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I finally got my hmo to test both my dd's vitamin d levels yesterday - yay!
However, last evening when dh got home I learned that he had given them each one vit d supplement yesterday (1,000)!!! I haven't been giving them that supp yet in hopes of getting them tested. Meanwhile dh & I have been reading so much about it's use in preventing flus and bolstering immunity etc - so he went ahead and gave it to them yesterday pf all days!
My question is, how much is that going to skew the test results???
Thanks so much for any thoughts on this.
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I wouldn't worry...since it's something you should (IMO) be giving anyway (unless your kids gets tons of sunshine year round without sunblock). the number that comes back if they have only ever had 1 1,000mg supplement recently will be fairly representaive of their current levels. When I wanted to see if supplemnting was helping my levels my ND had me taking increased doses for 1 month before retesting

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The test will still be accurate. Don't worry.

I'd start giving them 1000 IU (of D3) regularly now. No need to wait for the test results.

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Thanks so much ladies!
I will keep them on 1,00/day til results come back.
Good to know. I feel much better.
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The test will still be accurate. Don't worry.

I'd start giving them 1000 IU (of D3) regularly now. No need to wait for the test results.
Not to hijack your thread but how much D should a 14m.o. be getting? I give 800Ius a day in water. Is that plenty?
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I came on looking for the info on how much to give my 30 month old who is 35 pounds. I asked her ped about testing her levels and she said she doesn't usually do that but would order the tests. Aren't there different kinds of tests for Vit D? I'm wondering if she doesn't usually do it if she'll order the right one.
The guy at our health store said at dd's weight I should give her 2000iu's a day of D3. Is that okay?
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The correct test is the 25 (OH) D test and you want in the high normal range.

It really depends on food intake and sunlight how much vitamin D to give. I would give more in Seattle in the winter for example.

Ideally you should be testing a couple times a year to monitor your dosages and find out what your body needs to keep you in range, but unfortunately I know that is unrealistic in today's managed health care.

Also know that vitamin A is essential for vitamin D regulation as well. Both vitamins prevent toxicity of either one. That is why high vitamin cod liver oil is a great way to get your D. Since we live in Massachusetts in summer I make sure we get our sun and our CLO. And in the fall/winter/early spring we take extra D in addition to CLO (Radiant Life or Blue Ice) providing 5000 IU of A and 500 IU of D per 1/2 teaspoon.
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GrassrootsHealth has a Vit D study you can join that tests you twice a year for Vit D levels at a cost of $40 per test. My husband joined it since his levels were horribly low and thought this would be easier and cheaper than going to the doctor's office.

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I came on looking for the info on how much to give my 30 month old who is 35 pounds. I asked her ped about testing her levels and she said she doesn't usually do that but would order the tests. Aren't there different kinds of tests for Vit D? I'm wondering if she doesn't usually do it if she'll order the right one.
The guy at our health store said at dd's weight I should give her 2000iu's a day of D3. Is that okay?
It's the 25 (OH) D test and she might order the wrong one so check with her. I give my kids 2000 IU per day and one is a little less weight wise than her. That's considered a safe dose for children over age one. AT that level my kids were a little under ideal (in the 40's) in the winter. It is good to find her number as she may need more or less. You want her at 50 ideally. The tests often say 25 and up is ok and it's actually deficient. You're deficient until at least 40.

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Not to hijack your thread but how much D should a 14m.o. be getting? I give 800Ius a day in water. Is that plenty?
Possibly not/wouldn't have been enough for my kids. That might be ok for her. It's best to get a test so you know. The test is 25 (OH) D. I'd do at least 1000 IU of D3 if you can't test her unless she's in the sun at mid-day a lot.

