I've seen these around - does anyone take them, and why?
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I do this and I've found those people have benefited but also my growth in energy medicine has grown greatly because of this. I study much more actively this way.Originally Posted by Panserbjorne
yes! because issues are going to tend to pop up that have things in common. for instance if I were looking at dd's or dh's case, so much of their acute AND chronic stuff is reflected in their "constitutional" salts. It's hard to get away from it. Now, you can misinterpret the issues, use peripheral salts to manage them etc....but when you look at the WHOLE picture there's no question they are calc fluor. Now, if you don't have a really deep understanding of the cell salts, here's what might happen...you may say, well....they need calc fluor for x, y, z, but he also needs calc phos, kali phos and nat phos. She clearly needs silica based on x, y, z. She probably would do well with kali mur too. And if you gave them, they would likely help. BUT, if you looked at the real boring nerdy stuff (lol from the FE thread!) you'd quickly see that what you ascribed to silica or kali mur has significant crossover with calc fluor. And if you just gave that, you would get just as far, maybe even further, faster.
Really, they're a perfect modality because they're hard to get wrong! It takes more skill to hone in on things but you can still stumble along and have great results! So, to answer the question from before...yes. focus on what's in front of you. that's going to shift continuously and patterns are going to emerge. as long as you pay attention to those patterns you're going to get pretty far.
I'd recommend as you read through the books, keep a page for each individual you are thinking about. when you come across a symptom that stands out for someone, write in on their page. The more you lay things out in front of you, the more a remedy is going to start emerging.
one thing i've noticed is that i do better with it if i'm reading different things. seems like everyone has a different take, and sometimes it just takes one person's slightly different wording on something to make you go--ah! ah-HA! NOW i get it!
yes, this. that's part of what i've been getting at with the NA flowers...... or like what you said about walnut/aspen vs yarrow.
actually, it's not all that confusing... except for one thing i've been wondering....... you say you found your dominant miasm. now, i believe you, BUT i have this thing with that. how do you really know? i've read a little about them, and when people write these amazing stories of recovery, there's always this "and now, we're down to the REAL miasm"... and i always want to say-- but how can you know that? is it because of health restored? because, cant there always be something deeper?Originally Posted by Panserbjorne
well, in my case I've been under classical treatment for 15 plus years. I've had many practitioners chasing a remedy that was going to help. None ever did for me on a constitutional level. Until a little over a year ago. I started taking a remedy on my own (which I never did for anything other than an acute) because I was fed up with things not working and because I had facial analysis done that narrowed things down. Once I knew my dominant miasm for sure, I knew the remedy and it was one that no one had ever given me. So I started taking it and it changed my life completely. I had some very deep stuff that it touched and shifted that was not subjective at all and has been clinically verified. If I lapse, I regress. If I'm taking my remedy I don't need to wear my glasses, which I've worn since toddlerhood. If I'm off it, my headaches return and glasses are necessary-especially if I'm tired. that's one example. I have had over a dozen surgeries on my eyes starting at 5 months of age. I NEVER would have expected that homeopathy could touch this. But it did. So, because my pathology is so deep and so old I do continue to take the remedy. However if I wasn't building the foundation with cell salts I think I'd be on it for pretty much the rest of my life-there is a lot of trauma to undo. With the salts I can go for a few weeks without taking it and I suspect that sometime this year I'll be able to give it up-at least for very long stretches of time.
I think building with the salts is better for most! I just didn't have anyone that ever did that with me. That was something I finally woke up to and realized was necessary-and to be fair, in my case it was a fairly obvious correlation. It won't always be. But for you, if you were taking silica 30c you might have deeper, more profound changes more quickly (maybe) but the silica salt is allowing you to go slowly and really integrate things. It's not a great idea to take a homeopathic remedy long term without a practitioner, mainly because it's hard to evaluate yourself-for anyone! It's fine to use them as needed, and when you get sick you may find that silica in potency gets the job done really fast....but you are also going to be primed to heal because of your use of the salts.
