angry about all this stupid metal in my mouth. I know the dentist who put it there thought he was doing the right thing but it still makes me mad that I get to spend the rest of my life figuring out how to recover from it (and help my precious babies recover from it too.):

I'm also just tired of the long list of different things I take and keeping it straight. The idea of taking one thing to cover a bunch of bases was really, really appealing.
Patty I feel just the same way, about the amalgams and trying to keep the list of supplements I have been taking straight...

Now I just read about ALA : I have been taking that on and off throughout my pregnancies and while breastfeeding in the form of flaxseed oil (600-1000mg a day), so now I wonder if this hasn't caused some of the issues my kids are having - nothing major - yet - but 3yo DS is a very tantrumy child and prone to low blood sugar and 1yo DD is prone to constipation and has already had a bout of thrush.

Would it help if I gave ALA to the kids? If I give it to them along with a muti-vit, C, selenium and Mag? Not sure how I will get them to take it, any suggestions?

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Ack, that's a different ALA!

The heavy metal mobilizing ALA is alpha lipoic acid.

The precursor to DHA is alpha linolenic acid, a type of omega-3 fatty acid, which is the flaxseed type.

Totally different, I promise, but it's horrible that they have the same acronym and both acrynyms are widely used.
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Patty I feel just the same way, about the amalgams and trying to keep the list of supplements I have been taking straight...

Now I just read about ALA : I have been taking that on and off throughout my pregnancies and while breastfeeding in the form of flaxseed oil (600-1000mg a day), so now I wonder if this hasn't caused some of the issues my kids are having - nothing major - yet - but 3yo DS is a very tantrumy child and prone to low blood sugar and 1yo DD is prone to constipation and has already had a bout of thrush.

Would it help if I gave ALA to the kids? If I give it to them along with a muti-vit, C, selenium and Mag? Not sure how I will get them to take it, any suggestions?

WOW I am suffering from major info overload after trying to read this while thread and links mentioned :
Tanya will clear it up when she reads this since I don't remember the details, but ALA the omega 3 fatty acid is *not* the same ALA that can move metals. There need to be better abbreviations...

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just saw that... glad we're on the same page

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Holy moley, I almost missed your 2nd response about the Natural Calm.
Holy moley doesn't cover it. Holy crap.


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Now I just read about ALA : I have been taking that on and off throughout my pregnancies and while breastfeeding in the form of flaxseed oil (600-1000mg a day),
Flax seed oil contains 8 grams (8000 mg) of ALA per tablespoon.
Flax seed oil contains an omega-3 called alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), which is one of two fatty acids that the body needs and cannot make for itself. Several other sources of ALA do exist, most notably walnuts and hemp seed. Omega-3s are needed by every cell in the body. Among other things, an ample supply helps ensure that cell membranes stay flexible so that cells can get nutrients easily.
http://www.supplementquality.com/eff...l_flaxoil.html


Humans have a limited ability to convert ALA to DHA: Less than 1 percent of it is turned into DHA (although women convert it better than men do). Western diets limit their ability to convert it even more because they eat too many omega-6 fats from corn and soybean oils (Americans average 18 grams a day of omega-6 fat from these oils).


The trouble is that these omega-6 fatty acids compete with ALA for conversion. So, for instance, if a person consumed an ounce of walnuts per day, they'd get approximately 2,500 mg of ALA. But it would, at best, convert to just 25 mg of DHA, a small fraction of the DHA necessary (600 mg) for optimal health.
http://www.crohns.net/page/C/PROD/No...ls_EFA/NNL5008



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Ack, that's a different ALA!

The heavy metal mobilizing ALA is alpha lipoic acid.

The precursor to DHA is alpha linolenic acid, a type of omega-3 fatty acid, which is the flaxseed type.

Totally different, I promise, but it's horrible that they have the same acronym and both acrynyms are widely used.
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