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GrassrootsHealth has a Vit D study you can join that tests you twice a year for Vit D levels at a cost of $40 per test. My husband joined it since his levels were horribly low and thought this would be easier and cheaper than going to the doctor's office.
cool. I haven't heard of the test they use. Is that accurate?
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What exactly is "high vitamin cod liver oil?" What brands do you use? We use Ascenta NutraSea +D, because it is produced locally. It says it uses sardines, mackerel and anchovies, in addition to vitamin E and green tea extract. Dd won't take it, though. Is this different than cod liver oil? Is CLO better? Does anyone know a really good-tasting vitamin D supplement for kids? Is it okay if taken in a multivitamin? That way she'd get vitamin A, too. What about a really good tasting CLO? Can I mix CLO in something, like chocolate syrup as a pp mentioned? I do give dd 400 IU of a "gummy" vitamin D3 that she likes. I guess I could just give her more? And there's a gummy Omega-3, too. Is that better than nothing, if it's all she'll take? I have lots of questions about this!
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What exactly is "high vitamin cod liver oil?" What brands do you use? We use Ascenta NutraSea +D, because it is produced locally. It says it uses sardines, mackerel and anchovies, in addition to vitamin E and green tea extract. Dd won't take it, though. Is this different than cod liver oil? Is CLO better? Does anyone know a really good-tasting vitamin D supplement for kids? Is it okay if taken in a multivitamin? That way she'd get vitamin A, too. What about a really good tasting CLO? Can I mix CLO in something, like chocolate syrup as a pp mentioned? I do give dd 400 IU of a "gummy" vitamin D3 that she likes. I guess I could just give her more? And there's a gummy Omega-3, too. Is that better than nothing, if it's all she'll take? I have lots of questions about this!
We use Carlsons Cod Liver oil, lemon flavor. Not sure if it is considered "high vitamin", but I do know dh did a ton of research on the topic before buying it and he was satisfied that it is the best. It cost around $40 a bottle, so it better be! We've been giving it to our dd since she was about 10 months old (we all take it).

On the topic of vitamin D, just want to pass along a good article about vitamin D testing from Women to Women (an awesome holistic health site):
To test or not to test — the ABC’s of vitamin D testing and treatment
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What exactly is "high vitamin cod liver oil?" What brands do you use? We use Ascenta NutraSea +D, because it is produced locally. It says it uses sardines, mackerel and anchovies, in addition to vitamin E and green tea extract. Dd won't take it, though. Is this different than cod liver oil? Is CLO better? Does anyone know a really good-tasting vitamin D supplement for kids? Is it okay if taken in a multivitamin? That way she'd get vitamin A, too. What about a really good tasting CLO? Can I mix CLO in something, like chocolate syrup as a pp mentioned? I do give dd 400 IU of a "gummy" vitamin D3 that she likes. I guess I could just give her more? And there's a gummy Omega-3, too. Is that better than nothing, if it's all she'll take? I have lots of questions about this!
You can go to http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...dliveroil.html
The best CLO is Blue Ice or I *think* radiant life. I get mine from greenpastures.org We like the fermented cinnamon flavor. DD is 14m.o. and takes it most days by the spoon with a little juice but will take is easy in a smoothie.
Carlsons is OK but the brand above is much better quality IMO. You don't want synthetic A or D and I believe Carlsons may contain synthetics.

I do use carlsons Vitamin D3 drops for DD and I. Got that from vitacost I think...it's been awhile. You can also head over to the Traditional Foods forum there's a lot of info on there about CLO

I would avoid all the kid gummys, etc IMO opinion. Most have alot of unhealthy fillers and sugar. I guess there are decent brands but I want pure ya know
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Well we got our labs back for my dd's
8 yr old = 24 (30-80)
12 yr old = 41 (30-80)

How much should I give daily now do you think?
We're in Seattle.
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What exactly is "high vitamin cod liver oil?" What brands do you use? We use Ascenta NutraSea +D, because it is produced locally. It says it uses sardines, mackerel and anchovies, in addition to vitamin E and green tea extract. Dd won't take it, though. Is this different than cod liver oil? Is CLO better? Does anyone know a really good-tasting vitamin D supplement for kids? Is it okay if taken in a multivitamin? That way she'd get vitamin A, too. What about a really good tasting CLO? Can I mix CLO in something, like chocolate syrup as a pp mentioned? I do give dd 400 IU of a "gummy" vitamin D3 that she likes. I guess I could just give her more? And there's a gummy Omega-3, too. Is that better than nothing, if it's all she'll take? I have lots of questions about this!
As for CLO, I would go with a product from this company Green Pastures, they even have a chocolate cream version. I have no idea what it tastes like, my kids get a squirt of the raw, additive/flavor free CLO every morning.

