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Disorders connected to iodine deficiency: all thyroid disorders, ovarian cysts/PCOS and insulin resistance, uterine fibroids, infertility and menstrual problems, fibrocystic breast disease, fibromyalgia, low stomach acid, various autoimmune diseases, and cancers of the breast, ovarian, prostate, uterine and thyroid. Among others.

Quite a list isn’t it? Read on dear mamas, we have a lot of ground to cover. I will be posting several threads in a row to continue.

We have iodine receptors all over our body.
The mineral iodine is an essential one. Essential for the health of many more organs and hormones and bodily processes than just the thyroid. We have receptors for iodine not just on the thyroid but also: the breast, uterus, prostate, skin, pancreas, saliva glands, stomach, intestines, choroid plexus (brain) and eye.

Iodine is required by every single cell in the body. It is connected to the manufacture of every hormone in the body including estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, insulin, aldosterone, etc. So it starts to make sense that deficiency can lead to so many different disorders other than the more commonly known goiter.

Current studies show that iodine is needed in many times more than the RDA.
The RDA is 150 micrograms for an average adult and more for pregnancy and lactation. The total body load of iodine that can be stored in the thyroid is 50 milligrams and the total body load for iodine sufficiency is 1,500 milligrams. Since a microgram is 1/1000th of a milligram, one quickly sees the falacy of the RDA. It was based on the minimum amount of iodine to prevent goiter and cretinism. I will show that it is not enough to ensure the health of the body as a whole.

The storage of iodine in the body receptors are influenced by the toxins we consume.
Many of you may have heard of goitrogens. The term is commonly used for foods which eaten regularly can lead to development of a goiter: the cabbage family and soy. They inhibit iodine utilization and are known to lead to thyroid disorders. They can also inhibit the transfer of iodine to breastmilk. However…

There is a whole other class of goitrogens which are chemical toxins: the halogens.
Halogens (aka halides) are in the same chemical family as iodine. They displace iodine and block receptors in the body leading to malfunction of various organs and bodily systems.

Some iodine blockers are so ubiquitous in our modern life that you might not even think are necessarily “toxic” such as fluoride and chlorine. Fluoride and chorine inhibit iodine. Bromide (aka bromine) is a major goitrogen which can be in bread and bakery products, fruits and vegetables, flame retardants, swimming pool and hot tub disinfectants, sodas and Gatorade, and prescription drugs including some SSRIs. Bromides inhibit iodine and can be stored in iodine receptors in iodine's place, like all other halogens.

There are also other toxins which are more well known to be dangerous such as mercury, nitrates and perchlorate. These also block iodine and can attach to the iodine receptors in the body.

Iodine researchers now think that coupled with the reduced iodine present in the modern diet, coupled with our increased toxic load, is one of the major causes leading to the epidemic of diseases related to iodine deficiency.

Breast cancer alone, in that 1 in 7 women will get it in their lifetime, is reason enough to learn more about iodine.

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Iodine: The Original Traditional Medicine
One hundred years ago, iodine in the form of Lugol’s solution, was depended upon by almost every single physician in the U.S. to treat hypo and hyper thyroid disorders and also as a panacea for a multitude of diseases.

Nobel laureate Albert Szent Györgyi, the physician who discovered vitamin C in 1928 and who was a medical student in the early 1900s, wrote:
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“When I was a medical student, iodine in the form of KI [potassium iodide] was the universal medicine. Nobody knew what it did, but it did something and did something good.

We students used to sum up the situation in this little rhyme: ‘If ye don’t know where, what, and why, prescribe ye then K and I.’ “

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-14/PUB_14.htm
Current clinicians and researchers utilizing Orthoiodosupplementation (which means supplementation of iodine to full body sufficiency) believe that the observations of those first physicians were absolutely correct. And to reach full body sufficiency will take anywhere from 2 drops to 8 drops of Lugol's (12.5 mg - 50mg) per day or more, depending on toxin exposure. Two drops or 12.5 mg is estimated to be the amount both the breasts and the thyroid need every day after full body sufficiency is reached.
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

You can’t rely on iodized salt.
There is only one form of iodine added to salt: iodide. Research has shown that only 10% is actually bioavailable and it can also evaporate. Salt also does not contain the second form (iodine) that other body tissues like the breasts prefer. Traditional Lugol's solution provides both iodine and potassium iodide for both the thyroid and other body receptors.