I know this is confusing, and I'm sorry! There are a lot of layers here and again, you are only getting my perspective and feedback which is all based on my experiences. Someone else may have a totally different take that could be equally as valid. Does that make sense?
so firstly for clarification purposes, silica is a remedy, not a miasm. A miasm is what you came into the world with and is fairly intertwined with genetics, or epigenetics, as the case may be. For our purposes, and based on this part of my training, silica belongs to the brown or "cancer" miasm (dont' freak out...the miasms have terrible names.) It's a combination of equal dominance in inward, outward and circular energy. If you had all of those equally present on your face then it's possible that it is your true constitutional remedy. However if you are circular dominant, you could still be helped by silica....quite a bit. But it would not be likely to be YOUR remedy.Originally Posted by aweynsayl
is it because of health restored? because, cant there always be something deeper?
ok, here's where i am going with this on a personal level..... when i was one, i had a fairly serious illness. one that relates, intriguingly, very very nicely with silica. it was an inhalation of renovation dust (quite possibly, silicates? ha.). and some spores--which lead to something called valley fever. which can leave people after with a basically life long weakened state. (i should add that, i was born one month early, although supposedly in excellent health when i was born.) would it be too ironic if silica was actually also my constitutional before that illness..... or, might not all this (centaury,silica) be a..... what would you call it? not-true miasm? but something that resulted because of this illness at the age of one............ and my "true miasm" is burried somewhere beneath that?
that's one of the things I love about him. there's no ego block. he's possibly one of the most brilliant people I've met, but he is incredibly down to earth. He doesn't believe that he's "better" or "smarter" than anyone. Sadly, he doesn't like cell salts!
well, purely on a gut level, i am totally a brown. and silica and centaury are certainly key for me, if not "constitutional"... fwiw, i did take the face wizard, and came up as brown. i laughed after, that i spent all that time doing something when i already "knew" the answer....Originally Posted by Panserbjorne
..but what does that mean in the real world? Are there layers? Do they change? Do different things get revealed as you dig? Or is it constant? Is it a layer of disease, or is it something totally different? A way your body/mind/spirit compensates under stress?
Now, I love miasms so I've studied them ad nauseaum. I don't know all there is to know. However there is a definition that had the ring of truth to me. A miasm is how your body handles stress and how it expresses creativity. It is a cellular memory that is held by the collective unconscious and there is evidence that dated back through recorded history.
The miasm is your energy and how you interface with the world. There are three different directions of energy, and you can be dominant in one, or multiple directions, but we all have all of them. The dominance is displayed on your face (for very good reason) and it does not change. It's who you are in the world and will define how you process and interpret things. It will also give a clue as to your personality, your strengths and weaknesses.
this makes so much more sense to me, intuitively, than what i was reading. i wont express it as well as i'd like, but it was feeling like what i was reading was saying-- diseases were so big and so disruptive that you were literally a different person with them, and if you treated the miasm of that illness, you would be healed, and be you again (in other words, even if you healed from the illness, the miasm of the illness was still affecting you, unless you treated that). the thought of the illness i had at the age of one doing that to me was.... well, compelling, but disturbing. lol.
now i'm going to try to relate that to what we talk about with FEs, of "peeling layers".... only, i'm not even sure how to ask it..... ok, maybe i'm not going to relate it to that. *sigh* i'll get there. i can feel that it's a different thing, but my mind had been trying to link them, so it will take a while for my mind to change its.... uh, mind. lol.
..... More shocking is the fact that during a seminar where in a room of 100 homeopaths taking a case, often you'll have 60-70 remedy selections, and in this system with 100 homeopaths working a case you have 2-3. It makes things that precise.
This changed the way I practice and what I love about it is that there's nothing to be "fixed." I never really believed there was. There's just ways a person reacts under stress that can be supported. Once a remedy is chosen that is aligned with the dominant energy system it can go deeper and is more likely to be that constitutional remedy. Theory is all well and good, but the reason this shines is because it actually translates into practice. Anyway, just another perspective, but I am quite confident that miasms, if you define them this way, do not change. But, as I said, there are many definitions of miasms. For me, I tend to look for what works, and this system does.
i love the not to be fixed, as well. i was talking with someone about FEs, and that came up..."am i broken?" they asked. this feels much better, and nicely inline, too, with FEs, in that sense.
under this, then... does one take a constitutional all the time, or just when one "needs" it...??
i think what i was reading was basically saying you take one "constitutional" to heal your miasm, then once that peels away, you find your new miasm, take a remedy for that... and so on.... i could be misreading it, but that was how it seemed to be coming across... which is a thought so.... undless... it's dispiriting.
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so firstly for clarification purposes, silica is a remedy, not a miasm. (right, got that) A miasm is what you came into the world with and is fairly intertwined with genetics, or epigenetics, as the case may be. For our purposes, and based on this part of my training, silica belongs to the brown or "cancer" miasm (dont' freak out...the miasms have terrible names.) It's a combination of equal dominance in inward, outward and circular energy. If you had all of those equally present on your face then it's possible that it is your true constitutional remedy. However if you are circular dominant, you could still be helped by silica....quite a bit. But it would not be likely to be YOUR remedy.