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Well we got our labs back for my dd's
8 yr old = 24 (30-80)
12 yr old = 41 (30-80)

How much should I give daily now do you think?
We're in Seattle.
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What did your doctor recommend? 24 is really low. You were hoping for a minimum of 40 and hopefully 50. When I was at 24 (after supplementing with 5,000 IU for two months to get there) my doctor ordered 9,000 IU of D3 per day but I'm an adult. I would assume a child doesn't need as much to correct a deficiency. But you do want that corrected and fast. I wonder if the vitamin D council people could give advice for kids at her level. I'd try that. Supplement heavily (whatever is recommended but I'd assume above 1000 IU per 25 lbs. that she would likely need to maintain her current, too low, levels) and then retest her in a month or so. That way you can adjust dosing up or down. When you get her in the 50 range drop to a maintenance dose for a couple of months. Then test again to make sure she's ok.

The 12 year old isn't too bad. Again, I'm not sure what to recommend but you'd want maintenance and a bit more since you're in Seattle and sun source isn't good much longer if at all there I'd think.

I think you need to talk to someone who knows vitamin D and kids.
Our doctor told me to give my mid-40 level kids 2000 IU per day but they are 5, not 12.

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Where do y'all live who are supplementing? I'm in the sunny south and my kids are outside a lot so we haven't tested them. I do sometimes give them one of my D supplements and will probably add it to their supplements in the winter, but this time of year they get a lot of sun. I tested low last winter so I've been taking 2000 when I've not been in the sun.

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I'm in Texas. We've got health stuff going on, so we're doing the supplement first and then test in several months approach. I think I was probably very low, and educated guesswork says my 3yo is probably quite low too.

Here in Texas, right now we're rapidly decreasing the amount of vitamin D we can make. I mean, sure, it's better than, say, Wisconsin, but it's changing fast right now. I love this little calculator...

http://nadir.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt/VitD_quartMED.html

% skin uncovered is a big variable, I sent the kids out in swimsuits a lot more than I otherwise would've this summer.

If you tested low, do you have a guess as to why you were low? I'm white, but my health is, improving, let's say, so I think I was low partly because I used to burn easily in the midday sun and also because of my health. So that's why my younger child, in particular, is likely low.

But I will test us all sometime this fall, this one I feel is important enough that I want to get it right and I don't know of any really good indicators that I can see.
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Where do y'all live who are supplementing? I'm in the sunny south and my kids are outside a lot so we haven't tested them. I do sometimes give them one of my D supplements and will probably add it to their supplements in the winter, but this time of year they get a lot of sun. I tested low last winter so I've been taking 2000 when I've not been in the sun.
We're in Indiana. But I saw a study on those from Hawaii with heavy sun exposure and most were deficient (badly deficient). So it's more than sun. I think it's important enough that it's worth testing--if not now then in the winter.

You likely need way more than 2000 IU to correct a deficiency. Did you re-test to make sure your levels had corrected? I'd do that now.

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Tanya I think I remember you from the thyroid thread. I'm hypothyroid. That may have played into my low reading. I had to have my meds adjusted and was having low thyroid issues so I suggested they test the D, too. I think I had like a 25. It was mid-winter, though. I also have quite a bit of vitiligo and I don't know if that affects vitamin D production.

We only use sunscreen if we're going to the pool or the beach in mid-day. Otherwise I let the kids run around w/o it. We're white, but not pasty white except for DH and he's close. We're in NC.

Wow, I checked out your link. It's a bit over my head, but I looked up my latitude and longitude and checked it for a cloudless day in August w/ 50% of body exposed (shorts and a tank top?) and got that it would take 1 minute for type 2 skin (I guessed) to make 1000IU of vitamin D. That sounds pretty decent to me. For an overcast day in January it was nearly an hour.

I think I'll supplement in the winter, but continue to let them make their own in the summer. They go to a school where they're outside a lot every day rain or shine.

SBgrace, no I haven't retested yet. I'll try to get it done next time I go to the doc, but it seemed like I was going every other month there for awhile so I'm in no hurry to go back. They recommended 1000Ius. I found a good supplement at the HFS that I like and the kids do, too, and so does DH (lemon gummies). We also do CLO and try to eat a good amount of wild caught salmon. That's really interesting about the Hawaii study. Did they speculate why the test subjects were low? Diet?