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In 1831, French chemist and agronomist JG Boussingault31 proposed iodized sodium chloride (table salt) as a means of preventing goiter. Such proposal was implemented first in Europe and then in the 1920s in the US. Following Marine’s study, absence of goiter, not overall performance was the endpoint relied upon for assessing iodine sufficiency. Iodization of salt gave a false sense of iodine sufficiency and resulted in the public relying on iodized salt for supplementation instead of the previously used forms of iodine and iodide such as the Lugol solution in the recommended daily amount of 0.1-0.3 ml containing 12.5-37.5 mg elemental iodine.4 In order to ingest 12.5 mg of elemental iodine from salt, one would have to consume 165 g of salt; and obviously three times that amount of salt would be required for supplying 37.5 mg elemental iodine.3,5 Besides, table salt in the US contains iodide only, not iodine. Iodine is very important for normal function of breast tissue.3 Therefore, supplementation should contain both forms, iodine and iodide.

The implementation of iodization of table salt in the US was associated with the appearance of autoimmune thyroiditis. In several communities worldwide, an increased incidence of chronic autoimmune thyroiditis was reported following implementation of iodization of sodium chloride.32 In areas of the US where this relationship has been studied, mainly in the Great Lakes region, a similar trend was reported. In 1966 and 1968, Weaver, et al,33,34 from Ann Arbor Michigan reported: “The salient histopathological feature of the thyroid glands, removed at operation in a five-year period before iodine prophylaxis (1915-1920), was the paucity of lymphocytes in their parenchyma, and, more importantly, the absence of thyroiditis of any form ... It should be emphasized that the thyroid glands prior to the use of iodized salt were devoid of lymphocytes, and nodular colloid goiters with dense lymphocytic infiltrates were found after the introduction of iodized salt in 1924.”

It is of interest to note that prior to iodization of salt, autoimmune thyroiditis was almost non-existent in the US, although Lugol solution and potassium iodide were used extensively in medical practice in amounts two orders of magnitude greater than the average daily amount ingested from iodized salt. This suggests that inadequate iodide intake aggravated by goitrogens, not excess iodide, was the cause of this condition.2 Of interest is the fact that autoimmune thyroiditis cannot be induced by inorganic iodide in laboratory animals unless combined with goitrogens, therefore inducing iodine deficiency.
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-14/PUB_14.htm
One slice of bread used to contain the RDA of iodine. Now toxic bromide that competes with the iodine receptors in the body is routinely added to bread as a dough conditioner. The conventional dairy industry used to use more iodine for disinfection and supplementation than it does today. Basic food sources have ceased to provide us with the iodine we need.

In addition, more fluoride is consumed today than at any other time in history due to toothpastes, dental treatments and water supplementation. Mercury from dental fillings and environmental pollution is at an all time high. Nitrates are in all processed meats (deli, sausage, bacon, etc.) Perchlorate contamination is making the news frequently and blamed for cancer increases and thyroid disorders.
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A startling new study by the federal Centers for Disease Control (CDC) says minute traces of a toxic rocket fuel chemical [perchlorate] found in milk, fruit vegetables and drinking water supplies nationwide lowers essential thyroid hormones in women.
http://www.ewg.org/node/20902
Even newborns have high body burdens of receptor clogging toxins
EWG Report: Body Burden – The Pollution in Newborns
http://www.ewg.org/reports/bodyburde...#familyresults

Bromides and Bromism: what this toxin can do to you

A stated before bromide can be added to breads, processed flours, sodas, nuts and oils. It is also present in some seaweeds and other plants, and is in Celexa, Paxil, Prozac and other pharmaceuticals.