And yes, there is always going to be something deeper...but you aren't ever likely to change how you manage in health, in disease, in happiness or in grief. You will always be you, it's just a matter of what kind of stress you are under. For instance if process stress a certain way, you're likely to always process it in that way...but what stresses you, or the level of stress required to push you to that point, could change.
If your body is dominant in circular energy and likes to trap and encapsulate that has physical/mental and emotional ramifications. In health, you wouldn't see symptoms necessarily, but you'd have a person who was family oriented, fostered growth, liked to create things. This is archetypally the farmer, the person who is most tuned in to fertility or the land, animals etc. In disease you can see tumors, cysts, warts, mucus, asthma, anxiety, panic, communication issues, a detachment from others as a result. etc. A person dominant in circular energy is going to have patterns of balance or imbalance that follow that circular energy and will look different from a person with dominant outward energy. Does that make sense? YES, you can have things that are deeper, but they will follow that pattern.
that last bit really helps. and makes much more sense in my gut, than what i'd been reading.
but.... i'm getting confused... is cancer/brown dominant in circular energy or equal in all three?
So for health being restored? No, I wouldn't say it is really defined in that way. Being able to rebuild is more like it. You are the product of your life's experiences, so you won't go backward. You will integrate fully and become a more functional human being with less pathology and more creative ability.
no, i like that so much better. like i said, what i was reading was really talking in a very different way, and really had it as someone's health being restored (after treating a "false"(?) miasm), and therefore they were now able to see the "real" miasm. (in otherwords, the "real" miasm was blocked by the illness-- and so, presenting a "false" one.... so, removing the illness "restored" that person to their true miasm.) this could maybe be more confusing if we tried hard, lol.
And my theory is that centaury is also "brown." so silica and centaury likely belong to the same miasm
hmmm.... do they maybe not fit his groupings as well? have you personally figured out which cell salts correspond to each of his maisms? or is it not quite that simple? (i love simple things, in case you hadnt figured that out, lol)
I have some and put in an order for more through BestMade. There is only one distributor in the US and he's sold out, but should have new stock coming in in the next few months. YAY for that! You can email me if you want more information. I love those giant bottles.Originally Posted by aweynsayl
hmmm.... do they maybe not fit his groupings as well? have you personally figured out which cell salts correspond to each of his maisms? or is it not quite that simple? (i love simple things, in case you hadnt figured that out, lol)
ETA: oh, and, if one wanted to get the bottle of 50,000 cell salts, where would one find them? i looked on 1-800, and they just have 500.
yes there would be value in it. in fact, that is sort of the way my mentor does homeopathic prescribing. we address the immediate symptoms with a remedy, in the hopes that it will reveal something deeper. he doesn't necessarily do one remedy at a time. he uses remedies intercurrently - meaning one week you might have a 30C potency of one remedy; the next week (or two) later, you would have a 30C remedy of a related but different remedy. then he'd move to a higher potency of both remedies. each time, however, it is a wait-and-see-then-reassess approach. he's also very intuitive about it (or maybe it's experience? he's been a homeopath for well over 25 years).Originally Posted by sunnysandiegan
Would there be value in working my way from the most acute issues (as they occur) to the most aggravating issues (as they come to the surface) to the more subtle issues that linger in the back of my mind?
I may or may not hit on the "remedy" in this process and I am okay with that. Ultimately, all of this is a process of self-discovery, which I value regardless of the outcome.
Awesome! Thank you!Originally Posted by Panserbjorne
to rebuild, in this context, would be to reduce the stress (via the correct remedy) so that you weren't working against a stress response. once that resistance is eliminated, healing can happen.
The only book out there is called Soul and Survival by Grant Bentley. It was written for people who wanted to understand the basic concepts. It's fascinating. There's some stuff online, but it's not great. I didn't realize the depth of the system until I started working with him. The book is quite riveting though.
This is an article on Homeopathic Facial Analysis:
http://www.homeorizon.com/homeopathic-articles/materia-medica/face-reading
and some free seminars:
http://soulandsurvival.org/content/grant-bentley-seminars
I have found it to be extremely useful and Grant was probably one of my best, if not the best teacher I had for homeopathy. I worked several cases alongside him and was always delighted to see the concepts play out, as they continue to in my practice.