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I interpret the results from the vitD calculator as support for high-dose supplementation. I mean--if I, as an adult, can easily make 10,000-20,000 IU on a summer day, and I don't think I'm going to OD that way, it adds credence to the arguments that what is considered high-dose supplementation is actually required to get and keep us in a good range. Since I'm not going to change my lifestyle to include several hours outside each day, plus good food sources (which I admit we lack).

I know I'm more comfortable with high-dose supplementation than most folks, but I'm taking 10,000/day for a while and then I'll test. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to overshoot the top of the range, but I *am* more comfortable with supplementation and the attendant risks than others are, so I know most would not choose to go so high.
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cool. I haven't heard of the test they use. Is that accurate?
I would hope that it's accurate. It seemed to be for my husband in comparing the test results from Grassroots to the previous test he got from his Dr.

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I'm in Texas. We've got health stuff going on, so we're doing the supplement first and then test in several months approach. I think I was probably very low, and educated guesswork says my 3yo is probably quite low too.

Here in Texas, right now we're rapidly decreasing the amount of vitamin D we can make. I mean, sure, it's better than, say, Wisconsin, but it's changing fast right now. I love this little calculator...

http://nadir.nilu.no/~olaeng/fastrt/VitD_quartMED.html

% skin uncovered is a big variable, I sent the kids out in swimsuits a lot more than I otherwise would've this summer.

If you tested low, do you have a guess as to why you were low? I'm white, but my health is, improving, let's say, so I think I was low partly because I used to burn easily in the midday sun and also because of my health. So that's why my younger child, in particular, is likely low.

But I will test us all sometime this fall, this one I feel is important enough that I want to get it right and I don't know of any really good indicators that I can see.
tanya-how do you know what number skin type you are?
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tanya-how do you know what number skin type you are?
I googled skin type cancer, the skin cancer people divide people up into groups based on how/whether they tan. But keep the number in mind, because it can change over time, the kids and I have all changed to a higher number this year (and I'm pretty white, so I was surprised that I changed).
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Not to hijack your thread but how much D should a 14m.o. be getting? I give 800Ius a day in water. Is that plenty?
Personally, I'd give 1,000 IU under one and 1,200 IU to 2,000 at age 1-2. My 29 month old who is 26 lbs (yes, he is a bean pole like his mom and dad were!) 1,600 IU per day. He gets pretty much zero Vit-D producing sun light.

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I'd like to ask a basic question if I could. Yesterday, I purchased some D3(Kal brand) 1000 iu. It says from cod liver oil on the back. Later in the day I went to another HFS to p/u some vitamins for my DS and the guy was telling me I need to supplement w vitamin A as well. Do I need to supplement with Vit A when taking the brand I am taking? Also, are there any vegetarian sources of D3? I guess I will let DH take these and buy a veg source for me unless they are not as good.
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We just got our dd's results back from her vitamin D test done. The dr. was concerned because it is so high! It's 253 ng/ml.
I'm a little freaked out...can anyone help?
We've been giving her her the 2000 iu's a day in D3 drops because that's what the Nature's Market guy said would be okay for her size and weight.
We haven't gotten our blood tests results back..we go to a different dr. but the last time we were tested we were all in the 20's and 30's...so we assumed our dd would be too!
She said to stop the drops and have her tested in 4-6 weeks again to make sure that she is normalizing...also wanting to check calcium and phospherous levels...
Anyone else have this?

I just read on the Vit. D council website that you should give 1000 iu per 25 pounds per body weight! So I've been giving her way to much...she only weighs 36 pounds. I should have checked what the guy told me...
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I've never heard of a vitD test coming back that high, so I'm not a lot of help. Given how much vitamin D people (even little people) can make in the sun, I'm surprised, but clearly stop the supp and re-test. I haven't read of long-term problems with vitamin D toxicity--clearly it's not something anyone should strive for, but I think you just stop the supp and let it trend down. I don't know if there's any reason it would go so high with what seems like a not-shockingly-unreasonable level of supplementation?

Ya know, supplementing vitamin A (even with a cod liver oil that has some D) would probably help the process of reducing the vitamin D level, when our bodies use vitamin A, they also use vitamin D, so you'll put it to good use as well. But if you didn't want to do a CLO, I'd consider another vitamin A supp for a while.
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