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They [bromides/bromines] lessen the activity of the brain cells, producing somnolence; diminish the sensibility of the peripheral nerves, causing anaesthesia of the skin and mucous membranes. They impair motility and the sexual function, cause great pallor and emaciation, lowered body-temperature, acne on the face and upper extremities, fetid breath, dysphagia, sluggish reflexes and defective coordination; and if long continued may even impair the mental faculties, producing hallucinations in some cases, in others melancholia with suicidal tendency; also incompetence of the sphincters and paralysis, beginning at the periphery and extending to the centres. The general result of their action is termed "Bromism," and is heralded by the acne and lowered faucial sensibility. It is probably due to the sedative influence of these agents on the sympathetic system, causing general anaemia of the brain, spinal cord, sexual organs, and skin.
http://www.henriettesherbal.com/ecle...p/bromine.html
If you are experiencing negative symptoms with iodine supplementation, the problem is usually bromine detox, caused by kicking bromide out of the receptor sites and stocking healthy iodine. The treatment is nutritional support, celtic sea salt flushes and increased fluid intake. Taking a break and then starting gradually increasing iodine dosages may be required.

As stated before, mercury also binds to receptor sites in the thyroid. For those mamas concerned about heavy metals and interested in chelation might consider iodine as a primary treatment as thyroid hormones can be a potent inhibitor of lipid peroxidization, more than other established antioxidants. Dr. David Brownstein has said that he has employed urine testing and noted increased excretion of mercury, arsenic, lead and other metals (in addition to bromide and other halogens) with iodine therapy.

Thyroxine and reverse T3 were found to be more effective in antioxidant activity than vitamin E, glutathione, ascorbic acid and DTT.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6708757

I know that Andrew Cutler, PhD the developer of the low and slow method of mercury chelation, has stated that iodine is not a mercury chelator. So I look forward to exploring this issue further with the "Chelating mamas".

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Another compelling argument for the human body's natural load of iodine may be 100 times the RDA is the increased iodine intake in the Japanese:

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...there is a large population consuming close to 100 times the RDA almost daily, the Japanese living in Japan. According to the Japanese Ministry of Health, the average daily consumption of seaweed by mainland Japanese is 4.6 gm(22). At an average of 0.3% I in seaweed (range 0.08-0.45%) (22), that would compute to an average daily intake of 13.8 mg I[odine]. Overall, the Japanese living in Japan are among the healthiest people in the world, based on cancer statistics (23). They have one of the lowest incidence of I-deficiency goiter and hypothyroidism (10).
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-02/IOD_02.htm
Iodine Protocol
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol.html

David Brownstein MD

Book “IODINE: Why you need it why you can’t live without it”
https://www.drbrownstein.com/bookstore_Iodine.php

Interview with
http://www.healthtruthrevealed.com/a...912805/article


Guy Abraham MD
Researcher of orthoiodosupplementation together with Brownstein and Flechas. Developer of iodine loading test and Iodoral tablets (which is Lugol’s solution in tablet form).
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

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Iodine is not only necessary for the production of thyroid hormones; it is also responsible for the production of all the other hormones in the body.
-David Brownstein MD
Orthoiodosupplementation in a Primary Care Practice
Jorge D. Flechas, M.D.

-Iodine reverses fibrocystic breast disease
-Diabetic patients require less insulin.
-Hypothyroid patients require less thyroid medication.
-Symptoms of fibromyalgia resolve.
-Migraines are stopped.
-Greater sense of well being.
-Brain fog lifted.
-Warmer in cold environments.
-Improved skin and more regular bowel function.
-Every hormone in the body is effected by iodine’s action on hormone receptors.
http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-10/IOD_10.htm

Other uses for iodine: an ideal replacement for antibiotics?

Mark Sircus Ac. OMD recommends the topical antiseptic containing iodine, Betadine, for ear infections instead of antibiotics http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...indexed=google

Sircus even goes so far as to call iodine the one thing that can save us when antiobiotics cannot with respect to ever increasing infectious disease risk – more deaths from infectious diseases as a whole and antibiotic resistant bacteria – we now face.

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After we understand that iodine is an excellent antiviral, antibacterial, anti fungal, mold and yeast agent we begin to glimpse the catastrophic mistake made for substituting pharmaceutical antibiotics for iodine…
only iodine is capable of killing all classes of pathogens: gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria, mycobacteria, fungi, yeasts, viruses and protozoa…
Every 17 minutes, every drop of blood in our body flushes through our thyroid, and if our thyroid has an adequate supply of iodine, blood-borne bacteria and viruses are killed off as the blood passes through the thyroid.
-Mark A. Sircus Ac. OMD
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No virus, bacteria or parasite has been shown to be resistant to iodine therapy
-David Brownstein MD
Unlike antibiotics, iodine appears supportive of our nascent immune system anchored by our good bacteria/probiotics. Dr. Brownstein’s practice has treated thousands of patients with the iodine protocol and has stated he has never seen dysbiotic reactions to its use: iodine leaves healthy gut flora intact Personally, I have seen only benefit for my digestion.

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Read the MDC thread that inspired my post:
Nichole’s story of healing herself and her DH from anxiety, depression, migraines, thyroid problems and more.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1077629
her website: www.theiodineproject.com

Other MDC mamas are describing "euphoria" like feelings with iodine supplementation:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1088801

My experience thus far, stay tuned…
Personally I have seen improvement in digestion: stomach acid and bile flow with just one drop of Lugol’s per day. I can’t tease out benefits specifically about mood and energy b/c I’ve been doing other nutritional interventions which also have played a role for me (B vits, omega 3, vitamin D). Although remember nutrition does work in concert, not solo.

My goal is to work up to the 8 drops per day (50 mg. of iodine and iodide) supporting detox with transdermal magnesium, celtic sea salt flushes, selenium and vitamin C. I have to say it's been hard, and I wonder if my mercury load is an issue. I keep stopping and starting. I am detoxing bromide (headaches and mind numbing fatigue). It definitely helped my body temperature increase.

Now that I’m reminded about the necessity of iodine and my particular need for it (if I was detoxing bromide, and I know my mercury burden is high, ergo my receptors are clogged and I’m risking the development of disease). My AM temps have still not been consistent, so clearly my thyroid is still impaired, another indication my body needs more iodine. I haven’t even been following the 12.5 mg maintenance dose b/c of my reluctance over initial detox symptoms. (What a dope! Oh well it’s good to have new goals, right?)

Iodine Loading Test:
http://cypress.he.net/~bigmacnc/drflechas/iodine.htm
http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?pag...7&qid=&zTYPE=2 (link to test kit is on the right)

Sources for Testing:
http://iodine4health.com/ortho/iodin...st_sources.htm

http://www.hakalalabs.com/
Hakalah will send to you w/o a dr. px (ex. NY and CA) but Flechas lab is supposed to be the best (which is the first link above... although it sounds like Flechas can be assigned as your doctor. Need to confirm this.

I think VRP sends to Flechas, need to confirm this with them.

If you excrete 90% of the iodine in your urine, your body load is sufficient. Brownstein says that those who excrete 10% or less he orders an immediate cancer work up. For those of you with more serious health conditions such as fibroids, cysts, cancer, thyroid disorders, or questions about safety or necessity, this test might be a good idea.

Thyroid Disease & Meds
Anyone on thyroid medication (Armour, Synthroid etc.) needs to be monitored by a clinician familiar with orthoiodosupplementation protocol. Iodine will likely make your need for medication go down. Also get a consult on Graves or Hashimoto’s as those can be even more complex. However, be aware that all of these conditions have improved or resolved in clinical practice with iodine, it can be said that iodine deficiency is the root cause of all of them.

Iodine Literate Practitioners
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/ipractitioners.html

One final note: complementary nutritional support is essential for the iodine protocol and utilization of iodine in general.
Particularly selenium and magnesium.

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If selenium levels are inadequate, the thyroid gland cannot utilize iodine correctly.
- David Brownstein MD
Selenium deficiency alone will prevent the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver. Selenium deficiency will also prevent breakdown of estrogen leading to estrogen dominance disorders.

Iodine and/or selenium deficiency may modify the distribution and the homeostasis of other minerals… Fe, Mn, Cu, and Zn, the essential trace elements associated with oxidant and/or antioxidant processes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...t=AbstractPlus

Magnesium should be emphasized over calcium states Guy Abraham, MD. Up to 1200 mg. a day may be needed esp. in cases of bromism detox. Also vitamin C and B complex are mentioned by iodine researchers. Celtic sea salt flushes are helpful for detox symptoms (headache, fatigue, etc.) I would also add high vitamin cod liver oil (Blue Ice or Radiant Life) because A and D are so essential for the hormonal and immune system. Your hormones simply will not be produced without the raw materials provided by the right amount of nutrients and imo the sole reason why one experiences a hormonal disorder. There is a list of companion nutrients above at the protocol link.


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“For every molecule of pesticide [and I would state simply ‘molecule of toxin’] that your body detoxifies, you throw away or use up forever, a molecule of glutathione, magnesium and more,” says Dr. Sherry Rogers who goes on to say that, “Your body uses nutrients to make this glutathione and it uses up energy as well. Every time we detoxify a chemical, we use up, lose, throw away forever, a certain amount of nutrients.”
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine2.htm
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Cysts and Nodules

Iodine deficiency is now thought to be the primary cause of thyroid cysts and nodules, breast pain and benign cysts (fibrocystic breast disease), uterine fibroids, cyst on ovaries, and prostate enlargement. These abnormal cells do not die off and can lead to cancer. In the presence of lack of iodine, the tissues expand to try to capture more. That is why on an orthoiodiosupplementation protocol, these cysts have been shown to gradually disappear.

And also fibromyalgia, where the muscles may striate due to iodine deficiency.

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Fibromyalgia is a common clinical syndrome of generalized musculoskeletal pain, stiffness, and chronic aching, characterized by reproducible tenderness on palpitation of specific anatomical sites, called tender points.10 Fibromyalgia is nine times more common in middle-aged women (between the ages of 30 and 50 years) than in men. The association of fibromyalgia with chronic fatigue syndrome has been reported.11 We previously proposed that fibromyalgia is caused by deficiencies of substances needed in ATP synthesis.10The role of iodine in ATP synthesis and in normal functions of striated muscles is presently unknown. In severely iodine-deficient individuals, the thyroid gland takes the lion’s share (70- 80%) of the total body iodine pool. However, in iodine sufficient individuals, the maximum iodine content of the thyroid gland (50 mg) represents only 3% of the total body iodine of 1,500 mg at sufficiency.3 Striated muscles contain 33% of the total body iodine in iodine sufficient individuals.17
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Iodine for fibroids? Really?

I just got prescribed KI drops for a completely different condition. Hmm...

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SSKI drops for panniculitis

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Also I forgot to say that considering that there are iodine receptors in the salivary glands, pancreas, stomach and gastric mucosa...

I wonder what the implications are for iodine deficiencies and gut health?
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Different but similarly an issue with cyst formation!
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This is an interesting topic. I suffer from a lot of the 'symptoms' that iodine is supposed to fix. I'm getting majorly confused though about the standard protocol to follow, as well as the pros/cons of it (like, I'm still bf my son, can I take iodine while doing this?). As for all of the tests, are there any that don't require $$$$? It's not like insurance covers this (as if I even have it,). Also, the list of supplementation seems high: iodine, AND magnesium, AND cod liver oil. Plus more if detoxing???

Any step-by step info on what to supplement & how, please?

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Subbing, as I think iodine deficiency is a major cause of my problems. I've been feeling a lot better since I started supplementing! I'm still in the early stages, but I can see a definite increase in my energy level already.

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Ami,

This is a protocol link but step by step, I'm not sure I can say. The experience once you start dosing and need for body sufficiency can be so individual.
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iprotocol.html

The test where you paint a large patch iodine on your skin has been called ineffective by the iodine researchers b/c it evaporates (Guy Abraham's research), but others have said it's helpful.

As far as how much to take, Brownstein/Flechas/Abraham say that you need 12.5mg per day of iodine/iodide after reaching full body sufficiency. They use dosages of 50 mg or more for 3 months or more to reach sufficiency and this is confirmed by the loading test.

Lugol's solution can be obtained at a compounding pharmacy near you. A bottle will last you a year and was about $15 when I bought it. Remember to check the % however, as the number of drops (2 to 8 or more) recommended by Abraham/Brownstein/Flechas is in traditional Lugol's solution of 5% iodine, 10% potassium iodide, and 85% water. There are other Lugols mixtures online and it gets quite confusing.

Iodoral tablets are more precise measurement of dosage and easier to take, but of course more expensive.

IHerb has Iosol, which is more diluted than Lugol's solution (1.83mg per drop), and is very inexpensive. Not sure how the dosage on that should correlate with the volumes of clinical experience on Lugol's/Iodoral. They recommend less and say Lugol's is inferior and Iosol more bioavailable. Sorry to be even more confusing but it's hard for me to know for sure. Perhaps we can find out more as this thread continues.

Iodine therapy might require a large commitment to detoxing. I know it is for me and my past experiences with it just didn't jive with the chaos of my life in the last 2 years, so here I am now trying again. It doesn't seem to as big an issue for others though, the majority of cases as I understand it just improve with iodine! Only you can determine whether it's worth it for the potential of solving your current issues and preventing future ones.

Each of the supplements has a specific reason why it is recommended, mostly for antioxidant support while detoxing and support of various body functions that will not work in presence of a deficiency. Most of them (selenium, magnesium, vitamins A/D) are typically low in most people anyway! Deficiencies in any of these nutrients can cause disease states (such as depression, thyroid and immune dysfunction, et al) on their own.
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So iodine detoxes halides and other heavy metals including mercury and arsenic. What's a nursing and/or pregnant mom to do? I've also heard that iodine changes the taste of your milk (and generally not for the better).

Is starting slow enough? Do the benefits outweigh the risks, even with no precautions? Are there other precautions to take? How does opening detox pathways fit in? Age of nursling? How about supplementing the nursling?

I think my detox pathways are stuck closed and that iodine might just open them for me. Is there any way to know besides just trying it? My history says I'm very likely to be bromide toxic, so I'm kind of wary.

Are there ways of telling how toxic you are in advance of taking a loading dose?

Anyone with answers or ideas or just other angles of looking at it is welcome to comment! As far as I know (I did my research about a year ago), a lot of these questions just haven't been answered yet. But now the benefits are stacking up for me and so I want to minimize the risks to dd...

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WhoMe, I tend to research things to death and for ME the benefits outweighed the risk. I chose to start at 50 mg (which is on the higher side) after I was tested. When I began I had a newborn and a toddler nursing. The little one was somewhere between 4 and 6 weeks. I had no issues at all (likely as a result of pituitary issues as I experienced no discomfort even starting at that dosage) and only had benefits. I felt better immediately following the loading test. My milk didn't change taste-wise as far as I know (dd would've told me.)

I've been on it for 3 years now (wow!) and the benefits have remained the same but it didn't do all of what I expected it to do. It didn't clear our metals and glutathione was a necessary part of our process.

I still say that support while nursing is important not only to open the pathways, but to minimize the risk to the nursling as you begin. But hey, that's me! There is also a whole supplement list that is deemed necessary and I feel that is true.

At this point we all take it, dh and kiddos all get it directly as well. We are doing well on it and honestly if you have the risk factors my feeling is that if you start slowly (unlike me!) the benefits do outweigh the risks, by a LOT. Especially for your child. Thyroid hormone is passed via breastmilk and if you are deficient in iodine you likely aren't passing it in sufficient amounts. There is a major benefit to the nursling. Plus if they are getting iodine they are able to detox at the same time....just support the pathways!
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I still say that support while nursing is important not only to open the pathways, but to minimize the risk to the nursling as you begin. But hey, that's me! There is also a whole supplement list that is deemed necessary and I feel that is true.

At this point we all take it, dh and kiddos all get it directly as well. We are doing well on it and honestly if you have the risk factors my feeling is that if you start slowly (unlike me!) the benefits do outweigh the risks, by a LOT. Especially for your child. Thyroid hormone is passed via breastmilk and if you are deficient in iodine you likely aren't passing it in sufficient amounts. There is a major benefit to the nursling. Plus if they are getting iodine they are able to detox at the same time....just support the pathways!
Yeah, I tend to research things to death too, but sometimes I get impatient and learn more by just doing. I've already decided that for us, iodine while nursing is a path I want to go down, and it's time to start down that path. So now I'm trying to figure out the details. I obviously want to do it as safely as possible, but haven't found anyone IRL that I can turn to. So I'm talking it out here (some people like to learn by example, right?)

Are you saying your approach is to put in place all the iodine support nutrients, then add iodine? How do I know if my pathways are supported enough? Can I just assume that since I know what the pathways are and what the nutrients are, I'll be able to support with if/when it comes up? How urgent of a thing is it? If it takes me a few days/a week/a month to realize that something is blocked, have I done major harm? I'm thinking my major toxin is bromine, and not mercury, if it matters.

If I start dd on the protocol before me so that she's better able to process the junk I throw at her, how long before are we talking? Should she be all the way on maintenance before I start? Is just a day or two long enough? I know it's all very individual, but I'm looking for a ballpark.

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Just starting to read this. Thanks so much Jane. Look forward to adding another major piece to my health puzzle.

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THank you for starting this Jane!

Does anyone have a link where you can order the iodine excretion urine test? I clicked the 2 links provided but nowhere on those pages did I see a way to order this test.

Also, does anyone know if you should test a few times and average results or if just one test is sufficient? I'm wondering if it's like cortisol testing where levels go up and down throughout the day. Thanks!
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the loading test has you collect one sample prior to supplementation and then collect urine every time you pee for 24 hours. They assess the retention rate...how much is used by the body essentially. I test every now and again to see how I'm doing. But I'm also being studied.
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Well, I used to be more worried about metals but the more I read the less I'm convinced that it actually mobilizes them to any significant extent. I simply support the pathways (you know what those are!) add the nutrients and make sure I watch for any signs that the nursling is being affected. Extra glutathione (usually glutathione + NAC) was essential for us and does protect the breastmilk. You should also be doing high doses of C, mag, selenium, D etc.

Honestly if you start slow and if you have very few risk factors (well, the babe has few risk factors) then you should really be fine. It's a nutrient. Therapeutic doses may not be the brightest idea off the bat and this rec will vary depending on the age/frequency of nursing in baby.

How old is your dd? I didn't give it directly to my son until he had been on it through me. Even then it was early....but since we'd already journeyed so far I was okay with it. Same for dd but she was high risk.

I would say start slow, continue supporting pathways, look into glutathione, read up on the salt flush, think about clay (calcium bentonite) and watch. If you get uncomfortable then it's time to reassess.
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I have some hypothyroid issues and am thinking about starting some Lugol's. I take Blue Ice COL right now and Natural Calm. I would plan to get some Brazil nuts for selenium and be prepared to do salt flushes. Anything else I should be taking if I go this route? I have Sodium Ascorbate so that would be good for Vit C right? What would be a good way to get B vitamins? I prefer whole food sources if possible or else whatever would be most effective. I get headaches from various pills that I've tried over the years so I wouldn't be surprised if I got them from trying this. My 14 mo is also still nursing.

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just subbing for now... bbl to read this thread!! I just ordered an iodine supp, but haven't started taking it yet. (It's Atomidine- any opinions about that brand?)

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